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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:46 PM
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American Turkish Council
We know the ATC is connected with republicans but also with some Democrats. Any speculation on Democratic connections and is this why dems won't have any real investigation of 9/11?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:53 PM
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1. Any Sibel fans want to weigh in?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:02 PM
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2. I googled it and found a pdf file with
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 01:07 PM by shraby
board members listed but it wouldn't load for me.
Found a list..
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Turkish_Council#Board_Members_2004_.28http:.2F.2Fwww.americanturkishcouncil.org.2Ffiles.2Fabout.us.2F04.19.05.board.of.directors.pdf.29>
Board Members 2004 (http://www.americanturkishcouncil.org/files/about.us/04.19.05.board.of.directors.pdf)
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft (USAF, Ret.), Chairman of the Board
G. Lincoln McCurdy, President & Chief Executive Officer
George H. Perlman, Lockheed Martin, Executive Vice President
Marise Rene Stewart, Textron, Vice President
Janet A. Howard, The Coca-Cola Company, Vice President
Ronald L. Whitehead, The Whitehead Group, Treasurer
Charles R. Johnston, Jr., Baker Donelson, Secretary & General Counsel
Canan Büyükünsal, Executive Director
Executive Committee (as of August 4, 2004) (http://www.americanturkishcouncil.org/files/about.us/04.08.04.executive.committee.pdf)
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft (USAF, Ret.), Chairman of the Board
G. Lincoln McCurdy, President & Chief Executive Officer
George H. Perlman, Executive Vice President, Lockheed Martin
Marise Rene Stewart, Vice President, Textron
Janet A. Howard, Vice President, The Coca-Cola Company
Ronald L. Whitehead, Treasurer and Agribusiness & Food Industries Co-Chair, The Whitehead Group
Charles R. Johnston, Jr., Secretary & General Counsel, Baker Donelson
Canan Buyukunsal, Executive Director
MGen Elmer D. Pendleton (USA, Ret.), ATC Senior Military Advisor and Awards Chair
Donald Nelson, Agribusiness & Food Industries Co-Chair, Altria Group Inc.
Engin Artemel, Agribusiness & Food Industries Vice Chair, Artemel International
Terence Bedford, Banking & Finance Chair, Raymond James & Associates
Charles D. Hartman, Construction & Energy Chair, Alarko Holding
Brian M. Cavey, Construction & Energy Vice Chair, Washington Group International
Duncan MacDonald, Construction & Energy Vice Chair, InterGen
Sahir Erozan, Culture & Tourism Co- Chair, Overseas Partners
Ambassador Alan W. Luken (Ret.), Culture & Tourism Co-Chair, ALVENSA
Col. Preston Hughes (USA, Ret.), Defense & Security Affairs Chair
Andy Button, Defense & Security Affairs Vice Chair, The Boeing Company
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:09 PM
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4. Here's the Azerbaijan info
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=US-Azerbaijan_Chamber_of_Commerce>

Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center
The USACC also owns and operates The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center, which is a "four-story historic building ... located in the heart of Georgetown at 1212 Potomac Street." The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/rvaziri.htm)
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/bakerIV.htm)
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/fazima.htm)
Betty Blair (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/bblair.htm)
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/nfahm.htm)
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/gwilliams.htm)
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/aakyuz.htm)
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/gallison.htm)
Sam Brownback (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/sbrownback.htm)
Frank Henke (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/fhenke.htm)
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/hpashayev.htm)
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/jpitts.htm)
John Roberts (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/jroberts.htm)
Stephen Robertson (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/srobertson.htm)
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/fverrastro.htm)
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/tjonas.htm), Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison (http://www.usacc.org/chamber/kmattison.htm), Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:08 PM
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3. Never Heard of the American Turkish Council
IIRC, although it doesn't surprise me that such an organization exists. Maybe some of us need to be educated about it before discussing it.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:12 PM
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6. Read the latest Sibel Edmonds interview.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:14 PM
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7. Well, you could start here
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:14 PM
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8. It's connected
with what Sibel Edmunds overheard concerning drug running, arms, and terrorism. Read this

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/horton.php?articleid=7032
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:12 PM
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5. Sibel Edmonds 05 Spring Offensive FBI Shields Pak/Turkey Nuclear Weapons
Sibel Edmonds 05 Spring Offensive FBI Shields Pak/Turkey Nuclear Weapons
Sibel Edmonds’ 2005 Spring Offensive:
FBI Shields Pakistan/Turkey Nuclear Weapons Development,
Drug Trade, Cheney, Rumsfeld

...

The actors in this drama include cultural and semi-legitimate groups like the American Friends of Turkey/American Turkish Council (and affiliates and chapters); the Atlantic Council; American (CIA), Turkish (MIT) and Pakistan (ISI) intelligence agencies; Pentagon intelligence operatives like USAF Major Douglas Dickerson and Jan Malek Can Dickerson; former Turkish ministers like Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz under investigation for corruption; Turkish-run companies like Giza Technologies of New Jersey, implicated and then cleared of WMD proliferation charges**; and US officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

As an aside, US defense contractors -- like Textron, Lockheed Martin and Halliburton -- figure in this story too as they, with US government approval, have regularly exhibited at defense weapons expos in Turkey, Pakistan, and elsewhere for decades. Why China and Iran are vilified as of late for being legitimate participants in these Expos there and here in the USA Homeland remains an intriguing question. It’s interesting to note that MSNBC reported that Cheney’s big visit to China in 2004 included marketing Westinghouse’s nuclear reactors to China. No surprise there as US nuclear technology has been marketed to the world over the years by Cheney and Rumsfeld (the latter in North Korea) to include North Korea.

But go figure. Buying some conventional weapons capability and basic nuclear generation technology from dullard US defense contractors is one thing. The real question is this: How did Pakistan and Turkey escaped US scrutiny while developing nuclear weapons and Turkey helped pay for them with drug money and technology?

Dick and Don’s Fabulous Adventure

The names Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld recur as reference points throughout American, Turkish, Pakistani relationships beginning as early as 1975 when President Gerald Ford, taking the advice of then staff members Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, vetoed the arms embargo on Pakistan. Earlier in 1974, the same two would save Turkey from a dreaded arms embargo. In 1999, with the Halliburton CEO hat on and before a crowd at the CATO Institute, a Cheney gem would surface telling the audience what the American people would never hear or understand. Cheney reminisced about Turkey and indicated, quite appropriately, that national security policy in the USA depends on lobbyists and the omnipotent .orgs that house them.


more
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Stanton0310.htm

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:24 PM
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10. Take a visit via the Net to the world of associations
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 01:29 PM by seemslikeadream
Whistlerblower Coming in Cold From The FBI

...

the article mentions a woman named Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish woman married to a major in the U.S. Air Force. The woman told Edmonds that she couldn't believe America was monitoring people who were their chief "persons of interest" because Dickerson and her husband had done favors for them...shopping...

"Ms. Edmonds has told the Judiciary Committee that soon after, Ms. Dickerson tried to establish social ties with her, suggesting they meet in Alexandria and introduce their husbands to each other.

When Sibel invited the visitors in for tea, she said, Major Dickerson began asking Matthew Edmonds if the couple had many friends from Turkey here in the U.S. Mr. Edmonds said he didn't speak Turkish, so they didn't associate with many Turkish people. The Air Force officer then began talking up a Turkish organization in Washington that he described, according to the Edmondses, as "a great place to make connections and it could be very profitable."

Sibel was sickened. This organization was the very one she and Jan Dickerson were monitoring in a 9/11 investigation. Since Sibel had adhered to the rule that an F.B.I. employee does not discuss bureau matters with one's mate, her husband innocently continued the conversation. Ms. Dickerson and her husband offered to introduce the Edmondses to people connected to the Turkish embassy in Washington who belonged to this organization. ..."My husband keeps thinking he's talking about promoting business deals," Ms. Edmonds later said of the encounter. "He has no idea the man is talking about criminal activities with some semi-legitimate front."

These are classic "pitch activities" to get somebody to spy for you, according to a Judiciary Committee staffer who investigated Ms. Edmonds' claims. ...The targets of that F.B.I. investigation left the country abruptly in 2002. Later, Ms. Edmonds discovered that Ms. Dickerson had managed to get hold of translations meant for Ms. Edmonds, forge her signature, and render the communications useless."

more
http://www.gailsheehy.com/9_11/9_11_art1_21.html


The deep politics of regime removal in Iraq:


James Woolsey: Iraqi Opposition Agent

Former CIA Director Woolsey is another important Nitze disciple, member of the Defense Policy Board, SAIS board member and Perle-Wolfowitz colleague. Nitze hired Woolsey for the SALT I negotiating team during the Carter years. Woolsey served Perle as general counsel of the Senate Armed Services Committee. During the Reagan-Bush era, Woolsey worked with Brent Scowcroft's strategic forces commission and on other defense assignments.

Woolsey also sits on the board of such spy-military industrial companies as DynCorp, Martin Marietta, British Aerospace Inc, Fairchild Industries. Along with a number of US elites, he is deeply involved in Central Asian oil politics and sits on the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce.

Immediately after the September 11, 2001, attacks, Woolsey went to the media to blame the operation on Saddam Hussein. Woolsey flew to London in October 2001 with officials of the Defense and State Departments to gather evidence linking Hussein to 9/11.

At a July 24, 2002, Washington symposium hosted by the Institute of World Politics, Woolsey told the audience, "We are in a world war, we are in World War Four." He also declared that it had begun on 9/11, and he called for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq—even without a "smoking gun." In his speech, Woolsey declared that Saddam's "general support of terrorism" was enough justification.

Woolsey's anti-Saddam stance is no surprise, considering that he is a partner in the law firm of Shea & Gardner. Shea & Gardner is registered as a "foreign agent" for the Iraqi National Congress.

In 1998, Woolsey defended six INC-affiliated Iraqi resistance fighters whom the Clinton administration was trying to deport back to Iraq. Woolsey eventually negotiated a deal that domiciled five of the Iraqi agents in Nebraska. Woolsey was so incensed with the Clinton administration, and the intelligence community that had "spurned" him, that he bitterly called America "a fascist country."

Woolsey's intemperate "get Iraq" views continue to be featured prominently throughout the media. Salon.com published a typical offering, in which Woolsey connected 9/11 to the 1993 World Trade Center bombings and suggested that Ramsey Youssef was an Iraqi agent (not a member of Al Qaeda).

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin110702/chin110702.html

Take a visit via the Net to the world of associations.


the reality is that it and other affiliated associations are the US government.

...

It is in and through such associations that US political, economic and military policy is made and the American public subsequently "educated" to support policies that are not, and could not, be debated in public because of their illegality, audacity, complexity and, arguably, necessity.

...

America Gives Birth to New EuroAsia

Now, before you yell, "Conspiracy," you might want to think Necessity and Stability, particularly in light of the opening to Central Asia, the Caucasus and the new Europe provided by 9-11. Pull up Net maps of Central Asia, the Caucasus, and Europe. Once you've done that, consider what political, economic and military activities (defined as US national interests) the United States has underway in those regions. It is no less than the development of a US-dominated New EuroAsia that includes the "Stans," Ukraine, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech, Croatia, and Poland. Crazy? Hardly, it is a brilliant gamble. There are many compelling reasons to create a New EuroAsia with the US with a controlling interest.

...

ACPC was founded in 1999 and is chaired by former National Security Advisor Zibigniew Brezinski, former Secretary of State Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and former Congressman Stephen J. Solarz. ACPC, according to its website, is composed of more than one hundred distinguished Americans representing both major political parties and nearly every walk of life.

And who are those 100 Americans? Well, to name a few, there's Geraldine Ferraro, former Democratic candidate for vice president; Frank Gaffney, CEO of the Center for Security Policy whose board members include Doug Feith, Gordon Sullivan, CEO of the Army Association of the USA, and Bob Livingston of the Livingston Group; Elliot Abrams and Mike Leeden. And who would have guessed that Richard Gere and PJ O'Rourke would be members of the ACPC?

And the story gets routine and boring as it moves on. The honorary chair of the American Georgia Business Council (AGBC) is James Baker III. Its members include ExxonMobil, Northrop Grumman and Ernst &Young. President of the AGBC is S. Enders Wimbush, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and former Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) and Booz Allen Hamilton employee. A trustee of note on the Hudson Institute is Al Haig. The same connections, whether through individuals or organizations, can be found for Ukraine and Belarus, as well as Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Six Degrees of Zibigniew Brezinski
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/021805Stanton/021805stanton.html
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:59 PM
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13. these things must be eradicated n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:24 PM
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9. So far
I keep getting Corporations, repubs and neocons. I guess some dems are connected by being on some corporate boards. Anyway, I just want to know who is on who's side.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:36 PM
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11. It's hard to tell from these articles
Just who are the Dems?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:39 PM
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12. That's my question
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 02:00 PM
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14. my wild guess is the DLC
No way of knowing without checking membership rosters, though.
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