100,000 PEOPLE STUCK IN NEW ORLEANS

[rbjensen]

according to the Weather Channel. This is not good.

[BamaLefty]

1. The Need To Sprinkle

Bourbon Street with a little Cascade-- that city needs a good 'ol washing. But, I doubt that 1,000 hurricanes couldn't wash away all the vomit that resides in NOLA. :D

[Horse with no Name]

2. You are making jokes when 100,000 people stand to lose their

lives in this monster?
:puke:

[zulchzulu]

6. Ever been to New Orleans?

I have. Yes, some people may die in this mess, but that town is very resilient.

We'll see what happens.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I have been there lots of times

and I don't think joking about cleaning up vomit is appropriate right now. This is a category 5 hurricane!! Do you have any idea how bad this could be?

[BamaLefty]

15. Yes, I do

And NO just better be glad that they are just to the west of the projected landfall. Ivan went right over my house.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. No, you really don't have a clue about what a Cat 5, 175 mph hurricane....

...can really do.

Nope...no clue at all.

[zulchzulu]

42. I thik Bamy was just jousting about Nawlins like Bammers do

There's always been a hate relationship with most of the Bible Belters with the City of Sin.

I wince at the thought of Pat Robertson opening his piehole and saying that the damage done in New Orleans is a signal from God...

[Horse with no Name]

47. Yes I have.

But this is the storm that N.O. has been avoiding for years.
This scenario was predicted as the #1 Natural disaster that could ever happen in the US.
Bigger than any other hurricane, any earthquake, any flood or tornado.
Not only because of the immediate devastation, but because of what happens after the storm is over.
I have no doubt about resiliency of the citizenry, however, the chance that New Orleans would even be rebuilt in the worst case scenario is slim.

[BamaLefty]

12. 100,000 lives lost?

ROFL no way

I live in hurricane alley about 1 hour north of the FL coast. We go through these things all the time. Yes, they're bad. Yes, it will hurt 'Nawlins worse b/c they are below sea level. But down around the coastal areas, we're so used to them. . .

But yes, it is very sad. I agree. We just had Ivan last September and Dennis back in July. This part (Destin/Panama City) needs a break if you ask me. . . :-/

[BlueEyedSon]

16. No, but 2-3% loss is possible

[Retrograde]

79. that's still 2-3,000 people

in NO alone. That's getting into the 9/11 range - not counting people in other regions.

[BlueEyedSon]

83. kinda my point....nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. You don't live in a bowl like the people in New Orleans....

...we're talking New Orleans being under 10-15 feet or more of a toxic stew of sewage and chemicals for about 6 months until the water drains. And then we're talking a minimum of 2+ years to bulldoze and begin reconstruction.

I also guarantee you that you've never been through a storm equivalent to a much larger Camille or Andrew where the wind and water can completely raze buildings down to the foundations.

I'm sorry, but you don't have ANY clue as to what this thing may do to New Orleans.

[jab105]

75. with all due respect, being in Miami in 92...for Andrew, which was barely

a five...which was just plain devastation...school was out for a month, nobody had water for weeks...inland there was huge damage everywhere...there is a HUGE difference between a 5 and a 3 (Ivan) or a 1 (Dennis)...

My MOL was in Ivan in Navarre Beach right on the barrier island...we were there right after the storm...that was a 3 and she said it was the worst she had seen ever, and Opal had come right over her house...Dennis came right over her house too, she said it was nothing...again, a HUGE difference between a 3 and 5!!

You might want a break, so does she, but this could be massive loss of life, which is a lot more important...

[xultar]

44. That is how some people including me deal with stress like this. I lived

in NOLA. Even I can understand that.

I wouldn't doubt if the bars were still open and if people weren't filling the streets with joy, dawn, and ivory.

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Which part of mandatory evacuation don't you understand?

I don't live in hurricane country, so correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming that mandatory means mandatory. I doubt there are going to be any street parties.

[xultar]

70. Trust me. Where do you think the drink Hurricane came from

a Hurricane party.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Well I doubt they have many parties

during a hurricane this intense.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. not funny

This looks really bad.

[RebelOne]

43. I'm not laughing, either.

That post was in very poor taste, considering what New Orleans is going to experience.

[smbolisnch]

5. I must be missing the humor in that.

Many people may lose their lives.

[rbjensen]

18. Hey I've hugged

a few toilets in N. O. myself but they don't deserve this. The French Quarter is seedy but unique. "Authentic" is overused, but it describes N.O. And those buildings are stick-built, low to the ground. I hope
FEMA has a real good investment portfolio.

[Name removed]

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[peacetalksforall]

32. It is unpleasant to read a sneer at the people of a city at the

wrong time.

[bluestateguy]

40. I've been to New Orleans once

I found it to be a city rich in culture, cuisine, vibrant, exciting nightlife and stately real estate. Does the city have it's problems and bad neighborhoods? You bet it does, but that makes it no different from any other American city.

If politics is your concern, keep in mind that N.O. voted 77% for John Kerry.

If Alabama were in the middle of Ground Zero for the cane, and some Yankee said what you said about Alabama, both you and Syrinx would be outraged--and rightfully so.

[zulchzulu]

3. I bet Doctor John flew there for the event

I used to live in Nawlins and every time there was a hurricane heading to the town or nearby, you can bet Doctor John would be there at a series of bars on Decatur near Governor Nichols.

It's going to be a party. Well, sort of a David Lynch idea of a party. Wish I could be there....

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Mandatory Evacuation!!

I doubt the bars will be open or that anyone will be having a party.

[zulchzulu]

8. Orleans Parish is voluntary...as of a few minutes ago

That's where the Quarter is.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. You are wrong

The mayor ordered a mandatory evacuation for the entire city an hour or so ago.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

59. You are just as misinformed on this topic (link inside)....

....as you are on the other topics in this thread:

Mandatory evacuation ordered for New Orleans as Katrina takes aim - August 28, 2005
<http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050828/NEWS/50828004>

[zulchzulu]

65. OK, Cap'n Hurricane..... Sheesh....

When I looked at the time, it wasn't mandatory for Orleans Parish.

I have a life.

I'm not glued to the TV set, pops.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. Ah, yes. When backed into a corner, you resort to the old...

...time-honored practice of attempting to hurl insults.

You're not very good at that either.

By the way, I guess you failed to notice that I got that article off the Internet, not the television.

[zulchzulu]

86. So what's your issue with me

I've been in hurricanes IN New Orleans. I've worked in the media reporting hurricanes in New Orleans. I've done work in documentaries about the subject of hurricanes in New Orleans.

You, on the other hand, are convinced you have ALL the answers. You're a pitiful, angry (and probably lonely) person.

Get a life.

[CottonBear]

10. There is a mandatory evacuation. This is serious and Katrina is deadly.

Those who can't leave due to lack of finances or transit or being taken to the Supersome. This is no joking matter. My in-laws live in the area. This may be one of the 3 or 4 most powerful storm to ever hit the US. :(

[zulchzulu]

20. OK...maybe Doctor John will play at the Dome

I'm nearly certain he's there...

I have a couple of friends who are going to ride it out. One of my friends works for NOPSI (New Orleans Public Service Inc.) , where he'll be part of the command working the drainage of the city.

[zulchzulu]

14. Live coverage

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_wwltv&props=livenoad

[Midlodemocrat]

13. the mayor is forcing those who want to stay or who can't leave

to go to the Super Dome. I just saw it on *gulp* Faux.

The one thing that went through my mind was that there seems to be an inordinate number of minority individuals in those lines to get into the Super Dome.

What a great country. :eyes:

[BamaLefty]

17. Homeless People Mainly

NO is riddled with poverty. Those are the 100,000 people they keep referring to. Opening up the Superdome is a very good idea IMO.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. IMHO, your comments are becoming increasingly more reprehensible...

...no, those 100,000 are not "homeless people mainly". They are instead people living in poverty without personal vehicles, and/or the cash to spend on gas to get out of town.

I suggest that you spend some time living among the poor in this country to gain a better understanding of those people and how they live day-to-day.

[earth mom]

48. I agree.

That attitude reminds me of how someone here on DU posted on an eminent domain thread a couple months back that New Orleans was so shabby it needed to be taken over by eminent domain and revamped.

Well looks like someone might get their wish...

While some will pay for it with their very lives. :cry:

[rbjensen]

19. Well

New Orleans is predominantly a minority population. Which, of course, isn't really a minority. But you see what I mean. Most of the middle class in N.O. are tourists.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. I knew that. I was just stating that I think it is sickening

that 100,000 native NOers don't have even the $6 Greyhound is charging to get the hell out.

Makes me so mad I could scream.

[zulchzulu]

28. New Orleans has a very advanced drainage system

They've been gearing up for a storm like this for years. It can rain 4 inches in 5 minutes and it's drained in less than 10.

The real danger is if the storm hits Lake Pontchartrain, a shallow, large lake. That could wreak havoc all over the area and put the city under 20 feet of water or more. It could look a lot like the tsunami footage with a ton of rain and wind.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. The pumps will be under water...they won't be working once that happens.

[zulchzulu]

35. We'll see

If you've been in a hurricane (I've been in a few), it's mostly a LOT of rain. Yes, wind and such too...but you can bet the drainage pumps will be full throttle as the storm heads in.

We'll see what happens...but I have faith they will be alright. A rough ride, but they'll be alright... knock on wood.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

46. I've been in seven of them....

...four in St, Pete, FL, none of which were a direct hit, one at sea while I was in the Navy, and two in Mobile, AL.

"It's mostly a LOT of rain"???? Tell that to the people who survived Camille, Hugo, Andrew, and Charley.

Your drainage pumps in New Orleans are all located at or below sea level...the storm surge alone will be 20+ feet. Add waves on top of the surge, and then add a constant heavy rainfall, and your pumps will be under water VERY quickly.

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. All you can do is hope for the best at this point

but this sucker is a Category 5. This storm is going to be devastating.

Big problem is that Katrina went SW after going over FL, into deep and HOT water. I've never seen temps this high in the Gulf. 88 degrees was about average. There's an endless supply of energy for this storm at the moment, which is not good news. Hang in there.

[zulchzulu]

67. Thanks

All we can do is hope the storm decreases quickly once it hits land...

[coffeenap]

50. Is this true? Is there a link? Could we send money to Greyhound

to subsidize fares for impoversished people?? I am going to check.

[steve2470]

71. GREYHOUND HAS CANCELLED SERVICE OUT OF NOLA

http://www.greyhound.com/scripts/TicketCenter/service_alert.asp

[MnFats]

21. And will the Superdome hold up?

I can't remember if it's a ragtop like the Humphrey Metrodome....what happens if the surge reaches the superdome, or the top blows off?

[zulchzulu]

23. It's a concrete monster...

But with winds howling at 175mph, anything is possible.

http://www.superdome.com/site.php

[rbjensen]

25. And what about

the water level? Even if the roof stays on, can they keep it dry? One of the weather geeks on WU said that this will be America's tsunami. I hope to god he is exagerating.

[zulchzulu]

33. I think a lot of it is getting hyped up...

It's probably going to hit the Texas coast, according to highest probabilities. They've been hit so many times over the years that they've cut back on overbuilding on the coast.



http://weather.wwltv.com/auto/wwltv/tropical/tracking/at200512_strike.html

[sandnsea]

36. weather front in Texas

On the TX/LA border. Maybe that is what is expected to push the hurricane east. The strength of that storm may have alot to do with where the hurricane hits, in the end.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. What the heck are you talking about? Read the legend on the map....

...you furnished, and match the color code/percentage to the color coded areas on the map.

Here's your quiz:

1. Which area currently has the highest percentage chance of being hit within 75 miles within 72 hours?

[rbjensen]

63. Here's hoping

you are right.

[SmokingJacket]

73. Your map doesn't support what you're saying. nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. The building is supposed to withstand winds up to 200 mph, BUT....

...if the storm comes ashore with sustained winds of 175 mph, there will be gusts exceeding 210 mph, possibly as much as 250 mph. Also, winds are stronger the higher you go because there are fewer obstructions to the airflow.

[zulchzulu]

37. Once the hurricane hits land, the winds substantially drop speed

The problem will be tornados spinning off and yes, winds over 100mph at a sustained level.

The main problem will be the water. You can bet a few people will be sucked into the drainage pipes. That's happened in some of the quick flash summer storms over the years.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. Based on this and your previous posts, it's clear to me that....

...you just don't get it.

Incredible.

[zulchzulu]

45. I've been in several hurricanes IN New Orleans

I know. I've been there.

Real life experience over believing the hype from some News Barbie Doll is what I value. I used to work at a TV station IN New Orleans and know a bit about hurricanes, the New Orleans drainage system and other issues.

If you want to get your panties in a bunch and shoot insults at me...whatever...

[Cooley Hurd]

53. Experts aren't as optimistic as yourself...

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane1.html

This is a MUST-READ article. Even if the hurricane weakens to 150mph, NOLA'S in a great deal of danger...

<snip>
A Risky Spot

And just across the Mississippi River, Walter Maestri is struggling to help New Orleans prepare. Maestri is the czar of public emergencies in Jefferson Parish (that's the county that sprawls across a third of the metropolitan area). He points to a map of the region on the wall of his command post.

"A couple of days ago," explains Maestri, "We actually had an exercise where we brought a fictitious Category Five Hurricane into the metropolitan area."


The map is covered with arrows and swirls in erasable marker. They show how the fictitious hurricane crossed Key West and then smacked into New Orleans.

When the computer models showed Maestri what would happen next, he wrote big letters on the map, all in capitals.

"KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye," reads Maestri.

"Because," says Maestri, "anyone who was here when that storm came across was gone—it was body-bag time. We think 40,000 people could lose their lives in the metropolitan area."

And some scientists say that figure is conservative. People have known for centuries that New Orleans is a risky spot — the biggest river in North America wraps around it; and most of the land is below sea level. But researchers say they've been learning just how grave the problem is, only in the last few years. And they say the city and the nation aren't prepared to handle it.
</snip>

This is going to be unlike any hurricane you've experienced in NOLA.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. How old are you? I doubt that you even remember Betsy in 1965, and...

...that did the most flooding damage of ANY hurricane to hit the New Orleans area in the last 40 years. You haven't seen anything like that since Betsy. Want proof? Read the following link...make sure that you scroll down and read about the specific hurricane effects:

<http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2002/of02-206/phy-environment/recent-hurricanes.html>

"New Barbie Doll"??? No, I get my weather information from the National Hurricane Center and several other sites that present factual and detailed hurricane information.

As to your comment about "insults", I've learned over the years that only the truly clueless claim that they're being insulted when given factual information.

[Horse with no Name]

56. You are really funny

*When* a meteorologist with the National Hurricane Center with 33 years of experience calls the Mayor of New Orleans and tells him "This is the one we have feared for years. This is THE BIG ONE", and expresses his fear for the citizenry...then I will tend to believe that over someone who takes a know-it-all attitude regarding potentially the greatest natural disaster that our country has ever seen.

[zulchzulu]

57. We'll see

It's going to be bad...no one is saying that it won't.

Having actually witnessed hurricanes (from the "It's the End of the World" to "Damn, I wish the rain would stop"), I take the idea that this storm will be the greatest storm our country has ever seen with a little skepticism.

I wished my friends down there well today and they aren't a bunch of Chicken Littles. They'll make it.

[Horse with no Name]

58. Somehow

"Having actually witnessed hurricanes (from the "It's the End of the World" to "Damn, I wish the rain would stop"),"

I highly doubt that.

[zulchzulu]

64. You highly doubt what?

I lived in New Orleans from 1986-91. I saw a number of hurricanes from the paranoia stage to the real storm a number of times...three...four times... I worked at WWL (CBS affiliate) and did a lot of features, animations, documentaries and such with the weather folk there (some who were there for Betsy) and know actually what it's like to be in a hurricane. And I know what a really bad hurricane would be like if it hit New Orleans. We DID a documentary on that subject, which won awards.

You don't have to believe me. I don't care.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

72. Thanks for not answering the question directly....

...but now we know you've NEVER been through a storm of this scope. In fact, nobody has seen a storm like this unless they were at ground zero for one of:

*the 1935 Florida keys unnamed storm,
*Camille,
*Andrew.

Here's a link to prove my point:

<http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2002/of02-206/phy-environment/cyclones1980-99.html>

[zulchzulu]

84. Dude...you're taking everything I've been saying out of context...

Nowhere did I say I witnessed at Cat 5 hurricane. FWIW, Hurricane Florence was a Cat 3. People thought it was going to be the end of the World...but we survived.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. Incredible. You just totally ignore factual material, don't you?.....

...Please tell us which storm hit New Orleans directly during the time you have supposedly lived in that city that was in the "It's the End of the World" category.

[zulchzulu]

66. Did I say a storm hit directly?

I've been in hurricanes when the prediction was that the storm could hit the city, hence causing the local media to act like it was the end of the World. And gee, why were batteries suddenly 3 dollars more expensive....hmmm...

I think it was Hurricane Florence in 1989 that was considered a direct hit on New Orleans and people were panicking...

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a000000/a000082/a000082.mpg

[Media_Lies_Daily]

69. You stated that you had experienced hurricanes in language that....

...suggested that you actually might know what you were talking about. Now you're backtracking from that statement, aren't you?

Having the media acting like "it was the end of the world" to get people to leave town is far preferable to saying nothing and having thousands of people caught in a disaster. Maybe you believe otherwise

Attempting to divert this discussion about trying to save lives to one about the cost of batteries and other items is not going to work either.

Attempting to insult me by calling me "pops" is just another indication of your complete lack of knowledge about hurricanes and what they're capable of doing. Good luck in the future...you'll probably need a great deal of it.

[zulchzulu]

85. What a friggin' blowhard

Take your meds, you creep.

[bluestateguy]

26. Is it impossible for them to mobilize every single public bus ...

and every other transport vehicle to transport them out?

It situations like this, there is no place for capitalist silliness.

[DoYouEverWonder]

52. The Governor and the President should be ordering

that all buses in the area go to the O'Dome to take the people out. Too bad Dimson is too fucked up at the moment to even make a coherent statement.

[Lorien]

68. Several people were asking about that yesterday

if it occurred to people here, then one would hope that officials there had considered it. no mention on any news reports, though.

[lonestarnot]

39. This just tooo fucking sucks! Goddamn bushitler!

[DS1]

49. Walk

Live

[Pastiche423]

80. And those that can not walk?

[DS1]

82. Hitch a ride

tie yourself to a police helicopter, do SOMETHING.

[steve2470]

61. The Weather Channel is comparing this storm to CAMILLE

Anyone alive in 1969 knows this is very bad news. They also said that the barometric pressure of Katrina is lower than Camille and is actually the lowest on record. For you non-weather geeks, that's very very bad.

[stevietheman]

62. Yep, 29 is the normal lowest barometric pressure for an "L" on the map...

but this storm is registering something close to 26! That means DANGEROUS STORM.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

76. And almost twice the size of Camille. A science-fiction writer couldn't..

...have come up with a better story-line!

I saw your other post about Greyhound...how about Amtrak?

[steve2470]

78. AMTRAK TRAIN INFORMATION HERE

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/HomePage


Service Alert: City of New Orleans, Cresent, Sunset Limited - Revised Service Due to Hurricane Katrina

August 27, 2005 3:00 p.m.

Due to Hurricane Katrina, Amtrak is implementing a revised service plan for its City of New Orleans trains, which operate between Chicago and New Orleans, Crescent trains, which operate between New York and New Orleans and the Sunset Limited, which operate between Los Angeles and Orlando.
Southbound trains #59 (City of New Orleans) will terminate in Memphis instead of New Orleans on Saturday August 27 and Sunday August 28. No alternate transportation will be offered for passengers bound for destinations south of Memphis.
Northbound trains #58 (City of New Orleans) originally scheduled to originate in New Orleans on Sunday August 28 and Monday August 29 will instead originate in Memphis. No alternate transportation will be provided between New Orleans and Memphis.
Southbound trains #19 (Crescent) will terminate in Atlanta on Saturday August 27 and Sunday August 28 instead of New Orleans. No alternate transportation will be provided between Atlanta and New Orleans.
Northbound trains #20 (Crescent) originally scheduled to originate in New Orleans on Sunday August 28 and Monday August 29 will instead originate in Atlanta. No alternate transportation will be provided between New Orleans and Atlanta.
Eastbound train #2 (Sunset Limited) will terminate in San Antonio on Sunday August 28 instead of New Orleans. No alternate transportation will be provided between San Antonio and New Orleans.
Westbound train #1 (Sunset Limited) is cancelled between Orlando and New Orleans on Sunday August 28. No alternate transportation will be provided between Orlando and New Orleans.

Amtrak will continue to monitor the storm and make further schedule adjustments if necessary.

Amtrak reservation agents are contacting passengers regarding the schedule adjustments. Passengers may also call 1-800-USA-RAIL for assistance with their travel plans.

[zulchzulu]

77. Windows Media stream link to WWL coverage

http://www.wwltv.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/makeadplaylist.pl?title=beloint_wwltv&live=yes