I take it many of you didn't like "Dead Wrong"

[CatWoman]

Me, I've learned to take what I can get.

A year ago, would CNN have aired this?


Tho Tenet was the fall guy, it was Bush who took this country into war.

I believe they made that quite clear.

[radio4progressives]

1. It capped off the show giving the WH a pass and putting the entire blame

on the CIA.

That fact was very disappointing, but not unexpected.

[Not_Giving_Up]

4. It made it very clear that Tenet took the fall for the WH

A lot of good info was put out there, this is a good thing!!

[txindy]

13. That was my take on it, too

That Tenet took the blame to protect Junior and his thugs.

People expect too much and for it to be delivered all at once. Not only will that not happen, but the general public would turn it off, if it did. Too confusing. Too much to process. The groundwork has been laid. Now we need to go out and start filling in the gaps for these people. Those that saw this show will be much more receptive to new information now.

[Not_Giving_Up]

22. Exactly

Think about how long we've been digging and reading on this very topic. At some point, every one of has (or will be) overwhelmed. It makes your head spin to learn of everything that goes on while most of the people sleep. CNN has just made the alarm clock go off for the sleeping people.

CNN: "Wake up, look what's been happening!"
Sleeping person: "Holy shit! How did I not know about this? How did they do that? :wtf: "

Once they get over the initial shock, they can learn a little more.

I live in Brazoria County, TX. It is FULL of sleeping people, but some are starting to wake up. Be patient, and think about how long it has taken you to absorb this information. It's even harder for someone who's been drinking the kool-aid until now.

[txindy]

35. The timing of this show is also quite interesting

This aired right before Junior skips off to Idaho for his five day 'Iraq911TerraTerraTerraFest'. Not to mention only a few weeks before 9/11/05 and the **gag me** "Freedom March" in DC. It's as if the general public is being inoculated against what is to come - protecting them from the coming propaganda deluge. (Although I suspect CNN will more than contribute its own share during that time.)

Those sleeping people (Great description, BTW!) need to be made aware of the protest in DC on 9/24. With a month to prepare and a lot of new info. to digest, this documentary was well-timed to get many more outraged and disillusioned people involved in DC on that day.

[CatWoman]

39. Even Newsweek's "Conventional Wisdom"

gave him a thumbs down for continuing to peddle that blatant lie.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9024520/site/newsweek/

[txindy]

56. Very interesting! Junior won't read that, though, so prepare for more

I can hear it now, "9/11TerraTerraIraqIraqFreedom9/11IraqIranTerraTerraIran9/11!!!"

This'll give him the chance to slip in a few mentions of Iran in his usual 9/11/WarOnTerra/Iraq drumbeat. Before he slips it in permanently.

[CatWoman]

5. I don't agree

they drew a pretty good picture, IMO.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. You're absolutely right.

No, they didn't lay out every last stitch of dirty laundry. But they did put out enough to do the job. We aren't trying to turn everyone into PNAC buffs here. It's enough that the general populace, who are really pretty unfamiliar with all this stuff, begin to see how badly they been had.

They don't need chapter & verse, they just need the executive summary: Bushco lied to get us into a preemptive war. The program delivered.

[H2O Man]

71. Exactly.

You have to speak the language that people understand in order to communicate. The general public is not going to comprehend the regional dialect spoken on DU. If the program attempted to communicate in that tongue, the general public would not have understood a word of it, and worse, would have thought it was nonsense and turned to Fox.

[goclark]

7. I'm shocked they went that far

They didn't have to air it at all.
But they did.

Even if they want to make Tenet the fall guy,this is not good IMO for the WH.

It doesn't take a brain scientist to tell that it went all the way to Bush.

[CatWoman]

9. me too!!!!!

i nearly fainted!!!

:hi:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Agreed. Maybe it didn't go as far as many of us would have liked,

but it's a start, a foot in the door. A year ago CNN wouldn't have touched the topic with a ten-foot pole. I think we should write to them, thank them for their reporting and encourage them to do more of it -- and to keep digging, a whole lot deeper. Even though they've covered only the tip of the iceberg, at least they've finally admitted that there IS an iceberg.

[WiseButAngrySara]

47. If DU is aware of the 'iceberg' don't you think MSM is and has been

aware of at LEAST as much? That is their job!! and this makes them just as guilty! Why do they wait until now? They have blood on their hands as well. I'm glad the truth is starting to 'trickle out' but the inclusion of Halliburton profits, and all of the other war profiteers, who so urgently lied us into this war, needs to be presented along with these other facts. Juries can 'connect the dots!' And juries are the American people, whose sons and daughters have been dying; this is not Aruba, or Scott Peterson, or OJ Simpson here. Hundreds of thousands have been killed or wounded, and terrorism has increased. This is criminal, and I think that the MSM should be held responsible as accomplices in crime.

[FreedomAngel82]

68. Michael Moore knew about all this last year in his movie!

And they said awful things about him etc. I think everybody who said anything mean about him deserves to apologize.

[WiseButAngrySara]

73. Couldn't agree with you more FreedomAngel! But they're still trying

to demonize MM...CNN reports that Cindy Sheehan is a friend of Mich. Moore, and is sponsored by MoveOn.org! These slugs have to slander the bearers of truth, because the real truth is so unpalatabe, * would loose even his so-called base of support.

[babylonsister]

3. Who didn't like it? I loved it! It was a real news

program with facts and knowledgeable people to back it up. Enlightening, and about time. I was speechless that it was so honest. Anyone thinking any person in this admin came out smellin' like a rose is, I think, delusional. CNN deserves kudos from us all; if we give them, maybe they will continue to report the truth.

[CatWoman]

8. there's several negative threads

right here in this forum.

[wli]

34. it's not that it wasn't damning, but that it wasn't damning enough n/t

[PatriotGames]

6. Your right. Gotta take what we can get. Maybe this will get other networks

to air critical reports.

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

10. It spelled it out that Tenet was the one who took the fall....

It said in other words, that Tenet was blamed, but he was NOT responsible....

Its a 50/50 split basically. I'm going to write to CNN and encourage them to get even more agressive, start getting underneath all the lies....And applaud them for going at least this far.

[Blue_Roses]

11. yeah, it did plant seeds

they did take some baby steps tonight. I just wish they would get off of the blaming Tenent --while he was a player, he wasn't the one who wanted this war.

[jonnyblitz]

I only saw part of the show but was still surprised at what

was discussed. I was expecting much less and was going to just ignore it until i started reading posts from people who watched the first showing at 8pm eastern time. I thought it plainly showed that Tenet was the fall guy just like you said and this is DAMNING.

[CatWoman]

15. "Tenet was the fall guy, as is the practice in Washington"

but HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE. :thumbsup:

[jonnyblitz]

27. it was like watching Frontline on PBS...

that was radical for CNN, IMHO. i guess this shows how little I expect.

[Catrina]

64. That's exactly what I thought

I had to keep checking it was CNN and not PBS' Frontline!! For the hour they had to put everything into, and since it is the first time truth has been introduced as part of its programming, it was excellent, imo.

They basically said that the WH 'wanted bad news'. Sen. Durbin said that Tenet, if he couldn't give the truth to the WH, should have resigned.

They are sparing Colin Powell by allowing that maybe he didn't get the right intel, (I believe he knew they were lying, but used Tenet to make it look like he was just getting info from the CIA). But maybe Powell is going to talk, and he needs credibility to be effective. I'll take that, if the real culprits are held accountable. He's like the collaborator who makes a deal with the prosecutor.

Powell's aide said 'this was the low point in my life. I wish I had never been involved in it'.

And the show also made it clear that the WH didn't want 'information', they wanted 'ammunition'!!!

They also said that Cheney and Tenet had been asked to appear on the show. Both refused and Tenet is not talking at all to anyone. I think indictments are about to be handed down.

Tenet was always puzzling to me. I used to watch him in the run up to the war, and sometimes before Congress, he gave me hope, other times, he seemed to contradict himself.

I don't know why he didn't quit!! I wonder was he threatened, or was it so important to him to be part of the Bush circle? It didn't last long! Anyone who gets involved with that family is tainted!!

But the show, imo, was excellent ~ for a change!

[Journeyman]

12. Haven't seen it yet, but it sounds promising. . .

even if Tenet is shown as the fallguy, it's only one viewpoint: there may hopefully be others, and perhaps we'll establish a true discussion, and from it what passes for the truth may yet emerge.

I agree with you, Catwoman -- a year ago this wouldn't have been aired. Now we're seeing a lot of little moments such as this. It may portend more changes to come.

Have to keep whistling Dylan -- for the times do seem a'changing.

[otohara]

14. Mostly Consisted of Interviews w/ Dissenters of War

or those who were concerned about their march to war. I was pleasantly surprised.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. It was a good first step

I'm not going to say it was exactly what I would have dreamed for, but it was groundbreaking.

I'm still shocked that they said the things they did say.

[CatWoman]

19. Colin Powell was shown to be a tool

who knew he was feeding bullshit to the UN.

At least they highlighted the fact that it was all bullshit, even though at the time, it sold the war.

[Lars39]

25. But he tried so hard!

[CatWoman]

28. I hope that haunts him the rest of his natural life.

[Lars39]

Hope so, too.

Glad cnn showed him up. I still run across folks that thinks he's AOK.
:banghead:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. And I hope he lives to he 100

May he be plagued by nightmares of the dead and maimed that he caused every night of his long, long life.

[oasis]

48. Colin: "I have to live with that"....damn right.

:grr:

[FogerRox]

63. Powel helped cover up massacres in the Americal division

in I think it was 1967 NAM

[Spazito]

I thought it was quite good, for CNN

There was a lot of good information in the special, there were details they didn't cover like the Niger forgery, etc, but, given it was only an hour, I think people who aren't right into the facts like DUers will find it an eye opener.

[XOKCowboy]

18. The RWers believe CNN is part of The Liberal Media

This will only strengthen their opinion. I'm hoping that it is a start that the MSM will finally start airing programs that show the B*** administration up for their lies but I'm not holding my breath.

[CatWoman]

20. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4418629

[XOKCowboy]

23. LOL Exactly my point.

We can only hope that those that don't scour the net for their news watched it and saw something they've never seen before. It was a start.

[Proud_Lefty]

21. I was pretty happy

When I told my husband we had to watch it, he asked why. He said we know that the administration will blame the CIA and never take responsibility, so that's what I expected. They did spell out that certain intelligence that was ruled out and delivered to the administration as such was then spearheaded by Cheney with just the opposite. Then it went on to show Rumsfeld, Rice and Bushy Boy following suit. I thought it clearly spelled out how they took information and flatly lied to congress and the people. Of course, for me, this has become expected from this White House and there will always be fools who just can't get it no matter what.

[Autonomy]

24. I kept thinking two things

One was why didn't they have the balls to say this in 2003? The other was why didn't they have the balls to say this in 2004?

I mean, damn, is our free press now poll-watching like politicians, testing the weather to see when it's safe to report the news?

[CatWoman]

26. I think the same reason Cindy wants another meeting with *

so much has come out these past two years.

[Autonomy]

29. C'mon

I knew all the stuff on this program the moment it occured -- a year, two years, three years ago. Tenet, Powell, all of it. I am not all that smart and don't have any inside info. The MSM just chickened out of reporting the news and opted to spread disinformation instead.

[CatWoman]

37. I'm just trying to be gracious

cut me some slack :D

Hell, those assholes had to be dragged kicking and screaming just to REPORT on the DSM.

[Autonomy]

40. I don't have any slack

but here's a snack for ya!

:donut: :P

[txindy]

46. It turns out that at least some of these interviews are nearly a year old.

It turns out that these interviews (or some of them) were done LAST FALL! Here's an email from Larry Johnson to someone of the Daily Kos:

Larry Johnson's Response to my e-mail

Elveta, Thanks. CNN did the best they could. They were so nervous about this program that they required everyone who was interviewed to come in a view the program and confirm they were accurately quoted and that they stood by their quotes. Pretty amazing. I did those interviews last Fall. LJ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/21/205218/731

I still think the show was amazing and they are to be commended for it, HOWEVER, I'd love to know who has been sitting on it since last fall and the precise reason it was released now. I do like the timing because it'll help negate a great deal of potentially positive reaction to Junior's coming five day 'TerraFest', but I'd really like to know what CNN's reasoning was.

[CatWoman]

49. and why did'nt the Bush Gangstas give interviews for this special?

the narrator made it quite clear that they all declined.

COWARDS!!!

But that's not their style -- they will just sic Rush, Hannity and the Swift Boaters on CNN.

And I don't blame CNN being careful, considering what those criminal assholes did to Dan Rather.

[txindy]

55. Oh, absolutely. They should've been EXTREMELY careful

But that's just my point: Why NOW? What was the deciding factor? I'm thrilled that they did! I just would like to know what brought this documentary out of the vault and onto the airwaves.

I'll live if I don't find out the answer, I'm sure. ;) But it makes me very curious as to what is transpiring behind the scenes.

[CatWoman]

57. someone posted a theory

that Bush seems determined to invade Iran, and come hell or high water, someone has to stop him and expose this administrations evil actions.

also, the Rove situation.

The grand jury wraps up in October.

Indictments are expected.

[txindy]

60. I'll take those reasons, particularly if they involve Fitzgerald

And, off the subject, your cats never fail to crack me up - esp. Trinity! Maddy's grinning frog with Bob Novak's teeth, on the other hand, creeps me out.

;)

[ribrepin]

65. Just a thought

I still think the show was amazing and they are to be commended for it, HOWEVER, I'd love to know who has been sitting on it since last fall and the precise reason it was released now.



Robert Novak has been suspended-first thing I thought of when I read your post. Just free thought association.

[WiseButAngrySara]

75. Interesting...I've wondered about CNN Novak events too.

Why was the weekend show cancelled when it was (Can't remember the name ?Crossfire? with Marg. Carlson et al)

Then his cursing on air, and his suspension, and all of the surprising media hype that went along with it...almost as if it were planned. Maybe CNN already knew and they just set it up to appear as if he lost it!?! Mary Matalin has been indicted, hasn't she?

[FloridaPat]

30. There were 2 posts were a repub spouse changed and a Democrat

got upset at *. No matter what some may say, that makes it a success. Are there any stories of pro* people still being pro-invasion after seeing this? Any more stories about people changing their mind about *?

[fiveleafclover]

31. It's a step in the right direction.

Let's encourage the media to continue to take steps in this direction until we can finally turn the corner.

[Dragonfli]

32. It is a start! and I am willing to bet it pissed of kkkarl...

He does not like to be crossed by his lapdog media.
See how mad he gets?:


His payback list just got a little longer even as his control is slipping away (IMHO)

[proud patriot]

36. I thought it was good

:thumbsup:

[jpgray]

38. What didn't get mentioned

Was that the administration pimped WMDs for 4+ months before Tenet made his "slam dunk" presentation on what evidence the CIA had for WMD's. Blaming this on the CIA is absolutely ridiculous. I agree it's better than nothing, but that's not saying much.

[Mr_Spock]

41. I enjoyed it tremendously

I can't understand the criticism of people who think that CNN has the ability in 1 HR to depose Bush. What-ever... :eyes:

[CatWoman]

42. and I can't believe the inordinate amount of bitching around here

every time we get a few crumbs, some people can't wait to start shouting "where's the whole fucking cake"?

I understand that we should be demanding more than crumbs, but hell, a little goes a long way.

With me, anyway.

There was no liberal radio.

We finally get it, only to have several daily threads about how much it sucks.

The media kept sickenening us with Aruba and Michael Jackson.

They do a damning report on Bush, and some posters are demanding that CNN draw up articles on impeachment.

[Bluebear]

43. TRUTH BE DEMAND1!!!!!1111111

All I had to see was the meltdown on Yahoo to see it made an impact.

[CatWoman]

45. HAHAHAHAHAHA

you know I had to join that party.

those poor idiots heads were exploding all over the place.

It got quite messy :D

[babylonsister]

44. .

:toast: My glass is almost full! :evilgrin:

[enigmatic]

50. Bitching: It's the Real Americian Pastime

I thought it savaged W; I was verry happy with the report.

[CatWoman]

52. especially when they talked about his falling outs

with people who stopped allowing themselves to be used.

[enigmatic]

53. That was a key

And very telling; my wife got that while we were watching that, too..

[Mr_Spock]

51. I agree with you wholeheartedly

This process has taken longer then I expected, but at least the ball is rolling. I have my days where I want to kick some heads in I get so frustrated, but at least today isn't one of them. Of all the days for people to be bitching and moaning - it's upsetting actually.

[CatWoman]

54. Live long and prosper

:D

[Mr_Spock]

58. Same to you...

I could bitch about the wrong hand - but it wouldn't accomplish anything :rofl:

[CatWoman]

59. LOLOLOLOL

I was too lazy to do a Spock search.

The peace sign is just soooooooooo much easier :D

[Mr_Spock]

61. I'll take peace over a greeting any day!

Peace, sister :D

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

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[opihimoimoi]

66. My wife and I watched it and was appalled at how much of this was kept

from the Sheeple and America through misinformation, distraction, and lies/spin.

I am ammazed as is Cat, that CNN came out of the Deciet Closet....and finally got a show off re the TRUTH.

Tenent, Colin, and m,ore than a few others will go to their graves knowing they did America Wrong...

Thanks Cat....:wink: :toast:

[rman]

70. Fine, as long as people don't think this is the truth.

Because it is part of the truth at best.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. I think all in all it's good

It's good to get most of the stuff out there. I think it shows that Bush manipulated. I noticed they made sure to note that if Tenent went against Bush he would be risked to be fired. One guy did point out that it was all politically motivated but the voice-over guy was talking which pissed me off cause you missed that important part. But it shows how they cherry-picked intelligence and even talked about the Iraq group with Cheney, Rice, Rove and the gang. I also find the timing very interesting and suspecious. What's up? Are they planning to go into Iran? I know that CNN is involved with the Bilderberg group and way too many of them are against Iran so what if they are bringing Bush's fall down? CNN was the obvious choice to do this segment since many people think they are "liberal" (ha!) and all that. I am glad they ran the program and showed all they did. All in all it's a good thing and it makes me wonder if Bush is going down hopefully or at least this tants his image.

[Greyhound]

69. Hey it's TV. Lowest common denominator & all. So, I'd say pretty good n/t

[Vinca]

72. I couldn't believe I was watching CNN.

My only complaint is that it's all old news. We've known about it for months . . . years even. But, overall, it was a scathing report that made it clear the intelligence was cooked by the neocons. I don't understand Tenet and Powell at all. They knew it was crap. THEY KNEW! And, despite being among the minuscule minority with a conscience, they let the war go forward . . . Powell, especially, having been to war himself. This report is better late than never and maybe, just maybe, will wake a few people up.

[rocktivity]

74. CNN's own advance publicity said it all

...(T)he CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown"...pieces together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."
link

The stumbling block is the word "mistaken." The intelligence wasn't mistaken, it was fabricated. Much more to the point, it was fabricated by the Bush Oval Office via the Office of Special Plans and force-fed to the CIA.

Though it was downright exciting to see all that now-incriminating speech footage, the program's mission was to plant the idea in less savvy minds that Bush was the unwitting "victim" of a series of unfortunate events and a Baghdad town drunk. Expanding the roles of PNAC, OSP and DSM would have given the show more fairness and balance.

:headbang:
rocknation

[steve2470]

76. I liked it. It wasn't thorough enough, of course, because of time.

I do believe that if it had been a 3 hour special, most people would have either 1) turned it off, 2) chalked it up to librul media or 3) been unable to keep all the puzzle pieces together to see the entire mosaic. They need to do more installments of that and go into much more detail.