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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:18 AM
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Poll on MSNBC :Did Pat Robertson go too far
Did Pat Robertson go too far by calling for the assassination of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez? * 1335 responses


No
14%

Yes
82%

Not sure
3%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9050213/
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:19 AM
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1. I know people will say that 14% is scary but,
given how at least 28% form Bush's absolute hard core base, that's an impressively low number.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:22 AM
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2. Maybe it hasn't been freeped, yet.
It's obviously a lopsided result...so far, and gives me hope. But, if the number of respondents was much larger I'd be more impressed.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:11 AM
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15. The freepers themseves split over this latest craziness
from Robertson. I took a quick look at the discussion there last night, and saw almost as many people disgusted by Robertson as supportive of him. I think the freepers who were disgusted by Robertson got a much-needed reality check when they saw how crazy many of their fellow freepers are (like the psychopath who not only cheered Robertson's suggestion but said we should assassinate Castro next).

Anyway, if the 30% or so of the population that's Bush's base (including the crazy/deluded/exploited as well as the "haves and have-mores" that he snickers about being his true base) is splitting fairly evenly over Robertson's latest fatwa, that would explain the 14-15% figure.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:15 AM
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16. Well, Roberton's little vocal foray into blatant neocon policy
implementation is an eyeopener. There is a group among freepers who didn't really listen when the "* policy" was first announced after 9/11. That "for us or agin' us stuff" has implications for more than Iraq and Saddam. Any country is fair game and any leader. If any leader is fair game, the that leaves Little Boots open. Any guesses as to why he hides all the time?

*shaking head*
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:28 AM
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4.  There's always between 14-20% of folks who vote this way in these polls.
They just won't let go of the dream.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:38 AM
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8. These 15-20% are nothing but theocratic brownshirts
and Pat Robertson is their leader.

This is also the heart of Bush's base, which is why, together with the corporate elite and the wealthy, short of eating a baby on live air, he will always maintain atleast 30% approval ratings.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:40 AM
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10.  I'll bet he COULD eat a live baby on air and still get 14%.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:49 AM
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13. I agree
In fact, I'd venture to say it's higher - more like 25%. Never misjudge the blind loyalty to authority the freepers have. They could easily justify Bush's eating of it. They'd claim either the footage was fake (because Fox wouldn't broadcast it) or the baby was a terrorist.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:53 AM
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14. or they'd compare it to partial birth abortion.
"This is nothing compared to a woman killin her child at birth!"
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:16 AM
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22. That's NO dream ... it's a nightmare
O8)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:12 AM
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26. well, it is OUR living nightmare!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:30 AM
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6. I can understand 14% saying "No" more than I can understand
anyone saying "Not sure". What's not to be sure about? :shrug:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:26 AM
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3. 2246 votes and 82% say Yes Robertson went too far. n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:29 AM
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5. Not only did he go to far
he should be arrested and his broadcasting license revoked. Advocating the violent overthrow of a democratically elected leader is beyond criminal.

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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:40 AM
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11. Just wait
the "I was taken out of context" defense will begin circulating very soon....some kind of tawdry bullshit....."it's not my fault"

he has a big fake college in Virginia Beach....would love to see some protests there
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:39 AM
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25. Yes, he's consulting with Rush right now
fine-tuning his strategery. B-)

Deny you said it, despite copious documentary evidence that you did, and call the accusers pinko commies and sympathizers for dictators and terrorists.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:35 AM
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7. Some Christian. Someone needs to brush up on their Commandments.n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:39 AM
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9. Wonder how far isn't too far? nt
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:48 AM
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12. It shows the rediculousness of the "Christian Coalition"
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 07:49 AM by FtWayneBlue
in all it's shallowness. I notice Chavez is not calling for Robertson's assassination.

Did Pat Robertson go too far by calling for the assassination of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez? * 4429 responses


No
15%

Yes
82%

Not sure
3%
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:48 AM
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17. Done............n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:49 AM
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18. Email the FCC. slam them with complaints. nt
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:03 AM
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19. My letter to the FCC
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 09:07 AM by Southpaw Bookworm
DUers: Feel free to copy and paste.

Hello,

I'd like to report an indecency violation on television, from Monday, August 22, on the program "The 700 Club" on the Christian Broadcasting Network. During the program, the host (Mr. Pat Robertson) advocated the assassination of a foreign leader: President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

Here are a few of Mr. Robertson's comments:

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. . . It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. . . It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

If advocating murder (particularly that of a foreign leader, which could lead to geopolitical repercussions for the American people and, in this case, the Western hemisphere) is not indent, what is?

Sincerely,
Southpaw Bookworm
Washington, DC


On edit: Damn, now that I think of it, I should have mentioned the issue of a terrorist threat. Someone in another post reminded that in Rwanda the radio hosts who helped stir up the murderous frenzy were brought up on war crimes charges.
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mrfocus Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:14 AM
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20. How could that possibly be NOT too far?
Hmmm...wonder what would happen if a Muslim cleric called for the assassination of Blair?
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:15 AM
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21. Doesn't Anyone Find it Just a Little Crazy
THAT WE EVEN HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION????

I weep for my country, and I weep for what has become of our once proud news media.

That's like asking; "Concentration Camps. Did Hitler go to far?"

I feel like George Jetson; "Jane! Stop this crazy thing!"
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:38 AM
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24. I agree. News morphs into Reality TV
over and over again. If it is sensational or salacious, it gets air time. If it's consequential and may bite into profits, it gets buried or goes unreported. Moreover, the media is trying to manipulate the news like a plot line. If it becomes an interactive experience for the audience, then people feel as if they are somehow shaping their own destinies, even though the underlying policies are already firmly decided and ensconced by the corporations and their bought and paid for politicians.

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mcar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:16 AM
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23. Done, thanks
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