All I can do is report what happened.

[niallmac]

I will report what happened today and that’s all I can do.
]Some background-
I live in Boise Idaho. Bush is here you know. Lots of helicopters, police and such as you would expect.
I posted a really stupid post about three days back on a thread asking for ideas about how Venezuelan President Chavez could distribute cheap gas to the poor in the U.S. as he offered. ( I just love that guy.)
OK- I offered that I had no idea because I don’t and then my pathological need to be a smart ass had to butt in and I said something about maybe your could jellify it (the gas) and drop it on the Crawford ranch and distribute it from there. I don’t care how many posts I get telling me how stupid a thing that was to say. I know. I know. Technically I threatened the Prez of the U.S.
Granted I do not believe in violence. I do not own a plane nor can I afford enough gas to fill my tank. My intention was not to physically threaten the President of the United States OK? I have no intention of physically harming the president or anyone. I am a full blown pacifist.
Now then, tin foil hat time. I swear the following is true and happened today.
My wife came to my place of work today looking very shaken. She is a straight shooter. Raising our two kids most admirably.
She told me that as she and the kids and the neighbors were sitting outside
On lawn chairs a (Blackhawk?) helicopter started flying closer in circles around our apartment complex. We do not live that far from the airport. Our neighbors commented about the craft until it came so close that it got spooky and everyone went inside their respective apartments.
My wife then relates: The copter flew slow and low over the pond in front of our porch, low enough to cause a water backwash. She then watched the craft with the side doors open very close to her with two figures in the bay and one looking straight at her took my wifes picture!
Anyone still with me here? Not making this up. The copter flew over the apartment complex a little more and then left.
My thoughts:
1-One more time. I apologize for the stupid stupid comment about the gas. I hate everything Bush stands for but I am totally non violent OK?
2- My wife and I are still quite shaken. I did not see it when it occurred but
my wife said something to the effect that for the safety of our children maybe we shouild not comment on politics anymore.
3- Is that why the expensive fly over? Why did police not come to our door and simply ask questions? Even our fundie neighbors are shaken. Think of a helicopter buzzing your house and taking a picture of you.
4- I report this with the same trepidation one must have reporting a flying saucer event. I don’t care. Thiis happened. I am posting this to relate the event, to tell those who monitor this site that I present no threat to the president and I am sure that that post was what got me in trouble.
5. I will likely post to DU just as often as ever. I cannot speak for my wife but I will never cease my right to criticize my government.
Finally, to whoever was in charge of todays helicopter fly over… next time just call, drop by and see me at work if you want. Gas is expensive and that helicopter must have cost a lot to intimidate a non viiolent citizen and his spouse. (The kids do not seem fazed by the way.)
P.S all Duers- Writing a post like this is the last thing I thought I would be doing. I do not crave this kind of attention at all. I care a lot about taking care of those in my charge. All I can say is this happened. This is my interpretation. I would love to hear from someone who can explain it all away as a movie stunt. Was Google just updating their sat pix?
Guess I might get audited next year huh?

[bobbieinok]

1. really scary!!!!!

[mike_c]

2. fuck 'em if they can't take a joke....

eom

[Loge23]

3. they're going to need a lot of blackhawks

EOM

[Tesla]

7. We all need to keep our eyes open and our freedom to speak our mind

This is scary, sure,but also makes you want to make sure they aren't taking our freedoms.

[steve2470]

4. how would they get your information ?

I mean, I know with a court order they could probably force DU to give it to them but otherwise :shrug:

[niallmac]

10. I am afraid my name is the same

on other sites, professional sites etc. I can't imagine it would be too hard. I know I sound really paranoid but what happened, happened. What's the other possibility?

[Whoa_Nelly]

15. I thought we could be tracked outside of DU

or anywhere else we "go" online, through the Interent and our ISPs...do I need better techie info?

[Rich Hunt]

18. what do you mean, where do they get it?

They buy it. They want information on someone, they can buy it. There is a network in place, a "club", if you will.

There is also a little thing they call "social engineering". You can read about this stuff on cracker sites.

[KerryOn]

42. Carnavor....

I believe that is what it is called. A black box installed at your internet provider. At least thats what they were trying to get passed about five few years ago. It is probably part of the Patriot Act.

[steve2470]

44. That is what it's called. Also "Echelon" is the most common one.

I had a naiive moment. "They" can find out anything quickly.

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html

[Eloriel]

67. But spelled Carnivore?? Or so I thought. n/t

[kestrel91316]

72. I betcha they already have files on ALL US TRAITORS,

complete with our underwear size.

Right, Agent Mike??

[DemInDistress]

5. Truth is stranger than fiction...

I applaude you my friend for having the heart to say what you feel.
Blackhawks helicopters buzzing your home welcome to the New America.
If their were truly a GOD watching over this Earth surely he's strike down this fucking asshole we have as a President...Good luck to you my friend !!!!!

[HamdenRice]

6. This would mean a lot of things we don't want to believe like ...

the dept of homeland security (or FBI or some other agency) scrutinizes DU. Also that the agency hacks into DU's data base to identify your post with an email address. And that it hacks your service provider to connect your email address with your real address.

Or that DU and your email service provider were subpoena'd, gave that information and neither the agency nor DU nor the service provider told you.

It might just be a coincidence.

On edit: You might want to ask the administrators.

[Rich Hunt]

13. why do you think it's the government?

Could be right-wing wealthy interests who would like to intimidate you and undermine your faith in government all at once.

They've been arguing in favor of demolishing the government for years...you think this wouldn't be their ultimate goal?

[Kazak]

26. All they'd need would be his name...

Once they have that, a phone book will work quite nicely.

:shrug:

[HamdenRice]

47. Does DU have your name?

I don't think when you register you have to give a name here -- only an email address (unless you contribute). So they would have to connect him to an email address here, and then somehow get the name from the email address. And if the email address is a free one from eg hotmail, it gets difficult.

[marbuc]

36. I wouldn't be surprised if DHS

scrutinizes DU. I just read an article that said DHD, FBI, etc. are placing a higher priority on "ecoterrorists" than right wing terrorists like Eric Rudolph and Tim McVeigh. It's ALL about politics with this Administration.

[kestrel91316]

74. I have no doubt that DHS considers the political opposition

(such as us) to be enemies of the state right on par with OBL. The only question is when will they start rounding US up and shipping us to Gitmo to die of old age?

[The Doctor.]

70. I couldn't possibly give a shit if they do...

Honestly, they have quite a few people to track.

If you create enough discontent and dissidence in society that you have to resort to these tactics, you've already lost.

Too bad Leo never got around to teaching that part to his students.

You shouldn't have to worry. If people start to disappear now, there will be very serious questions making the general populace uneasy. The last thing you want is an uneasy populace with 2nd amendment rights.

But then again... I wouldn't put anything past these people.

[growlypants]

8. Its ok for Robertson to call for someones assassination, but

an american citizen cant even make a joking refrence about dropping napalm on the crawford ranch??? I smell a double standard here. Did they discern that you were physically UNABLE to produce said napalm??? That helicopter shit is scary. this govt is scary.

[steve2470]

9. If I were you, I might write Skinner and talk to him

I'm assuming that the Blackhawk(?) helicopter guy was government and not some jackass with a very strange and dangerous sense of humor.

[lildreamer316]

14. WHERE in the hell

would a PRIVATE CITIZEN get a BLACKHAWK????
It is what you think it is.
Van Halen: Right now our government is doing things we think only other governments do.

[steve2470]

17. We don't know it's a Blackhawk.

Besides, I could conceivably see some idiot in the military doing something really really stupid, which I'm sure is illegal and against all policies.

[niallmac]

48. I will be the first to say I am no helicopter expert

but my wife says the picture in your post is very similiar to the one she saw...she wouldnt' know a Blackhawk from a Huey but we do see the national guard copters on weekends and she says it looked the same as those. I wonder why the picture taking. So close mind.

[steve2470]

50. Huey photos at this link

http://images.google.com/images?q=Huey%20helicopter&hl=en&hs=hfk&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&sa=N&tab=wi

[niallmac]

16. We have a lot of national guard copters around here

on weekends so we know them pretty well. Two hospital choppers in town but they of course are easy to identify. I think a note to Skinner is a good idea. Right now my wife and I feel still feel shook.

[Whoa_Nelly]

11. Does this mean

that we here on DU are under scrutiny 24/7?

Shaky and scary...and very, very strange.

[niallmac]

As I understand electronic surveillance...

key words etc are triggers for attention. That may have happened. Hey, I am making an assumption here maybe because I feel guilty about the dumb post and so am jumping to conclusions but so then what the hell happened?
I'll get over it. Weird man.

[Frederik]

90. Yes, that's how it works

There was a lot on this in the media after 9/11, I recall. This system (Echelon etc) had been in place for years prior to that. Reportedly, supercomputers at Fort Mead can read through all content on the entire Internet in half an hour. They search for "suspicious" combinations of words.

This is technology the Stasi and the KGB could only dream of in their heyday.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. What, did they run out of real terraists to hunt down?

:shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. Yikes! Be safe.

[steve2470]

20. The usual MO for the Secret Service is to come talk to you in person

I've heard about it a lot. They come check you out and then leave you alone if you're harmless.

[niallmac]

23. Thank You! That's what I thought!

Maybe I need to take a vacation. My thoughts are that we may be on the flight path of the prez's chopper when he flys to the airport and they were checking out buildings in the area.

[steve2470]

24. Does your wife think it looked like this chopper ?

also, at this link are a whole page of Blackhawk pics:

http://images.google.com/images?q=blackhawk%20helicopter&hl=en&hs=4r4&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&sa=N&tab=wi

[jobycom]

34. That's far more likely

The SS wouldn't waste time intimidating someone, they'd show up and ask you what you were up to. They don't go for subtle scare tactics, because there's no way they can be sure you'd get the message. They will show up, give you the message, check you out, and leave. They aren't mafioso, they are just doing a job. They don't play games.

There are a hundred possibilities, and the idea that they were trying to scare you is way down the list. They may have been checking out all buildings in the area, and were just photographing your building, not your wife. It could have been some film crew scouting for a commercial or film. Or developers looking for a site (I had a helicopter land across the street from me once for that. They took pictures of my father's service station. A few weeks later they made him a bid on it.)

I had an Air Force buddy who told stories about taking jets out for joyrides. He and a pal once flew two jets from coast to coast, dogfighting the whole way, just to hang out for a night in San Francisco. Their CO had ordered it because they needed the flight hours.

Were the men in uniform or suits? Were the pilots in uniform? As far as I know, the SS uses military helicopters and pilots.

Anyway, they visited your wife, not you. If they had gotten your name, they'd have found where you lived and worked, and who your spouse is, but they'd have looked for you, not her.

Most likely a coincidence. Call the airport, complain about low-flying pilots. Maybe they know what was up, or can tell you who to call.

[steve2470]

38. That was a great post

I always like to get new info like that. Truth is stranger than fiction.

[Generic Other]

79. When B*sh came to my town he flew right over the house

when he left. I'm too close to military flightpath. Those freaky helicopters also buzzed our neighborhood alot just before. And when Cheney came it happened too.

I think it's just elevated alerts created by administration visits. Plus hot shot pilots showing off.

[TankLV]

85. I would like to believe it was innocent enough or maybe there's serious

reports of a crack house in your complex or something.

I know because the next door complex to mine had a unit explode and they later found out it was a crack house - and I live in a "nice section" of town.

My assistant scout master when I was a kid was in the Airforce Reserves - and he used to drop real low and buzz our house with his C5A cargo plane when he returned to Niagara Falls AFB. Imagine a bright sunny day and all of a sudden it starts getting real dark and soon loud noice and shaking - needless to say, he only did this a couple times before he was "requested" by his unit to cease such frivolity!

But with the climate today, I wouldn't rule anything out.

[KerryOn]

46. Maybe the helicopter pilot....

... had a friend that lived in the complex and he wanted to take his or her picture from the air?

Who knows?

[KC21304]

21. How many people live in your apartment complex ?

How would they know the people they were taking a picture of were your family ? I can see how you and your family would feel intimidated but I can't imagine that they would have acted this quickly on something you wrote 3 days ago. I'm not trying to dismiss your feelings, but I think something else accounts for what happened in your area today.

[niallmac]

27. I would guess a few hundred.

Oh I am beginning to feel pretty dumb about this now. How would they know? My wife however keeps saying be careful about what you write. She saw it and she is pretty shook up. I don't mind being completely wrong about this. I wrote the post pretty full of adrenaline.

[steve2470]

31. I don't blame you for being shaken up

To me, that chopper visit smacks of 1-complete overkill reserved for some very dangerous type character or 2- some idiot who thinks that's funny. I would consider reporting it to the cops and writing to Skinner. And being very careful what you say online from now on. I always make it abundantly clear that anyone reading my posts knows I am not violent in the least.

[karlrschneider]

66. With this bunch of criminals in the BFEE, paranoia isn't abnormal, BUT

given some of the emails, posts in many forums using my real name (which is what I use here at DU), if -anybody- would be a target of the fascists, I would think I would be one. I keep a pretty close watch on my surroundings and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary...so I'm thinking and hoping your experience was probably innocuous. If not, let us know from Gitmo. :D

[AuntPatsy]

22. I wouldn't worry about it but if I were you I would go and complain

this could have had an adverse effect on your children, obviously, this terrified your wife, I don't care what they think you were, if they were all that worried you were a threat, they should have knocked on your door like you said..

Bottom line is that can use the highest tech surveilence equipment more than likely knowing what is going to happen to you before you know it yourself, it was fear tactics NOTHING more...

Complain and do it tommorow...they work for you, don't forget that, they answer to you!

[niallmac]

29. Good point. And as my head clears i see that

of course you are absolutely right. I am guessing these were the national guard helicopters that are based at Gowan Field near here. I will inquire with the commander tomorrow. Great idea!

[AuntPatsy]

30. Let us know what happens, and really DO IT okay ;-) Didn't mean

to be pushy...

[kbm8795]

25. Of course you both were shaken. . .

and this helicopter incident is an outrage. These intimidation tactics are designed to quiet people up - and in your case, you did nothing to really physically threaten the President on here anyway. For godsakes, Pat Robertson can spout on his entire network about how the State Department should be nuked and that the U.S. should assassinate Venezuela's Prez, and he can still openly broadcast his crap without any low helicopter visits.

Frankly, I'm wondering if you should write your congressman about this incident and how frightened your wife was - AND ask about the government being able to take photographs of her INSIDE your apartment without both permission and/or cause.

You deserve some kind of reasonable explanation. This nation, despite the increasing attitude of the American Legion and the neo-con fascists, does not operate on intimidation of private citizens.

[niallmac]

37. You know, you DUers are a godsend.

Lots of logical calming advice. I am getting a little more pissed now and a little less scared.
I have a busy job but I will squeeze in the calls to the appropriate folks...National Guard and our representative. Even if this was not about my post what the hell are they up to?

[LSK]

41. yes, be pissed, but put the energy to good use

Contact whoever you got to. Bring the incident to light. Even contact the media if you must. Just watch what you say sometimes. You are entitled to know what that was about.

[niallmac]

43. that's my plan n/t

[niallmac]

45. This is a very red place but I sort of respect Butch Otters

willingness to take a stand on things like calling the Patriot Act BS. He would be the person I would actually trust. He is oh so very republican otherwise but hey this aint Berkley.

[growlypants]

28. You CANT stop commenting on politics. Then they have won.

Thats exactly what they want you to do. Dont let them silence you!!! That was all an attempt to scare you, which it obviously did.

[niallmac]

32. No, I have a lot to say yet about AssHat

and the damage he has done to the America I once knew. i know my rights. This just caught me totally off guard and as one poster suggested, could have beent the intention. So weird though. Damn!

[growlypants]

33. But if they were REALLY CONCERNED about you, they woulda

hauled your ass outta work in a second or sent some sorta swat team into you napalm ridden apt (lol). This was an attempt by the damn govt to scare someome who DARED (gasp!) speak out against them. I dont see any Blackhawks circling Pat Robertson's estate, and he blatantly ASKED that someone kill the democratically elected president of a soverign country. GOD.....the HYPOCRISY of these people

[niallmac]

40. Agreed and agreed. nt

[TankLV]

86. Don't forget that asswipe Strom Thurmond and his remarks to Clinton.

[Pithlet]

35. I'm not doubting that things happen as you say.

I'm just not sure it happened because of what you posted. I would think posts like yours, if they attract any interest at all, would garner a knock on the door type of thing, not a swarm around a building at close range and take pictures surveillence. There could be other explanations for what happened, bizaare as it seems. But, things are crazy now, so who knows.

[niallmac]

39. Well as the adrenaline settles

I am tending to agree with you. I was always the kind of kid if my dad looked accusingly in my direction I would confess to my latest guilty action. No, I am just going to inquire tomorrow first with the National Guard commander and my life flight helicopter friend who knows a lot of the pilots here and find out what happened.
I promise to post an update ASAP for everyones trouble.

[ck4829]

49. What time did this happen?

Something similar happened to me today.

[niallmac]

53. This happened about 3PM

My wife now says she just saw the guy in the bay holding something and then she saw a flash and wonders if the sun was reflecting off some equipment. Hey, I have no problem correcting this story as we calm down. So camera, reflection? Also striking is that the copter flew at least 4 or 5 over passes the last one being the close up.

[ck4829]

54. I heard a helicopter for a while at about 4:30-4:40 PM

Never saw it though, and had no idea what it was doing. It was circling and it was close.

[tlsmith1963]

51. So If I Say...

...right now that someone should take Bush out, some helicopter is going to fly over my house, & yet Robertson can say that someone should take Chavez out & no one does anything?

Actually, I *did* see a helicopter flying over the river near here the other day...:scared:

Tammy

[niallmac]

55. You know, I don't know.

That's why I posted that all i can do is report what happened. Very high energy here with the president in town. Someone accidentally flew into the private air space around Donelly where Bush is/was staying and an F-15 from Mtn Home intercepted with a flare, he landed and was questioned. At least I'm not that guy.

[NuttyFluffers]

97. Imagine the gas you could force them to waste! :D

seriously though, it's ok to be afraid, everyone does at some point, but silence=death. never let them silence you when you still have will and breath in your body. remember the clear and present danger judicial ruling, you're safe in your 1st amendment speech -- and be sure to hold a warm apple pie with a beatific smile to confound them. dangerously decadent pastries are not weapons of mass destruction. :+

[Cleita]

52. Well, sometimes you have to be careful what you say on

this and other political websites if you care about your family. I'm sure we all have files. I know I have one. They tampered with my tax return. They weren't even honest enough to just audit me. But for me I don't really care what they do. But you shouldn't say anything even in joking that sounds like a threat.

I wouldn't really worry. They will move on to the next person they are paranoid about in no time. As a matter-of-fact a helicopter is hovering over where I live. It happens frequently. I'll go out and wave at them.

[niallmac]

56. I just want to know why it was necessary

to buzz our apartment. This is a good size complex. My wife says the copter never
hovered they did slow fly bys close enough to look at the figures inside. My wife was really freaked. She packed the kids and drove to see me. If this was someones joke then I will for sure find out about it. To quote my wife right now; " I thought,Jjesus, did these guy drop a contact lense?"

[Cleita]

57. Because using our military for intimidation is what they do.

These people are really dishonorable, dangerous people who have managed to grab our government and military for their own uses. But like all bullies, they are really cowards in the long run. Look how Bush is running from Cindy.

[niallmac]

59. But Us?

We are pretty active but there are others in this red town who put us to shame.
My wife wonders if we are on a list because we lived in Saudi Arabia for almost a decade?
I worked there.

[Cleita]

62. Who knows? I think you are overreacting. They really can't

do much and are trying to intimidate you. You can request your records under the FOIA (freedom of information act), but it's not worth it for this. If it continues though you may want to research more what is going on. Just be smart about it.

[im10ashus]

61. This all just reeks of paranoia.

I'm sorry. But I can't imagine that a trite statement you made here on DU, or any other message board, would lead to this. I have seen far more damaging comments on here than yours and nothing has come of it. Not to dismiss your anxiety, which is palpable, but it just doesn't seem likely they would start photographing your building in such an obvious manner. If the SS, FBI or CIA had some beef with your they would certainly not start their investigation of you in such an obvious way. Especially for such a low-grade comment. Cheers.

[niallmac]

64. Understood. I will do my best to try to determine

what was going on.
People in the compound seem to feel it was a Blackhawk
The number of passes it made are reported as 10 to 12.
Our neighbor saw the flash also from the side door and to her is
seemed to look like a strobe burst.
Paranoia absolutely! But innocent or of evil intent, I want to know the reason
for flying like that around a residential area.
No need for FOIA I should think. Just a phone call or two.

[im10ashus]

65. And nobody took a picture of this?

Where are you located? I'll see if I can dig something up from the internet. It just seems strange that none of your news outlets have commented on it. Did you report it to your local news affiliate?

[niallmac]

68. We live in a corner of the complex

I was at work. I would like to think I would have had the presence of mind to take pictures if I was here.
I don't know if anyone on the compound took any pix. I have a small digital camera and my wife cannot use the thing anyway due to her tremor. I think she was in increasing panic mode.
As for the local news. Helicopters have been flying all over town. Bush is in town. This is Bush country dont ya know. i just dont think anyone will pay attention to this unless I contact the paper for example.
I sent an email to the Air National Guard at Gowan field which has Blackhawk UH 60 helicopters I have learned. I will try to reach the Commanders office tomorrow from work.
Understant the town is pretty ga ga over the bush visit.
I just spoke to our fundie neighbor who confirms my wifes story. She saw the flash strobe thing whatever it was. Hey, I am still open to some reasonable explanation. First I want to know who was flying here in broad daylight and why.

[SmokingJacket]

94. Yeah, but.

The helicopters were there anyway, because Bush is in town. They're probably bored. And buzzing someone is a lot more intimidating, and there's probably no record of it... unlike if there's a visit.

The post wasn't a legitimate threat, and the response wasn't a real one either (if it was a response, I have no idea). It could have been just a little showing off.

(There are certainly people whose job includes monitoring the Internet for "threats." And why wouldn't they come by DU once in a while? It's far more entertaining than most sites. I bet even Knitters Against Bush gets a visit once in while.)

That said... I think the larger problem is that we have a government that a lot of us have no trust in, at all.

[niallmac]

58. Thanks for helping me calm down!

Very good group for sorting things out. My initial paranoia has mellowed.
Lots of level heads out there amongst all you loony liberals.
I will try to get some answers to this event tomorrow and let you all know.
This is still Idaho and what at first seems nefarious usually boils down to something stupid.
This business was not very funny however.

[Pithlet]

60. Buzzing residents with big helicopters is bad

no matter the reason. I hope you get to the bottom of things.

[dbeach]

63. been black buzzed myself

8/15 on my local beach site ..then later same day very close to my home..
last yr..we had a mini VN Vets reunion at my home about 2 miles from the Atlantic..3 helicopters buzzed so close ..my buddy saw it and we are still laffin about it..
We are the honorably discharaged VN Veterans and true Patriots..

WE are not the sons of privlege and money who have committed TREASON againt the US Citizens amongst numerous other crimes..

They are under citizens arrest for 9/11 and will be eventually indicted...BUT the Citizens need to keep speaking out.

11/00

9/11

11/02/04

FRAUD espionage and treason ..the illegal presidency of bush/cheny and their diebold machines is unraveling...AGAIN bush did the TREASON including bush sr ..not me ,not my Vet pals and not you the readers..

Veterans say regime change begins at home.

[niallmac]

69. Thank you for serving and practicing democracy! Can you tell me if

any of this strobe or flash business makes sense? Pictures? Maybe you guys presented a real threat being vets and having the audacity to speak out and needed some intimidation.
We are pretty much low lying libs in a red briar patch. If intimidation was the reason for our air show I'd say it was a waste of gas. Could be some really stupid reason but it shook us up and I don't like that.

[SlowDownFast]

76. Whatever the reason your apt complex was buzzed

the odds that 'they' were targeting you or your family is (next to) nil.

This coming from an extreme paranoid who has worked for Greenpeace and participated in protests at the Nevada Test Site and been arrested (among numerous other various protests), talked to and taunted various federal agents at Rainbow Gatherings, witnessed a real hovering 'black helicopter' at a New Mexico Gathering in the middle of the National Forest and at the Test Site (taking pictures), and some other real sketchy situations that I won't go into.

I've had my picture taken in custody and have witnessed 'them' trying (unsuccessfully) to take my picture on another occasion.

Trust me, they wouldn't go through all that trouble you describe just to take a picture of you, your wife or your specific apartment.

There is another logical explaination for what your wife and neighbors witnessed.

Also, I wouldn't make too much of a stink with authorities about this, except only to complain and inquire why a helicopter buzzed so close and low to your complex and woke your sleeping baby (if you know what I mean). It's okay to tell your friends what happened and joke about the 'men in black' and surmise what happened, but I wouldn't go as far as explaining to authorities why you think you might have been 'targeted' (again, if you know what I mean).

Relax a little.

[niallmac]

84. Oh absolutely I do know what you mean.

Thanks much for your post. You have walked the walk. No, I'm just a concerned citzen at this point. Askin questions.

[dbeach]

78. no.

they rule by fear.

secret balck helo copters are not normal in my neighborhood.

its all about the 1984 state that bush is trying to ram dowm our throats.
if they were really interested in anyone ..they could come in under the patsy act or some other baloney..

bush is the WH occupant..2 stolen elections= 2 coups

9/11 an additional coup.
Bush is the criminal not law abiding citizens and his secret goons know it....I would keep talkin about it and let me pals know just to be safe....

[The Doctor.]

71. Your instincts are good...

Make plenty of noise.

Did you tell your neighbors why you think this happened?

I wouldn't be too specific beyond saying you posted some 'anti-Bush' stuff. Many people will be happy to justify anything.

Let people at work know what happened and why too.

And then laugh about it, 'cause they {men in black} made you feel 'special'.

"So too to you two too."

[niallmac]

73. Yes. Survival is always on my mind.

I have pretty much behaved as you suggest. I know I am skating on Tin Foil Hat territory
but I think I have a handle on things. What happened was not appropriate. Someone needs to answer a question or two.

[The Doctor.]

80. So long as you are aware...

that the answer may not ever come;

You will do fine.

[niallmac]

81. You know...if no one has an answer I do my LTTE.

This isn't DC. This is Boise and Boise isn't all that big yet and even the repubs don't like
pushy stuff in civilian neighborhoods.

[The Doctor.]

95. That'll be difficult to justify...

You would have to admit that you suggested dropping napalm in Crawford... however jokingly.

The problem with that is how that could reflect on you.

But a helicopter storming your home?

-That's WAY over the top.

Your call... either way, good luck.

[Robb]

75. Time for me to tell my story about the feds visiting again:

It was shortly after I posted something, er, inflammatory. :D

I heard a knock on my door, and looked out the window. There on the doorstep were two men in their late 20's, early 30's. Dark suits, neat ties, short cropped hair, sunglasses. White Suburban parked behind them. VERY serious look on their faces.

Good lord, I thought. It's the feds. :wow:









Turned out to be Mormons on mission. :D

Moral: relax.

[niallmac]

82. Ha Ha Ha!

:rofl: LDS is big here but I don't know if they have an air force yet.

[rman]

96. Mormons have helicopters now?

[AnnInLa]

77. The most emotional thread ever on DU was the one on the day after

this last pres election when one DUer said he was fed up with hiding behind his user-name, was proud of being a Dem and a liberal, and then posted his full name and town and state. After his post, many, many DUers joined that thread and posted their real names and some posted where they live. It was incredibly moving...and, I don't care if they have my name and address or not.

[niallmac]

83. Wow!

This is a collection of real people here that is for sure. I have made DU business cards to give to people so they will remember to log in and check this place out. Lots of folks of like minds are ignorant of DU.

[Maru Kitteh]

87. Keep those receipts Hoss.

Wouldn't surprise me A BIT. I know I'm saving every scrap in well organized files.

I sent one of those Bush & Pickles 04 birdcage liners back to his campaign in the postage paid envelopes with some creative writing and a few rocks. I'm probably on the same list as you.

Oh yeah, and you lurking spooky SS and other Mo-Fo's? If you are just here to do your job then I can respect that. Those of you who've drunk the kool-aid, who are just out to harass? May I suggest some appropriate reading?

[Miss Chybil]

88. Seems they could have gotten her picture in a less dramatic

fashion - like from the Department of Motor Vehicles, along with yours. Picking her out from the air in an apartment complex seems a little, not being disrespectful, far-fetched. Maybe, it was for an advertisement for the complex? Or, some other commercial reason? There are companies that specialize in aerial photography. There could have been a crime committed in the complex and attorneys needed photos. There could be any number of reasons for someone to take an aerial photograph of your complex, which your wife happened to be sitting in.

If I worked for the government and I was going to pull surveillance on somebody, I wouldn't do it from a Blackhawk. I might follow them to the mall, or whatever. If I was Secret Service, I'd probably knock on your door and ask you a few questions. Maybe, even take you for a little ride, but I wouldn't land in your front yard in an attack helicopter. A nice sedan would do, or an SUV.

Take a chill pill. If they want you, they'll walk right up and get you. This isn't a movie.

[lonestarnot]

89. WTF! Did she report them to the FAA LOL! What is a person to do

Did she stick her tongue out at them like the bushitler twins! or give them the peace sign?

[niallmac]

99. Next, time...next time.n/t

[LoKnLoD]

91. I was at the SLC protest

and the cops were walking the crowd filming the faces of all the protesters with a video camera, I'm sure that request came from the Feds.

[jbnow]

92. Sometimes boys

will be boys. Maybe they were on some assignment and decided to show off, freak people out. And if there was pictures, is your wife pretty? Or even just looking really scared?

I know that sounds dumb, but if they are ruling out them knowing your name and family from your little post and if this was a government vehicle I was just wondering if it could be boys at play, stupidly.

[niallmac]

98. I am answering your comment a day later and

I tend to agree. As I mentioned earlier. Most things nefarious in Idaho turn out just to be stupid.

[CrispyQ]

93. Just an out there thought from someone who knows nothing about

explosives & is even scared of sparklers. Perhaps jellifying an explosive is something that they do in making bombs & that is what triggered an inquiry? Or like the poster above mentioned, perhaps your lovely wife caught the eye of the chopper pilot. :)

You will probably never know. However, I always keep in mind that we no longer have any expectation of privacy, even in the privacy of our homes, thanks to that piece of shit Patriot Act. I've even joked to my husband that perhaps we should start strategically placing a hair on the doors & windows while we are out so we will know if our house was entered into. :(

Horrified as I am at what my country is becoming, I simply do not worry too much day to day about such possibilities. Other than speaking out & working to change things, what else can I do? I'd go stark raving mad if I let paranoia grip me 24x7.

The best to you & your family.

[niallmac]

100. Agreed and thanks.n/t

[Carni]

101. Geez, I wonder if they know of my plans... to flap my wings

and fly over over the residents pigsty (manually) to shit on bush's head -- I may eat berries or foul colored plants beforehand and I plan on making a few bird like squawking noises as a cover...just for good measure.

The day I stop my silly jokes and sarcastic remarks about that asshole in chief, will be a very cold day in hell.