Jon Stewart vs. Hitchens... what happened tonight....

[DougieZero]

Some people see these excited threads and probably think it's being exaggerated, but this was the real deal. It was a smart intellectual debate and was won by Jon Stewart... it was a dismantling point by point... done the honest way.... no shouting, no screaming... it was calm and devastating to Hitchens. It’s was basically everything you wish you could do if you had 7 minutes with a hardcore war supporter.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. I Am Convinced And Will Definitely Watch At 11 Here In CA

[oldtime dfl_er]

12. can hardly wait!

Im in Seattle and I'll probably tape it and watch it twice!

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/654252

[Cha]

2. I'll watch it on Crooks and

Liars tomorrow night!

[peekaloo]

3. I got my wish. I wanted to see Stewart "Goldberg" him and he did!

Thank you Daily Show, oh heavenly creator of all things politically funny.

[MindPilot]

4. Thanks to everyone in the eastern zone for the heads up!!!!

I'm setting up the VCR now...no way I'm gonna make it to 2300.

[zoeb]

5. This was the first time I saw Hitchens but

I didn't get the impression he was a huge supporter of Bush. He agreed with something Jon said and then Hitchens said, "You go to war with the president you have" like he understood Dubya wasn't up to the task.

Jon should have did the entire show with Hitchens because it was great to watch.

edit to apologize for spoiling a little!

[DougieZero]

7. his buddy is David Horowitz nt/

[zoeb]

9. ick!!!

I think he left his Horowitz influence in the green room...or some of it anyway.

[liberalpragmatist]

8. Hitchens is a weird guy

And some happen to think the whole thing is an act - he's a notorious contrarian.

He's actually a hardcore, pinko leftist on economic issues. He used to often write for the Nation and used to attack the Labor Party and much of the English and American political cultures from the left.

But he couples this with being a hardcore Neo-Con. He wrote an article in The Nation (of all places) endorsing Bush for his neocon tendencies. Then he wrote on Slate that he was voting for Kerry on competency issues.

[zoeb]

11. That explains what I saw on tonight's show

He was definitely pro-war but not pro-Bush.

[punpirate]

14. I think the emphasis should be on...

... "used to often write...."

Hitchens reminds me greatly of Jack Kerouac in his waning days--quarrelsome, authoritarian in tone and starting to lose his perspective. Just plain too much alcohol for far too long.

[bleever]

16. Wow. Now THAT is a cultural reference with some punch.

Thanks.

[fujiyama]

23. Yeah I recall when he claimed he would vote for Kerry

He's truly twisted but a fascinating character. I also remember him claiming that Clinton "raped" Cathleen Wiley. He has a pathalogical hatred of the Clintons, in the same vein as Richard Mellon Scaife, or the other rabid RW Clinton haters.

At the same time, I actually thought he had some good points on extremist Islam after 9/11 but of course he completely drank the kool aid and backed the administration on the war.

[LibertyorDeath]

26. "He's actually a hardcore"

Alcoholic.

That's why his views seem so convoluted

[seabeyond]

6. jon stewart called the right on dismissing people as anti war

that has long been needed said. and stewart did it. not about wanting to pull out, about bush incompetence

[stillcool]

10. 9/14/05 Galloway vs. Hitchens...

I think tonite was just the opening round...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4417937

[kaygore]

13. I hope you are right. Stewart needs to do more of this.

Instead of letting people off with pussy interviews.

[norml]

15. "You're a drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay,"

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[Al-CIAda]

18. Wow, Hitchens v. Galloway -THAT should be stellar. nt

[akarnitz]

17. It's up on Crooks&Liars

and I'm not so sure Stewart dismantled him point for point.

Hitchens seems to believe passionately in upholding the integrity, not to say the safety of the Iraqi people. However, it still mystifies me how he jumped in bed with the neocons. The 'cons wouldn't
dare use the human rights of Arabs as even the tertiary issue of justification of this invasion- it would come across as the "Clinton" thing to do to the base of their support AND it would get the Saudis all twisted up.

Hitchens did express displeasure in Chimpy, but he still towed the terrorism and WMD lines. Saddam harbored Abu Abbas. Saddam used gas on the Kurds. Both are givens. But, at the risk of sounding insensitive, these things ocurred quite a while back. And though the U.S. condemned these actions at some point in time, our government never deemed these as casus belli(sorry if my Latin grammar/spelling are off).

Hitchens also raised the point of the unfinished business of Desert Storm. Surely, unlike so many of those on the Rethug wagon, Hitchens is well aware of the objectives of the Coalition mandate in that war.
G.H.W. Bush decided the objective (of freeing Kuwait) had been met. Furtherance of hostilities on the part of the U.S. would have led to long term diplomatic damage between the U.S. and the rest of the world, much of the Coalition included, and unacceptable casualties to both the U.S. (and the Coalition members who might have chosen to stay on) and the Iraqi populace. And for what? Unlike Germany after WWI, Iraq's military had been shown for what it was and decimated. The Iraqi infrastructure was in ruins. The regime remained intact but toothless, but to their own people. They could not, in the forseen future, conduct an offensive war.

Like Hitchens, I deplore Saddam's human rights abuses. Unlike him, however, I could not stomach throwing my support to the neocon cabal, the people who so transparently rigged the WMD and terrorism evidence; who took under advisement an Ahmed Chalabi, infamous conman; who botched the capture of Osama Bin Laden. With two years of lies and deceit, of politicizing the most horriffic act to happen to the American people, of feeding the corporate interests at the expense of the American people(the same corporate interests that would profit most from this adventure) I could not support this war as led by G.W. Bush. And, after more than 1,800 U.S. deaths and god only knows how many Iraqi deaths, Hitchens, however altruistic his original intentions, should be ashamed to continue his support.

[Melodybe]

19. Bit Jon still did a great job speaking for the left

We are not anti-military, we are adults and hve justified reasons for questioning this president and this war.

I love how Jon talked about Bush's "Watergate polling numbers." I also thought that he got a lot out of Trent, the racist, shit head Senator of my state, Lott to admit that we went to war in the completely wrong way. Jon was nice and brutal all at the same time.

You have to pay attention when Jon is questioning a RWer, he is trying to get as much real information out of them as possible, it's amazing how off guard he gets them sometimes.

[akarnitz]

20. I'm not saying Stewart did a bad job,

but he seemed awfully chummy w/Hitch. Hell, I still agree w/most thing the old sot has to say. I just don't think that John totally
shredded Hitchens' arguments, but John did bring him down a few pegs.

BTW, Melodybe, I love seeing the Conyers avatars. He makes me proud to be a Michigander. Here, on the other side of the mitten, it's hard to find Dems. It must be the fumes from AMWAY....I mean ALTACOR(they changed their name, but not their practices). ;-)

[Melodybe]

21. Mississippians love John Conyers, he is such a hero!

I was surprised when I talked to a few people the other day, they were hoping that Morgan Freeman would challenge Barbour for Governor.

He'd win by a landslide, Freeman is incredibly popular in MS as well, ever since Shawshank Redemption he has been MS's favortie son.

[fujiyama]

25. Hehe you know speaking of Freeman

I was just thinkin if they ever made a movie about Conyers, Freeman would be a great choice to play him.

Good luck in getting Freeman to run for governor. I saw him being interviewed on CNN and he's very admirable himself.

[high density]

22. Has anybody ever kind of run off the set after the interview like that?

I think Hitchens knew he lost that one...

[akarnitz]

24. They tape in the early evening

and he was rushing so he could catch the end of Happy Hour.:beer:

[laylah]

27. The video is

now up at crooks and liars :woohoo: :woohoo:

jenn