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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:03 PM
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Is Chavez really as bad as Robertson says he is?
Is the Venezualan economy in the toilet because of him. Are Muslim extremists flocking to the area?
Or did he pull this out of his ass?
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:06 PM
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1. I do not think Venezuela's president likes Bush. That will do it.
:shrug:
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:06 PM
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2. yes right outta his butt along with a very upset hamster
I wouldn't trust Pat Robertson if he told me the sky was blue.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:06 PM
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3. What do you think?
How many times has this guy said something and it WASN'T absolute bullshit?

There ya go...
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:09 PM
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4. You even have to ask this?
Let's wait for Gawd to smite all the Sodomites at Disneyworld before we assign Brother Pat any credibility, mm-kay?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:10 PM
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5. The muslim thing came out of his ass.
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 02:11 PM by K-W
The rest is right wing propaganda.
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:11 PM
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6. Please. Venezuela as a breeding ground for Muslim terrorists?
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 02:13 PM by Stirk
That's such transparent bullshit it makes me laugh. Pat Robertson and his corporate buddies don't like Chavez's domestic policies, which put Venezuela before US corporations. That's why Robertson would like to see him dead.

They've been pushing this "Venezuela = Al Qaeda" thing off and on for a couple of years now. It never gets any traction because it's obvious garbage.
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KarenInMA Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:11 PM
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7. Chavez was democratically elected.
he's up for re election next year, and he's leading. He survived a pretty nasty coup, as well as a general strike.

he is most certainly not perfect. He's a marxist. He does NOT like the rumblings he see's from his Neighbors to the North.

Therefore, he should be executed?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:11 PM
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8. Chavez is a Populist
He is using the nation's oil reserves to benefit the common folk rather than enrich the upper classes. And he's done it in America's face using constitutional processes rather than a military coup.

The Venezuelan elite, backed by the US, attempted a coup several years ago and instigated a recall election last year. Neither one was successful. That accounts for a lot of the hostility.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:14 PM
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9. I believe Their economy grew by 14-17% last year
The Administration and oil companies are very pissed off at him because he raised the oil royalties charged for Venezuelan oil, to feed, educate, and give medical care to it's citizens.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:19 PM
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13. AND WHAT DID OUR ECONOMY GROW BY LAST YEAR??
anyone know???

look chavez is making the oil companies texaco et al pay the venezuelan people legitimate salaries..

for 3o yrs at least the top venezuelan leaders pocketed all the texaco money and the people got nothing..slave wages!

oil companies hate chavez because now they have to pay the workers real salaries!

time for a coup doncha think??

or do the venezuelan people deserve to have a real living ??

* and texaco et al think its our oil..since they ran venezuela for so long!! with puppet governments!
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:17 PM
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10. Chavez is a complicated man
Not perfect by any means, but he's doing a hard job under very difficult circumstances, trying to pull his country out of abject poverty. He is a Marxist, he's a buddy with Fidel, that's true, but he also makes the point that capitalism, as it has been practiced in Venezuela, has produced a few very wealthy and a whole lot of very poor, and that has to change.

The main reason the Bushies (and their goose-stepping minions) hate Chavez is because he came up with the radical idea of taxing foreign oil companies to help pay for making the poor better off. Of course the Bushies oppose that.

Unfortunately, the tiny minority of wealthy there own the communications apparatus, so you hear a torrent of negative misinformation coming out of there, which the Bushies are all to happy to repeat.
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Beaver Tail Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:17 PM
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11. I am just wondering how Chavez
would turn Venezuela, Roman Catholic is by far the dominant religion, into a Muslim Extremist state
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:19 PM
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12. Why the FUCK would you listen to the likes of Pat Robertson?
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 02:19 PM by htuttle
Robertson made it all up, like he makes everything up...

"Oh, I'm getting a Word of Truth....Somebody in Lower Bumfuck, Arkansas is getting their arthritis healed...."

Give me a fucking break!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:21 PM
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15. because he is a legitimate leader of the republican party!
he must be exposed for what he is and what kind of a fucking ass he and the republican religous faction is in the republican party..a murderer!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:21 PM
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14. NO, it boild dow n to it's about the oil production coming to the US.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:25 PM
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16. Can you really trust the word of a grown man who uses the word "homo"?
As Robertson was caught on live network feed from the Larry King show doing? As seen in the video "Spin?"

May seem like I'm committing the genetic fallacy, but Robertson IS genetically fallacious.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:35 PM
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17. Bush has been trying to oust Chavez from day one. Money
has been used from our government to upseat him.

Greg Palast has done a great deal of writing on this.

In fact, he has a new article today!

http://gregpalast.com/



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