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Sun Aug-21-05 11:17 AM
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On MTP: Trent Lott lets slip that Bush was planning the Iraq war in 2001? |
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Did anyone else see this? Did anyone record it? Did Trent Lott Just Let The Cat Out Of The Bag?by Larry Bailey Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 11:24:13 EDT
Watching Meet The Press just now, with Trent Lott on (to talk a bit about his new book, "Herding Cats"). Lott appeared to forget momentarily about one of the cats and admitted that he had "private conversations with George Bush", "going back to just after 9/11" in which Bush talked about Iraq in way that would indicate Bush was already (at that early date) planning his War On Iraq. Those watching MTP will have noticed how he appeared to realize what he was saying too late, and started the back-step.
We here know the truth of that period, but formal recognition of it from one of their own would finally give the lie (for others out there) to all of the protestations from Bush, et al., that he had sincerely pursued a peaceful resolution of the WMD issue with Saddam, that he had given the inspections time to work, etc.
If we don't write/yell/demand that the MSM pursue this with more questions to Lott about when, where, and how strongly he got the message that war was imminent, they will not even notice this little slip-up.
Let's go to work.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:18 AM
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:21 AM
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3. The obvious leaks from the constant drip, drip, drip but far too many are |
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:30 AM
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6. That's why I talk loudly about Bushler in the grocery store line, etc. |
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I don't give a shit who it offends because I have family in harms way. :mad:
Last night, when I was Barnes and Noble, I saw a troglodyte shooting daggers at me as I was giving a civics lesson to a teenager. I raised my voice a little more and said, "Bush supporters are too cowardly to enlist for the war they support," etc. I watched his face turn red as I walked straight toward him and stared at him like, "go ahead, make my day." I noticed others smiling as I passed by. :)
I am now carrying a copy of enlistment papers wherever I go. ;)
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:36 AM
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If you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
I have a cousin over there as well, army, stationed in Fallujah.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:39 AM
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I don't know where he is now, but he was all over Iraq... last I heard was Mosel. :scared: :mad: :cry: :grr:
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:42 AM
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14. It is a very scary feeling. |
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He is on his second tour, originally was in Baghdad protecting the green zone, but now is in Fallujah.
Everytime I hear of soldiers being killed, my heart stops. Even though we have been lucky enough so far, I weep for those who haven't.
Good thoughts to your cousin, Swamp Rat.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:48 AM
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:hug: He's on his second tour also. Last I heard, he might be forced into a third tour, so he applied for a transfer from the Army to the Air Force. I really hope it works. :(
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Sun Aug-21-05 03:13 PM
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A quick and safe return. My cousin came home from Mosul in a body bag. :(
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Sun Aug-21-05 10:44 PM
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:50 PM
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27. are enlistment forms available online? i googled |
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but did not find any forms. i would like to have some on hand.
tia
ellen fl
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:59 PM
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29. Here's a link for enlistment forms: |
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Sun Aug-21-05 10:46 PM
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46. Here's a direct link to enlistment forms (pdf) |
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:59 PM
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30. Wow! That's fantastic! I hope there were a lot of people on line. n/t |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 01:03 PM by Talismom
:yourock: I just printed off the enlistment papers and will be doing the same! Thanks!
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:20 AM
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2. Guess they will need to "swiftboat" Lott now -- |
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Obviously he is "disgruntled" and has an "ax to grind" with this very "popular president"
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:22 AM
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4. how did they respond when Paul O'Neill came out with his book |
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I know they smeared him, but how did they respond to O'Neill's account of Iraq meetings right after Bush took office? Did they flatly deny it, did they dodge it?
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:31 AM
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8. I think the Bush/Rove MO is to attack the |
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messenger and stonewall whatever the issue is. They totally ignore the issue.
It has worked up to now for many people, but not me.
I grew up in the segregated south and that was the technique used to maintain segregation. Anyone who presented facts that segregation was not a good thing was ridiculed. Anyone who appealed to a person's religious feelings was accused of being a communist or a communist sympathizer (Martin Luther King Jr.). Anyone who appealed to feelings of equality was accused of being promiscuous (all African Americans and most Jewish people and the few whites who were sympathetic to them).
Most people just learned to shut down their minds and go along with the "white power structure."
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:33 AM
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11. They ignored it, and the MSM took its cue from Rove and ignored it too. |
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With the MSM in its pocket, the rogue Shrub maladministration has the luxury of simply not responding so the public, for the most part, just forgets about whatever it was Rove wants them to forget about. That's why films like Farenheit 9-11 are so valuable.
If the MSM was really on top of every one of the dozens and dozens of Shrub scandals during the past 4.7 years, the cacophany would be deafening, and if Congress had any guts, it would have impeached him long ago.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:22 PM
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they focused on him being a disgruntled former official, and also that some of the documents may have been classfied... they were not, but that was the smokescreen they used!
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:27 AM
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5. Oh no! They're gonna have to kill him now! |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 11:28 AM by Independent_Liberal
Look out Lott! Don't get on any planes!
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:30 AM
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7. Another Thing I noticed...... |
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was Lott's mouth would say Yes, but his head would shake NO. Numerous times he was asked questions and he always gave a kiss up too Bush while his body language (shaking his head No)said he was against it.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:04 PM
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18. I noticed EXACTLY the same thing...but I probably would have forgotten |
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about it had you not brought it up. He appeared angry and bitter about both B* and Frist, regardless of what his voice box retorted.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:32 AM
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9. Trent Has Stepped on So Many Toes with This Book |
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He might as well quit or else come on over.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:33 AM
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10. Why do I get the feeling that it was no mistake on Trent Lott's part? |
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I think that Lott is a revengeful man and still bitter enough about his dethroning to undermine Bush. Bushco always circles the wagons around members of the inner sanctum. So the fact that they let Lott twist in the wind, has got to be a pretty impossible pill for him to swallow.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:24 PM
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21. I wondered abut the same thing |
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He was more cautious in his dagger throwing at shrub, but exposed a little more on his feelings on frist.
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:42 AM
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15. So, Trent, the great communicator, knew. Why didn't our Dem leaders |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 11:43 AM by higher class
know that it was staged and why did they go along with it?
I can't write more - I am still raving angry at Clinton, Shirmer, Kerry, Edwards and many, many more.
It's time to repeat -
Paul Wellstone =
First vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 1
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 2
Good job, Paul. We still need more leaders like you were to us.
Some people are more truthful and have more guts than others.
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:00 PM
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31. dems in both house and senate have been denied being in meetings |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 01:00 PM by seabeyond
it is recorded from very early on in the bush administration. one of the very loud signals that things are incredibly wrong with bush administration, that hasnt outraged the american people as it should. the house has been much more outrageous in this practice of abusing their power, and yet, the american people dont know or hear or care
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:06 PM
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34. You're so right about Wellstone! But for now we have to be the leaders |
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that our leaders can't seem to be, while working to replace them.
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Sun Aug-21-05 05:32 PM
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42. Yes, I agree. We must lead our leaders. n/t |
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Sun Aug-21-05 11:44 AM
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That is newsworthy. Sort of validates the DSM and the other books aboutthe matter.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:22 PM
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20. You go, Lottie! Remember how mean they were to you? Take |
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them down, one by one. We'll be here taking notes.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:30 PM
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22. I think George went into the election in 2000 with this in mind. |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 12:53 PM by MissMarple
The neocons had been trying to get the U.S. involved since at least the early 90's.
And I love your cat pic. My daughter's cats love wine, you have to keep you eye on your glass!
Edit: didn't use spell check. :)
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:40 PM
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25. The dim son, in his 50ties is still trying to prove himself to his poppy. |
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 12:42 PM by Ernesto
"Honest dad, I am a real man. I'm not the lazy daddy-bought loser that I appear to be. Just watch me march into Baghdad."
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:33 PM
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23. How the hell did this make the Greatest page? |
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:01 PM
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33. Surprise!!! It happens. |
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but clear back when Prez Clinton was in office the big-wigs in the current admin. sent a letter begging him to invade Iraq. They've wanted to invade for war-profiteering for God knows how long. Bringing freedom and Democracy is just a re-frame to justify their big oil grab and military-industrial complex exploits of a poor backward country. They don't give a rip about the Iraqi people or our troops. Human beings are pawns for pure gain in their so called 'Culture of Life' misnomer. All my e-mail letters to my dear Rebup legislators come back with 100% support of this corrupt bunch of carpet bagger rat-f-er's. It's always refereed to as the 'SO CALLED' Downing Street Memo...no matter which Senator or Congressman answers my complaint. At least I feel like I have a voice here at DU. This place keeps me from imploding with a mini-mental breakdown. I love you guys for being informed and speaking out about the injustice of it all. At least we know and support each other in our frustration about being blown off and ignored. We will look back and know we tried to make a difference. I know I'm preaching to the choir...but this is my steam valve...ssssstttttttssss ppppffffffttt wwwooosssshhhhh
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:45 PM
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26. It's already DOCUMENTED! The people of the U.S. don't give a shit. |
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The Downing Street Memos haven't been DENIED.
Bob Woodward's book and those of others document this. It was never DENIED.
The USers know this and they don't care.
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Sun Aug-21-05 12:56 PM
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28. What was Wes Clark's final statement on being called right after it? |
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He said that he was called on either the 11th or 12th by someone or ones in the administration to get him to help pin it on Iraq, since he was working for CNN at the time. If I recall, he backed away from the story a little, but not completely.
No, this isn't a dig at Clark, I think he just moderated his language a bit so it didn't sound like they were trying to stampede him to lie, but it would be interesting to know just how it went down. It would also be interesting to know who it was.
It's obvious as hell that Junior wanted to stomp Hussein for a long time before he got the biggest all-purpose excuse any little boy could ever want.
Taken together, though, these statements by O'Neill (which predates 9-11 by almost eight months) and others really point out the big lie, which is that he hadn't made up his mind to use the military no matter what. Circumstantial evidence works best when there is all sorts of it coming from numerous sources.
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:00 PM
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32. These drops are becoming larger and larger |
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:08 PM
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35. this was NO SLIP!!!! Gregory asked him about it specifically; it was IN |
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HIS BOOK....
I haven't read anything but the headers here, so I dunno if this has been discussed
the disgusting part of this is that it's in the BOOK, and AFAIK, nobody has brought it up, aside from MTP
how long has the book been out?
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Sun Aug-21-05 03:37 PM
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NO SLIP
And he's really pissed at Frist
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:12 PM
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36. Doesn't matter. It won't change anything |
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Most people who see through Bush's bullshit already know that the war is a lie and that they were planning it for a long time.
And the people who haven't realized that yet won't be swayed by this. They will just have it explained to them by Rush and OhReally that "Of course Bush discussed attacking Iraq after 9/11, Saddam was a terrorist!". And the dittoheads will be impressed with all the "hard work" Bush had to do to make those decisions.
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Sun Aug-21-05 01:16 PM
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38. Who wants to invent the truth stick/billy club? |
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41. It was planned WAY before that |
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News Flash! Millions were not fooled by the lies of the Bush Regime and neither were all Dems in Congress.
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Sun Aug-21-05 07:34 PM
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44. Lott lets nothing "slip". |
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This was a shot across the bow.
The Bush Crime Family screwed him. It's payback to Bush, and Frist as well.
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