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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:27 AM
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Ziad Jarrah (Flight 93): "This is your Captain speaking..."
For anyone who watched National Geographics "Inside 9/11," I was wondering if anyone else found the character of Zaid Jarrah particularly disconcerting and fascinating. Jarrah, from a fairly well-off, secular family in Lebanon, was part of the original Hamburg crew. He met Mohammed Atta and Marhwan al-Shehhi in the radical Hamburg mosque they all attended. He differs from the other hijackers in that he was married (to a secular Muslim woman), and this seemed to make him suspect for Atta, who was constantly worried that Jarrah would bail on the operation.

Three points of interest:

1) I always thought that Flight 93 made its turn too late. The plane cleared Pennsylvania entirely before it started turning around over Ohio. If you compare the flight paths of the other three planes, they all start the turn much earlier in the flight. Both Atta and Shehhi's planes (Flight 11 and Flight 175) turn very soon after take-off; Flight 77 takes a bit longer, but not that much longer. Flight 93 takes entirely too long, and there are indications that it wasn't even seized until it cleared PA. This has always been a curious point for me. Could it be that Jarrah's team was the weak link, committment-wise?

2) We're all familiar with Atta's staccato "We have some planes. Don't make any moves." It is hard and cold. The announcement from Flight 93, however, is much different. Jarrah is described in the documentary as good-humored and popular, known especially for his sense of humor. This seems to strangely transfer over into his in-flight announcement after the hijackers take the plane. He starts the announcement by saying "This is your captain speaking..." I found this incredibly bizarre, because in both tone and content, he appears to be joking.

3) Jarrah also asks another hijacker for advice when the passengers revolt. He says (in Arabic, I assume) "Should we end it now?" and is told "No. Not yet." On all the other planes, the pilots were the leaders. Here, Jarrah seems to be unsure of himself and taking orders from another.

I put these points up not as any kind of conspiracy theory, or any theory at all. I just found Zaid Jarrah a compelling, though obviously despicable, character. He's the one hijacker that comes through as a personality with depth, even below the media and government narratives.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:32 AM
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1. Human beings
I think part of it is conditioning by our government and media to view these men as not being human.

But they WERE human beings, each with families and emotions and aspirations at one point or another.

They also were capable, willing and eager to commit mass murder in name of radical Islam.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:36 AM
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2. That's pretty interesting.
I didn't see the special so thanks for posting. I have never been able to think of any of the hijackers as very human despite trying to understand how they could do what they did, but you DO get a more accessible picture of this guy.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:41 AM
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4. He wrote a letter to his wife the night before
Saying "I hope you will be proud of me."

He also called her the morning of September 11 and told her that he loved her.

Weird.

I was also surprised that the Flight 93 team didn't check into their Newark Airport hotel until 12:15 am the night before. This seems like a very late check-in for four guys who must be up and ready around 6:00 am...
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:56 AM
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7. that makes me want to cry...
I think from a combination of the whole tragedy and the fact that a man that clearly had some humanity to him would be capable of such a thing.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:38 AM
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3. They even said in the doc that Atta was always scared that he'd back down
he had a wife and a life. i think he was very smart and very mentally ill (he may have been having second thoughts)
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:48 AM
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5. Just a suggestion:
"Should we end it now?" and is told "No. Not yet." He is asking if he should end the drill now or keep playing along. . .
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:52 AM
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6. Oy veh....
I should have known this would happen...:eyes:
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:04 AM
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8. Could it be possible that he was a covert spy?
The concept of a ringer from the US intelligence agencies in one of those cells never crossed my mind until just this minute (probably because I am in the LIHOP camp)

But couldn't it be possible that the US intelligence agencies had a spy in one of these cells?

Interesting thought--it seems odd that a jihadist type was married to a secular woman.

Just speculating.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:25 PM
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9. Unlikely...this guy was the real deal
Just a twist on that deal.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:49 PM
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10. I would have to see the show
Unfortuantely I can't get (or couldn't find) the National Geographic channel the other night!
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