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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:09 PM
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Craig Crawford on Olberman - "Democrats don't have a vocal leader"
Quiet about Robertson.

Quiet about Sheehan.

Where is the common voice of dissent and denial of this regime?

LOUD, CLEAR DISSENTING VOICE?

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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:10 PM
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1. HERE
This is the place.

I am sooooo frustrated that not one of our leaders can handle us!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:12 PM
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4. Our Dem Leaders have been saying their share...better a soft muted voice
(Media Bias) than the whimpering wimp the Pubs got...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:14 PM
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7. I am sorry, but what we need is every dem talking like the Mayor of SLC
was talking.

Using words like LIES!

TELLING THE FREAKING TRUTH!!!

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:42 PM
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12. Believe me, I agree..but we have to work with the given....
I always did promote some sort of system to insure better candidates that would be more, far more astute in many fields and cultures, history etc.....

we got some Dem dummies too..IE Zell.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:21 AM
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18. yes sir. nt
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:11 PM
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2. I thought Howard Dean was too vocal
the pundits should make up their mind.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:15 PM
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8. All they have to do is not cover him
and badabing, quietude.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:11 PM
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3. Hackett? Isn't he one possibility?
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 11:12 PM by BrklynLiberal
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:03 AM
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16. How is he a Democratic leader? He hasn't been elected to an office yet. NT
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:13 PM
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5. I heard that too
It is really too bad. A lot of people are seeing the wrongdoings of the Bu$h Crime Family and if there was someone to show the alternative, they might convert from the hypocrisy Christianity to the party that stands for real caring, real values, and real community.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:14 PM
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6. What's the old saying?
When your enemy is f'ing themselves, don't intervene? Sometimes its smart to be quiet.

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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:25 PM
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11. Two separate issues
The first Christianity, we Christians need to address our issues, basically false teachers.
The second, the Democratic Party, we Democrats need to address our issues, basically, false Democrats.

They, try to confuse issues, which make us question ourselves. Truth always wins, though maybe not fast enough for the average person, but it does prevail. The US is now in a truth finding phase. Truth always wins, it cannot be denied (for too long!).
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:18 PM
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9. John Conyers has been a very vocal leader!
I agree...we have too few vocal leaders. But in this case, Pat Robertson will hang himself nicely...no help necessary. No need to politicize it if that can be avoided. There are many more important issues that we need to press our leaders on.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:23 PM
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10. LMAO! Bring out DEAN!
They know their asses are grass and the Bills are going to try to inhale. They are basicially putting up a front of dodges. I'm sorry, but your wearing a green shirt on Thursday. So we can't hear anything you have to say about the impeachment of Bush. Oh yeah, and if your thinking about prosecuting Bush. You have to catch every criminal of every crime ever commited since the begining of time. Before you even think about prosecuting Bush. It's like a mass murder telling a cop. Shouldn't you be out writting speeding tickets?
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:06 AM
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13. Howard Dean's doing a good job but not being covered by media n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 07:08 AM
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14. We don't. Our voice is wishy washy, Joe Biden. Before that..
it was war mongerer, Joe Lieberman. With voices like these it's no wonder nobody knows what we stand for. That's why the media uses them for our voice.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:11 AM
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17. The news shows are only booking Biden, Bayh and Lieberman.
The Dems speaking out the most against Bush aren't being reported on much or not at all.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:11 AM
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15. Where is Kerry? Where is Gore? Where is Hilary?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:22 AM
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19. I Don't Have A Leader. I Have Representatives
I don't want anyone to lead me either. I just want the elected officials to do their job to make everyone's life a little more comfortable, starting at the bottom and working their way up.

I don't want them to tell me what i should think or believe. I don't want them framing my ideology. I'll tell them, thanks very much.

I get Crawford's point, but i DON'T WANT TO BE LED!

The Professor
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:23 AM
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20. This article from Nation explains WHY we don't have a Dem Leader...
The Strategic Class

Ari Berman

Central to the liberal hawks' mission is a challenge to other Democrats that they too must become "national security Democrats," to borrow a phrase coined by Holbrooke. To talk about national security a Democrat must be a national security Democrat, and to be a national security Democrat, a Democrat must enthusiastically support a militarized "war on terror," protracted occupation in Iraq, "muscular" democratization and ever-larger defense budgets. The liberal hawks caricature other Democrats just as Republicans long stereotyped them. The pundits magnify the perception that Democrats are soft on national security, and they influence how consultants view public opinion and develop the message for candidates. In that sense, the bottom of the pyramid is always interacting with the top. It matters little that people like Beinart have no national security experience--as long as the hawks identify themselves as national security Democrats, they're free to play the game.


Today, despite the growing evidence that the Bush Administration's actions in Iraq have been a colossal--some would say criminal--failure, what's striking is how much of the pyramid remains essentially in place. As the Iraqi insurgency turned increasingly violent, and the much-hyped WMDs never turned up, the hawks attempted a bit of self-evaluation. Slate and The New Republic both hosted windy pseudo-mea culpa forums. Of the eight liberal hawks invited by Slate, journalist Fred Kaplan remarked, "I seem to be the only one in the club who's changed his mind." TNR's confession was even more limited, with Beinart admitting that he overcame his distrust of Bush so that he could "feel superior to the Democrats." Pollack took part in both forums, and then earned five figures for an Atlantic Monthly essay on "what went wrong." Even at their darkest hour, the strategic class found a way to profit from its errors, coalescing around a view that its members had been misled by the Bush Administration and that too little planning, too few troops and too much ideology were largely to blame for the chaos in Iraq. The hawks decided it was acceptable to criticize the execution of the war, but not the war itself--a view Kerry found particularly attractive. A "yes, but" or "no, but" mentality defined this thinking. Having subsequently pinned the blame for Kerry's defeat largely on the political consultants or the candidate himself, the strategic class has moved forward largely unscarred.

Biden and Clinton still have more influence than antiwar politicians like Ted Kennedy or Russ Feingold. No one has replaced Holbrooke or Albright. Pollack continues to thrive at Brookings and, despite never visiting the country, has a new book out about Iran. Shortly after the election, Beinart penned a 5,683-word essay calling on hawkish Democrats to repudiate "softs" like MoveOn.org and Michael Moore; the essay won Beinart--already a fellow at Brookings--a $650,000 book deal and high-profile visibility on the Washington ideas circuit. Subsequently a statement of leading policy apparatchiks on the PPI publication Blueprint challenged fellow Democrats to make fighting Islamic totalitarianism the central organizing principle of the party. Replace the words "Al Qaeda" with "Soviet Union" and the essay seemed straight out of 1947-48; the militarized post-9/11 climate of fear had reincarnated the cold war Democrat. A number of leading specialists signed a letter by the neoconservative Project for the New American Century asking Congress to boost the defense budget and increase the size of the military by 25,000 troops each year over the next several years. The "Third Way" group of conservative Senate Democrats recently introduced a similar proposal.


Those insiders who doubt the wisdom of a hawkish course often get the cold shoulder if they stray too far from the strategic line. After criticizing the rush to war, Ivo Daalder of Brookings became the foreign policy point man for Howard Dean's insurgent campaign. Many of Daalder's colleagues at Brookings and elsewhere sharply criticized Dean, and afterward unnamed Democratic insiders bragged to The New Republic that Dean's advisers would never work again. That, of course, didn't happen, but Daalder and others have since tempered their opposition rhetoric. Today Daalder blames the antiwar movement for Dean's defeat and calls for more troops in Iraq.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050829&c=1&s=berman

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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:54 AM
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21. If a democratic leader falls in the forest and...
...the media and the government doesn't allow anyone into the forest to hear it fall, does the leader make a sound?

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