Nordic65
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:20 PM
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The fat Lady are just about to start singing... |
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The latest Gallup has * at 40 %, down four points and thus confirming a major downward trend shown in several other recent polls.
If your name is George Bush and you're the President of the United States, and if your cognitive intuition is still somewhat functioning, you know what your looking at tonight - The Abyss!
In effect, * has now lost the crucial political trust of the center and nothing short of a miracle can help him regain it. His administration is running extremely low on political capital, they have for all practical matter lost the initiative and are forced to play defense against some very nasty issues that are way way beyond their control.
Faced with nightmarish oil-prices, affecting an already shaky economy, causing a plummeting in consumer confidences, amid a growing public backlash against the war in Iraq, both he and his henchmen know there is nowhere to go but down.
To add insult to injury, there is a good chance that the CIA-leak investigation will set him back even more. Leading to a very interesting point of political insolvency.
And even with the few things that are still under their control, they are spending capital they don't even have. Such as sending Bolton to purposely wreck havoc at the UN (what a brilliant move) and possible the nomination of Judge Roberts (related to center).
It would take an extremely skilled politician to survive in such an environment, and George W. Bush is not one of those. Actually, the same extremely skilled politician would have to rely on an equally skilled and apt administration to even have a snowballs chance in hell to survive, and this one isn't.
You don't have to be clairvoyant to know that in situations like this, something will have to give. The only question is how ugly it will be, and who will be left standing. I wouldn't bet on *.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:23 PM
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1. I think 35% is the bottom for him... |
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he will hit that over the next two months and should stay there for the remainder of his pResidency.
The fundies & rabid anti tax wackos will never break from him, but it should be enough to take back the house.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:28 PM
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4. Probably, but can he govern from there? |
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Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 09:29 PM by Nordic65
The issues facing him cannot be left to a lame duck to solve. They are too serious
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:39 PM
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the rethugs will start breaking the closer we get to the midterms
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:39 PM
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that's my magic number. We'll see. The economy is Bush's Achille's heel. We think it's Iraq. And, of course, that dismal scenario will continue for years. But during the rest of Bush's term, gas prices, corporate layoffs, and the plummet of the housing market will dampen Americans' enthusiasm for our current leadership. People wanted a "change" after Clinton. So, Bush squeaked in, losing the popular vote. After 3 more years of Bush, people will really want a change. I think a viable third party might find Americans ready to bolt the Republican party. The Repubs allegiance to the fundamentalists could cost them if they don't let their moderates dominate. Their "fiscal conservatives" will have no where else to go...a segment will vote for the Dems. But a large portion will either stay home or go independent.
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Fri Aug-26-05 11:02 PM
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30. NOPE! I'm still certain it's at Turdy Tree and a Turd! |
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:24 PM
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2. Something really bad is going to happen, very soon. |
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Can anyone here think of some other way he can turn this around?
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:27 PM
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:28 PM
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5. He has only one option - terror attack |
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:42 PM
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15. For some reason, I don't think it would work a second time around... |
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I don't think anything can save him at this point.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:45 PM
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Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 10:07 PM by Fridays Child
The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.--Frank Zappa, 1977
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:55 PM
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20. Or possibly even Martial Law |
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:evilgrin: Sorry, couldn't help myself.
As Huey P. Long once said, "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised as 100 percent Americanism."
“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” -Aldus Huxley, Brave New World
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:06 PM
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23. Oops. You're right. Will edit my post. |
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The thing about the evolving fascist state is that rank and file freepers are going to be just as badly hurt as anybody else. I try to find consolation in the fact that, at least, I know I'm getting flushed down the toilet. Freepers just think they're on a really fun boat ride. Boy, are they ever in for a surprise.
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Fri Aug-26-05 11:35 PM
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31. good Zappa quote there n/t |
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:19 PM
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:33 PM
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7. "Something bad" would only hurt him more IMHO |
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Especially since this would be #2 on his watch (though I still say MIHOP :tinfoilhat: )
Besides, we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here... right?
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:41 PM
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14. You're right. He did paint himself into a corner with those words. |
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In fact, he'd better hope nothing happens. But, the thing is, these people have lost their collective edge, recently. And that means more missteps and bad (for them) decisions are possible.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:34 PM
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8. It's too early for them to martyr him. Is there someone else? |
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I figure that's one of their two options. A distant 3rd would be another set of anthrax love letters.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:38 PM
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10. By using 9-11 about 100 times |
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Well maybe we have heard that enough.....but some people are very lame, and love the hater. :kick:
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:25 PM
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25. I Hope There Are Some Good Guys Who Are On The Ball |
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And that's all I'm saying.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:32 PM
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6. I'd like to feel good about this, but.... |
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1) this slippery SOB has never had to answer for anything he's ever done in his whole life.
2) given the gravity of the scorn to be heaped on him and his historical legacy, I simply can't rule out any extreme he and his crime partners may go to in order to retain power.
3) my Party (Dem) are spineless and just about corrupt as these folks are.
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Nordic65
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:44 PM
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18. Even Houdini couldn't escape from this |
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The more I think about it, the more I'm certain that Bush has painted himself into a corner, but I cannot even begin to envision how this fuck-up will unravel. And I'm pretty sure it will, but not seeing how, is kind of scary.
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:43 PM
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26. Our last best hope is |
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MR FITZGERALD...... If he comes the way it looks he will, the "floor falls out."
The Generals will walk this fucker out the door.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:36 PM
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9. Love this summary, thanks... |
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I don't even think another terrorist attack, no matter how spectacular, will bail this pack of criminals out. Their backs are against the wall with the "we're fighting them over there so they can't get us here" last resort to justify their illegal invasion of Iraq. So.... if suddenly there's an attack on American soil, their goose is cooked.
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:56 PM
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It's no secret the American occupation is inciting a wave of new fanatic terror enthusiasts all over the Arab world. The bombers have already arrived in Western Europe. We aren't immune.
I'm wondering how the American people will respond. What choice will we as a nation finally take when the crows come home to roost?
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:41 PM
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13. Should touch 30 when Katrina mashes up |
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a few oil rigs in the Gulf. I'm not holding a party until it's 25%.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:42 PM
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16. Like he really cares. |
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He won his re-election. He gets to fight his little war for four more years, and play daddy-giveaway to his oil buddies stateside.
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:43 PM
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17. looking forward to headline: "worse approval than Nixon" |
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If and when Bush goes to the low to mid 30's, all the headlines will talk about a new lowpoint being set for us presidents and will trumpet how it is even worse than Nixon.
"Bush approval worse than Nixon"
word association; Bush-Nixon Bush-Nixon Bush-Nixon
cascade effect!
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Fri Aug-26-05 09:56 PM
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21. Could happen, but then what? |
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If there is a cascade effect, what will happen next?
Is it even possible for the worlds only superpower, or any other country for that matter, to be governed by a lame duck during a time of war?
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:01 PM
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22. hopefully the Dems will retake one of the houses |
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in the 2006 election and effectively stop Bush and the right wingers from doing anything else until 2008. And as others have commented, the worse Bush dips the more republicans will be forced to drop their support for his insane policies or risk losing their cushy powerful jobs.
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Fri Aug-26-05 11:01 PM
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29. That is 14 long months out... |
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And short of evicting * from the WH, I cannot see how the GOP can avoid a total meltdown in the midterms.
They know very well that things are going to go from bad to worse, all over the place, but I still cannot see them wandering to far off the reservation. Because that would almost certainly hurt * even more, firmly establishing him as the lamest duck ever to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue. No party would do that to a sitting President, and certainly not in a time of war.
For better or worse, not only *, but a shitload of other bad karma throughout the administration are weighing down on the GOP. In other words, they are trapped. Getting rid of Bush will be their only escape, and that won't happen either.
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Fri Aug-26-05 10:45 PM
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end of this nightmare... I know, I knwo I am still dreaming for politically it cannot happen, YET
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Fri Aug-26-05 11:40 PM
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32. when this kind of unpopularity happens to Latin American dictators |
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A cadre of generals escort them out to be dealt with by firing squads.
It would be best if it didn't come to that here.
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