Full Text of Iraqi Constitution (with a few key parts bolded)

[Roland99]

http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/08/26/full-text-of-proposed-iraqi-constitution/#more-83

[jonkronz2003]

1. Amend ours too...

they have some things we need, like the right to privacy (eliminate the Patriot Act)
Free Education
Health Care

bunch of liberals

[Roland99]

2. Ayup...I made note of those

;)

[BattyDem]

3. This isn't a Constitution, it's "Rule by Decree"

Article 2 makes it perfectly clear that Iraqis will have no rights unless the Islamic leaders say they can have them. :-(

Article (2): 1st Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation: (a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.

Part A of Article 2 makes Part B irrelevant:
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.

Um ... forcing people to live under religious law contradicts democracy! :eyes:

Everything in the document is irrelevant because of the "No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam" clause. Let's face it ... respect for human rights is not the hallmark of an Islamic state - and women will be reduced to nothing.

So ... the USA gets to go down in history as the country that actually made life worse for Iraqis than it was under a vicious dicator. What a proud day for America! :grr:

[whatever4]

4. I especially liked

(c) All forms of torture, mental or physical, and inhuman treatment are forbidden. There is no recognition of any confession extracted by force or threats or torture, and the injured party may seek compensation for any physical or mental injury that is inflicted. 2nd The state is committed to protecting the individual from coercion in thought, religion or politics, and no one may be imprisoned on these bases Hey! Can we get that added to OUR Constitution?

[Roland99]

5. Amazing, the hypocrisy of this administration.

[whatever4]

6. Yes, I don't get how so many fell for it

because they've been this way all along. You know? That's the real WTF to me, in all this. But, I have to remember, the election was stolen, and no matter how many ninnies didn't want to even consider the possibility; their votes were stolen too.

[Roland99]

7. I'll tell you why. One of two things: Personal pride or plain ignorance

I was a * supporter in the 2000 election. Even more so in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

However, after "mission accomplished", I began to doubt my opinions were valid. I took the hit to my pride and admitted I was wrong. If more people would do that (and it appears some *are* doing it but only in regards to Iraq, not other * policies) then the tide will truly turn.


As for the ignorant, they are beyond hope.

[whatever4]

8. That reminds me of my rants, egos, egos all

I used to rant and rail, when I posted on boards that had both conservatives and not, supporters and not, that it was their egos. I remember that, and I guess I'd have to say I was pretty insulting even, sometimes. But, in a way, I felt like the justifications for the war and other BushCo led initiatives (like SS, Bankruptcy, gay marriage) especially after a year into the war, were an insult to ME, to my intelligence.

I was highly ridiculed for worrying about what this war would do to our soldiers and about the draft, in the run-up to the Iraq war. It just wouldn't last long enough to affect my kids, or cause a draft, I was told. Won't last that long, won't hurt that many soldiers. So many folks really did believe it. But the war is still going on, and the draft is still a danger, far, FAR more so now, our soldiers have been run through a meat grinder, and what good did all their talk do? Got us into a hopeless war, that's what.

From my point of view, I figured a lot of people would be changing their minds, if the war didn't go well, and how could it not be a bitter pill? I know it would for me.

I don't mean to be insulting to you at all though, I'm glad you changed you mind! From people like me, I admire someone like you that will change their mind and say so. It's probably people just like you that have the most to offer to affect a change. People like me, that always disagreed, are probably not who the opposition even WANTS to admit they agree with.

If they agreed about that, they might find themselves expected (or unfortunately convinced) to agree that other liberal issues might be more reality based. So, it's not a road most war supporters want to go down, because though not all conservatives may support the war, I'd lay money that the vast majority of the war supporters are conservative.

But in this, it doesn't matter if you're conservative or not, because lies are lies, and conservatives don't deserve to be lied to any more than liberals. They don't deserve to be used more, either. BushCo uses anyone they can.

What I can't figure out is how anyone that gets close to this admin thinks they're safer that way. Thinks it's a wise choice, siding with the winners? They aren't safer; never trust a liar. They don't seem to understand that, once they signed on, they lost all rights to disagree or even leave peaceably. They lost every right they ever thought they had. They go from friend to foe in a heartbeat, and watch each other fall, and still side with these monsters? I wonder, sometimes, do they get scared, the people supporting this admin? The lawmakers and their aides and all the people that surround this admin, do they really think they have any special part or any measure of safety, working with mass murders? I wouldn't even want them to know my name, much less my address, my family, my history, anything. Seems a little touched at this point, to trust these people.

Too long in the writing here, thanks if you read it. I think I must do this only for me ;)

[Roland99]

11. Helps to post what we've been thinking, eh?

I admit I just about had a Freeper-mindset back before the war. I fell for the lies. I feel so deceived and, more importantly, I realized I was just too damned naive and unquestioning.

[bribri16]

9. And don't mention the fact that free education and medical care were

already a part of Iraq's policy under Saddam. That's why Iraq could boast of the most literate population in the ME, including Israel.

[bribri16]

10. The Iraq consititution of 1990 that was drafted but not voted on because

of Desert Storm... I found a copy on the Internet, forgot to bookmark it and now can't find a copy on the Internet. One thing I do remember reading in that draft was a section on Kurdish autonomy within their region. Evidently that wasn't enough and the Kurds wanted a seperate nation state. This is the same shit that is driving the contention in Iraq right now. And in the 1990 version divorce was addressed and treated equally for men and women except that men were required to take care of their wives and families.

I am still trying to find the text but it seems as though it has disappeard from the Internet.

[Roland99]

12. Try archive.org if you have some links that are dead

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