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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:45 AM
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Wet lands are important, people!
If there are any lessons for others to learn from what has happened in NO I think there are at least two.

1. Your natural wetlands are important and all development that rids places of this natural habitat should be stopped.

2. Every major city and county or parish or whatever it's called along the coasts (east, west, north, and south) should invest their tax dollars in building state-of-the-art facilities that can be used for multiple purposes in non-crisis times but which can be used as a safe harbor during natural weather disasters, especiall for the poor or have-not-much. One that can house, supply energy, water and food for at least 100,000 people or 25% of your population.
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Maybe the dittoheads across the nation will now see how valuable our natural resources are...trees, wetlands, unpoluted waterways and how dangerous off-shore drilling can be.

If we don't do something about our consumption of oil we will be fighting wars and oil spills forever...and we don't have to.!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:49 AM
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1. Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco (D)
in an interview mentioned how the disappearing wetlands in her state had worsened the impact of the hurricane on the state's residents. She didn't go into specifics about the impact. Anyone out there have knowledge of this?
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SlackJawedYokel Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:57 AM
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3. From what I can remember
it has to do with soil/coastal erosion and the lack of impediment for the storm surge. No healthy green marsh to slow/absorb the impact of the surge.

Cletus
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:08 AM
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5. Asphalt & concrete are no substitute for mangrove swamps
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 09:09 AM by SoCalDem
and barrier islands:(


I posted this yesterday, but there was bigger news to cover.. I stand by this solution


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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-29-05 06:21 AM
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This storm may point out the proper use of eminent domain




States should re-claim barrier islands and coastlines, and restore them to their "original" purposes.

Replant sea grass & other native plants.. let the sand distribute where it "needs" to be, instead of where merchants, developers & million-dollar "cottage" owners WANT it to be.

Barrier islands and the marshy areas around them are what PROTECTS the people near the coastlines.

When all these cities sprang up, people did not know how valuable these little strips of sand were..

A trip to "undeveloped" island or coastal areas in the world shows how coastlines are properly managed.

In Tahiti, the ONLY beach structures were small thatched huts (local people)...except for where "westerners" had built the large hotels..

The island/coastal people have lived there for thousands of years, and THEY bulid their permanent structures INLAND a bit, and use paths or trails to get through the brush and vegatation to get to the beach. they do NOT build their homes on the beach, or right next to an inlet that can flod in storms.

Most people CAN get to the water without LIVING there..The beaches can be used for day-trips or recreation without LIVING there..

Their destroyed mansions slinter into projectiles that are then flung around like matchsticks. Building stuff right where storms hit and rip them apart is a DANGER to everyones else.

The way we build coastal buildings is idiotic too.

When we lived in Panama (EXTREMELY stormy and WET all the time) we had concrete houses, elevated about 10 ft on pillars..tile everywhere, and after a storm, even when it flooded, we just used a squeegee upstairs, pushed it down the concrete/tiled stairs, and out the door.... The bamboo furniture dried out, and we were good to go, until the next storm..

wood & masonry in areas prone to flooding or wind storms is INSANE..

We all pay higher insurance premiums because of the constant re-building of these structures..


(and yes, I am also against building in fire-prone canyons out here and on our own coastlines of CA)


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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:41 AM
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8. Good points.
I agree with you. People just keep building in places where it just isn't good to build. And it does end up costing everyone.

Love your sig line...got a good chuckle from it...I can relate!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:46 AM
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9. Thanks.. I truly don't understand all the geek stuff
and I don't know how to make my own stuff, so I'll just go sig-less:)

I do miss them though.. I used to love to hunt for funny ones:)
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:05 AM
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4. why are Wetlands important?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:13 AM
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6. Thanks for the info
I figured it was something like that, but wasn't sure.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:55 AM
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2. What?
natural areas that let the system be elastic, clean water, act as nurseries for
wildlife and fishes, and protect against storms.

Damn hippy idea.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:20 AM
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7. Both the levees and the destruction of the wetlands....
exacerbate the problem. Here's an explanation from Time...
>snip What is threatening New Orleans is a combination of two man-made problems: more levees and fewer wetlands. The levees installed along the Mississippi to protect the city from water surges have had a perverse effect: they have actually made it more vulnerable to flooding. That's because New Orleans has been kept in place by the precarious balance of two opposing forces. Because the city is constructed on 100 feet of soft silt, sand and clay, it naturally "subsides," or sinks, several feet a century. Historically, that subsidence has been counteracted by sedimentation: new silt, sand and clay that are deposited when the river floods. But since the levees went up—mostly after the great flood of 1927—the river has not been flooding, and sedimentation has stopped.

The upshot is that New Orleans has been sinking as much as 3 ft. a century. That's bad news for a city that is already an average of 8 ft. below sea level. Making things worse: sea levels worldwide are rising as much as 3 ft. a century on account of global warming. The lower New Orleans plunges, the worse it will be when the big one hits.

New Orleans' other major man-made problem is that its wetlands and its low-lying barrier islands are disappearing. The Louisiana coast is losing 16,000 acres of wetland each year, mostly as a result of population expansion into once pristine areas, destructive oil and gas drilling, pollution and land loss through lack of sedimentation. As it turns out, wetlands and barrier islands aren't just nice to look at; they are also a key natural barrier to hurricanes. (Every 2.7 miles of wetland absorbs a foot of storm surge.) As the wetlands go, the chance of a hurricane blowing the city away grows.

So environmentalists and engineers are frantically coming up with plans to save New Orleans. One idea is to raise levee walls to increase their effectiveness against storm surges. Another is to create large-scale diversions that would allow the Mississippi to flood in a controlled manner—and through sedimentation add thousands of acres a year of new land. Yet another would be to take immediate steps to reverse the loss of sensitive wetlands. Adding land through sedimentation is one of the best ways of restoring wetlands. Among other possible schemes: cutting back on shipping routes that harm marshes, installing wave absorbers to reduce wetland erosion and rebuilding damaged barrier islands. >more
http://www.time.com/time/reports/mississippi/orleans.html

Wetlands are so important! Besides controlling floods, they help to clean water and provide a habitat for a large variety of plant and animal species.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:49 AM
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10. Wetlands will not be denied.
We're given one chance to decide where to locate them, and if we're wrong, they'll decide for us.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:53 AM
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11. kick
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