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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:19 AM
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The reddest red states.
When Bush went to Utah and Idaho to do his anti-Cindy campaign it made me wonder just who the reddest of the red states were. I was in Idaho a few weeks ago and never saw one person of color anywhere so I wondered about it. According to the website listed below, here are the top 10 red states in order:

Utah
Wyoming
Idaho
Nebraska
Oklahoma
North Dakota
Alabama
Kansas
Alaska
Texas (Alaska and Texas tied)

I think we better quit focusing on the south as the red state problem area.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:21 AM
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1. Durn, I was born in one, now live in one and one is my favorite.
How the heck did I end up liberal?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:45 AM
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10. I know what you mean.
These states are very beautiful. They really are great places to live if you love the outdoors. (Just never talk politics and you'll be o.k.)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:22 AM
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2. Other than Texas (in that group) the EVs are very small
for the amount of "work" it would be to change the hearts & 'minds'..

The states in the south are actually purple, and their EVs make them a more attractive goal :)
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If you exclude Texas, and add the state populatrions forthe others, you'd be amazed at how FEW actual humans there are in those places :eyes:
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ecoflame Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:49 AM
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11. EVs?
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 09:50 AM by ecoflame
What's an EV?

Oh, yeah - electoral vote...I figured it out.


I'll be back - going to get coffee!!!
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:22 AM
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3. North Dakota not necessarily all that Red
They've got two Dem senators and Ed Schultz broadcasts out of Fargo. The local sugar beet industry is going to get shellacked by CAFTA.
It's never going to be a Massachusetts on the prairie or anything, but it's not as monochromatic as some of the numbers would indicate.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:22 AM
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4. With the exception of Texas
none of those states have a lot of electoral votes.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:22 AM
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5. Although several of those states have a low population density.
That's why the South is so important.
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jbonkowski70 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:24 AM
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6. Um...
Why focus efforts on turning a very red state slightly less red when you can win over a state that's on the fence?

Of course, that's statewide office or national politics.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:37 AM
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8. Exactly.
Except for Alabama, in the south it would not take very much to tip the scales to the blue side. Whenever I see a "let's write off the south" thread, I want to say, "No! That's where we have the biggest chance." Just a little encouragement and work there would go a long way.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:30 AM
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7. Kansas is no longer red.
Our support for dumbass has dropped below 50%. I believe that is true for a couple of those states.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:42 AM
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9. I was born and raised in Idaho.
It is Very Red! However, like many posters have said, it is a small state with few electorates. My Repub. parents who live there were very disappointed at the few times they were visited by the presidential candidates due to this fact.

I think Shrub must be feeling quite desperate if he had to go to Idaho to boost morale for the war. The majority of states would have booed him off the stage! It's a great sign! Let him hang out in Idaho and Utah. He's not wanted anywhere else (not even in his home state with Cindy there).
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:08 AM
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14. He's not wanted here
On a workday, 3000+ protesters came out in SLC for his visit.

Did you know Utah was Blue in the 60s??
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:48 AM
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17. I'm glad to hear Utah was blue once.
I shouldn't have stereotyped Utah with Idaho. Yet, Utah, on many levels, is even more conservative than Idaho. I'm glad to hear there are people in the trenches trying to turn it around.

Way to go Utah protesters! :patriot:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:33 AM
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19. no worries - we ARE the reddest of the red today ... but we'll change that
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:54 AM
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12. If you ever read "The Nine Nations of North America"
you would recognise the majority of that list to be what the author called "The Empty Quarter". Extraction industries comprise about 50% of the economy, low population density. Highly value their 'rugged independence' while depending on government largess, such as mining rights, grazing rights on government land, government jobs because the government owns half the real estate.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:16 AM
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15. Youbetcha.. If those "ranchers" had to pay fair prices
for grazing land, they would be growing veggies in a backyard plot of ground. The US government lets them "use" public land for PENNIES , and do we get cheaper prices?? Nope. The ranchers just keep adding to the herds and pocketing the excess moolah..

It's been ages ago, but a place we used to camp in Wyoming (in a national park area) was so loaded with cattle, that you had to wade thru cow-poo to even get close to some of the small lakes.,.(we passed)..
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:56 AM
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13. Facts about the SOUTH? WOW!
Great post! It gets really old reading all of the South bashing threads around here.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:40 AM
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16. Only the friendliest confines for our Courageous Leader
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:52 AM
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18. Why do they have to have Wyoming?
I bet that many of the people in this western state are "libertarians" who are really clueless right-wingers in disguise. Otherwise, how the hell could they vote for the Republicans?
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