After our coming civil war... I want 50% of all ex-Rethugs to take...

[liberalitch]

A loyalty oath (to the USA and the Constitution..... which they will have to read for the 1st time) and they will never be allowed to hold public office again. We can call it...
RADICAL RECONSTRUCTION!!!!!!

[iconoclastic cat]

1. And saltpeter. Lots of saltpeter.

[lildreamer316]

2. Wooooh.that is EVIL.

(squirms)but I understand the sentiment.

[Swamp Rat]

6. And cayenne pepper.

:9

[SlowDownFast]

32. Garlic. Lots of it. Force fed.

Might stave off their inherent vampirism.

Not to mention their virulent fascist tendencies.

[Loge23]

3. send them to Iraq

Let the Iraqi's deal with them.

[CrispyQ]

11. We've inflicted enough suffering on the Iraqi's!

Welcome to DU, Loge23!

:hi:

[Loge23]

30. good point!

Yes we have! My intention was to give the Iraqi's a sort of "gift".
Something to take their frustrations out on!
I suspect that the Iraqi's are at a much higher level of clarity when it comes to BS than we Americans are.

[Xithras]

4. This constitution? Or a new one?

This constitution is too problematic IMO. If we're going to go through the trouble of having a civil war, we should at least rewrite the document that caused the problem in the first place.

[babsbunny]

7. No more Skull & CrossBones

Running for President!

[CrispyQ]

10. Revoke corporate personhood & you will solve a plethora of problems!

What others do you see?

[funflower]

15. How can a corporation pay taxes if it is not a legal entity?

[CrispyQ]

23. Before 1886, corporations were legal entities, albeit 'artificial' ones.

Their legal status was granted & their actions monitored by the humans & human communities that they did business in. When their personhood status became equal to 'natural' persons they began to subvert the constitution to their agenda.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

snip...

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end.

The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these:

* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.

* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.

* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.

* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.

* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.

* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

For 100 years after the American Revolution, legislators maintained tight controlled the corporate chartering process. Because of widespread public opposition, early legislators granted very few corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens governed corporations by detailing operating conditions not just in charters but also in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow.

(text bolded by me)
===

Thom Hartmann has written another wonderful book called "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance & the Theft of Human Rights." It is a very detailed & well researched piece about how corporate personhood came to be & the incredibly negative impact it has had on humans, our environment, our economy, our international relations.


I've been working through this book for 3 months & am about finished. It has not been easy reading - I've had to take many breaks simply from anger & frustration at this maddening situation! But, it has been one of the most important books I've ever read.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579549551/qid=1125094630/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2187220-5227244?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[liberalitch]

20. Even though I want to keep this constitutution, THAT...

sounds like a good idea!

If we could keep the basics of the seven articles.... making a few modernizing changes... Popular vote for example
Keep the bill of rights.....
Add an amendment covering ALL voting rights, blacks, chicks, naturalized citizens, processes forrestoring voting rights to NONVIOLENT felons
Keep Amendments 13 and 14.... should anyone get any wild ideas....
Keep the limit on presidential terms

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. And John Stuart Mill's exerice in proportional representation

[liberalitch]

13. Well, you know what patrick henry said last time we rewrote the Govt....

I smell a rat

The war will have been (like the last civil war) to defend THIS constitution.

[Conservativesux]

39. The articles of confederation, you mean ?

[Xithras]

17. Most of the BOR needs tweaking.

Amendment 1: Clarify the separation of church and state, and legally establish the legality of hate speech in the US.

Amendment 2: What the frack DOES it actually mean? Do we use the modern definition of militia, or the one from the 1700's? What's "well regulated"?

Amendment 4: What is an "unreasonable" search? Are Patriot act loopholes that waive the need for judicial warrants legal?

Amendment 5: What is "public use"? Should taking someones house to build a frigging shopping center qualify?

Amendment 6: Let's clarify the rights of the accused a bit more, so we can do away with these Texas style deathcamps for shoplifters and grieving widows.

Amendment 7: Umm, how about we NOT conduct technical liability suits and high tech criminal trials in front of laymen pissed off that they've been sequestered for $5 a day. How about we overhaul the entire court system so that professionals who actually know what they're doing are in charge?

Amendment 8: What exactly IS "cruel and unusual" punishment? Is the death penalty cruel or unusual? How about small prison cells? Uncomfortable shoes?

Amendment 9: What the heck does that mean anyway? And has ANYONE actually paid attention to it in the last two centuries?

Amendment 10: The basis of our federal republic. Are we one nation? Or 50 working together? How should the rights of the states relate to the federal government in modern America? Are "states rights" even relevant anymore?

Yes, as I said, we need to reexamine our constitution. Looking at the way we elect and apportion senators and representatives wouldn't be a bad idea either, and I've never entirely agreed with the way the Supreme Court operates...infinite veto powers combined with lifetime appointments spells trouble in my book.

[SlowDownFast]

35. You got it. Damn.

Those forefathers didn't quite see that far into the future, albeit they did a pretty good job otherwise.

Especially when it came to militias and states rights.

Didn't Jefferson advocate a revolution (nonviolent or otherwise) about every 20 years?

[JanMichael]

28. Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!

Yes. Some limitations that are currently not there MUST be added. No not Amendmants, that's like trying to make bad water tasty. It's a waste of time.

Something NEW.

[Conservativesux]

36. Get rid of the second amendment, leave the rest.

[movonne]

5. But one little problem is that bush would give the neo-cons in the

red states all the fire power...and shock and awe us before...

[Newsjock]

8. delete

.

[indepat]

9. With very few exceptions, Rethugs' loyalties are to the person, not the

Republic, not the Constitution.

[benburch]

12. I think we should send them to colonize Antarctica.

But, sadly, forget to send the supply ships...

You know what bad administrators we Liberals are!

[liberalitch]

21. For the short while they are there they could destroy the environment

and drown us all

[leftofthedial]

14. I assume the other 50% will be fairly tried

and then executed for their crimes against humanity?

[funflower]

16. No death penalty in the new, blue USA.

Although I can understand the urge.

[leftofthedial]

31. no death penalty

but there will be loyalty oaths?

[liberalitch]

22. making omlets? right?

[Conservativesux]

40. Sent to Iraq !!!

[mitchum]

18. I prefer a surefire method to make sure that they remain ex-rethugs...

See: Soviet style denazification.

[wli]

25. It may need to be slightly harsher, but...

Soviet-style denazification is a reasonable precedent.

[evilqueen]

19. I have a better idea

Make them all pass a citizenship test, like the ones we give to immigrants.

[liberalitch]

24. Oath and the test....

That's before they are repatriated

[evilqueen]

29. zactly...

...but I'll tell ya, I seriously doubt very many of them would actually pass that test.

When I was in the military, I helped a Canadian study for her citizenship test and that test was really, really difficult. Most Fox viewers would fail it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Yuo are evil most could not answer even the easy answers

and I mean the hard ones are just hard (what are the 13 original colonies for example)

[pocket]

26. You want to leave some alive?

why not a clean slate?

[Conservativesux]

38. Put em' on an island far out to sea in shark infested waters.......

the problem is the repukes might scare off the sharks :)

[musette_sf]

27. LSD

(insert clip from "Wild In The Streets" here)....

http://www.cinetropic.com/jones/wild/

[SlowDownFast]

37. That's it. Clean LSD.

Under supervised oonditions.