Newbies - pay attention - connecting the dots for you

[steve2470]

1- It takes $$ and the National Guard to fix this mess.
2- It takes $$ to make sure that NOLA stayed dry
3- GWB cut flood prevention funding
4- Part of the NG of LA, MS, and AL are in Iraq
5- GWB was slow to mobilize the NG
6- If the NG had been mobilized quickly, SOME of those patients in the hospital would not have died. They could have been airlifted out by the NG.
7- No, GWB didn't turn off the power. No, he didn't unplug any patients. However.....see point #6.


Now do you some of you see why I kept saying do your homework ? I've done mine for the last 3 or 4 days. Please go do yours before you challenge posters like me.

[crispini]

1. Your efforts have been unstinting, steve2470

Thank you for your continued posting about the situation. I have really felt I have had a comrade in this disaster because of you. :hug:

[steve2470]

2. Thank you. You are a credit to humanity also. nt

[Dogmudgeon]

3. I missed that dust-up

I've been on the same page about this since Bush gutted FEMA to run his de facto Department of Recreational Warfare.

I think the governor activates the Guard, but Bush's authorization is needed for coordination of the National Guards at a federal level.

The next "storm surge" will hit when we realize that fewer than 30% of all homeowners in the affected areas had flood insurance.

--p!

[bushisanidiot]

Excellent points! AWOL Bush's complete incompetency is GLARING

once again..

he ignored warnings prior to 9/11/01 then ran and hid for DAYS after it happened.. less than 3,000 americans died from a result of those attacks. the death toll for katrina will surely DOUBLE that of the 9/11 attacks.. and that idiot was busy with his boots underneath jeff gannon's bed instead of taking preventative action.

[Marnieworld]

4. Thanks Steve

It only took this article

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313

for me to get it. I knew that the NG was in Iraq but I did not know that FEMA was gutted deliberately and that NO was begging for $ to prevent this from happening and they were cut off because the Bush admin. wanted to give rich people tax cuts instead. They really really let this happen on purpose. A city is destroyed how many dead? how many homeless for what?

I didn't think it was possible to be sadder or hate them more but today I experience a fresh pain to the point that I am physically sick. I wish there was a hell for them to burn in but unfortunately I am not convinced of any justice.

[DURHAM D]

5. For further help in connecting the dots they should try to get a copy of

Al Franken this am - Rachel Maddow subbing. The first couple hours of the show (then she switched to SC) are incredible. I wish every government teacher in this country would get a copy of it and play for their students. It has everything but hand puppets.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. I don't think they are capable of connecting the dots. Eyes glaze over.

Their hatred for all things 'dummycrat' blinds them to any logic. Thanks steve2470 for all you're doing to keep us informed.

[uppityperson]

7. Thanks steve for continuing to post all this

appreciate what you are doing. Peace

[HadItUpToHere]

8. regarding Point #5- the president doesn't mobilize the national guard-

the state governor would do that.

ergo- your homework is flawed, along with your logic.

[Liberal Dose]

10. How about points 1-4; especially #3? n/t

[true_notes]

11. Actually YOU are wrong on that...

It takes a federal order from NG units to go from state to state (interstate service). This can be given from the NG General on up to the President. Last I checked, there's a shitload of NG assets flowing into LA from other states.

[HadItUpToHere]

14. if "there's a shitload of NG assets flowing into LA from other states"

then somebody already okayed it, and the op's premise is still flawed.

[Liberal Dose]

15. I'll ask again. Maybe you missed the first one.

How about points 1-4; especially #3? Why no comment from you on those, I wonder?

[HadItUpToHere]

16. they aren't worth the time to comment on.

GWb isn't the entire government- there are state governmemnts, congress, the senate, etc...gwb doesn't personally oversee every aspect of every states governance- blaming flood deaths on the president, ANY president, under these circumstances is completely moronic.

[likesmountains 52]

17. well, then what would you say he'd done to help? What did he do

that was proactive in helping prevent this? Cut budgets? Send the NG to his war? Quit his 5 week vacation one day early? I mean for cryin out loud Terri Schaivo had him more worked up than this..

[HadItUpToHere]

19. sheesh...

:eyes:

what would i say he "done" to help??

i wouldn't- i'd use better grammar.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

23. Nice

A perfect ad hominem to finish your arguments.

:mad:

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[EvolveOrConvolve]

21. Then they're worth as much to you as the lives being lost

The president has wide discretionary powers in funding for things like emergency management funding. GWB's policies are directly responsible for the decrease in funding. Even if increased funding had saved only one life, it would have been worth it. That's the difference between R's and D's. Republicans view humans as commodities, Democrats view the worth of a life as inestimable.

[apnu]

22. yeah, like that pesky levee funding business (n/t)

[EvolveOrConvolve]

27. But, but, but, that wasn't Bush's

fault. He's a man of God and infallible. His policies couldn't have created any sorts of problems because he is second only to Jesus in perfection. </sarcasm>

When Republicans say they are the party of "personal responsibility", they're full of shit. Will Bush or any other Republobot take responsibility for their fuckups? Hell no they won't, and it pisses me off.

[apnu]

31. bingo.

That's my greatest gripe with those bastards. I can take the racism, I can take the war mongering, I can take the piggy bank robbing. I love none of those things, but I can't take the blatant hypocrisy. How do people fall for that shit?

:puke:

[chicagiana]

38. There is the man who broke into your business ...

... and then there is the security guard who was asleep at his post.

The security guard didn't commit the crime. But he did facilitate it through stupidity and incompetence. In the case when people die, they call this manslaughter.

Bush is guilty of manslaughter in New Orleans.

[HadItUpToHere]

29. Democrats most certainly do weigh the cost benefits of spending-

when Democrats are in charge, they still have to make decisions on how federal funds get spent, and yet- people still die during natural disasters when the Democrats are in charge too-
to blame individual deaths on the president, be it D or R, is just plain STUPID.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

39. I didn't say people wouldn't die if Dems controlled the funding

So don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say, then attack those words (strawman?) to make your point.

There's no way to stop people from dying. However, there are many ways of mitigating the damage and controlling the amount of destruction. The levees are a perfect example.

Oh, and I'm not blaming individual deaths on Bush, I'm blaming massive amounts of death on Bush, who's policies help make this possible. Just as I blame every one of the death's in Iraq on Bush.

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[apnu]

20. deleted

other posters responded more eloquently than I.

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[Horse with no Name]

37. On August 1 the Governor asked for their NG to be

returned from Iraq.
The request was refused.

[Liberal Dose]

9. Excellent Summary. Thank you.

:applause:

All I could think of as a response to the idiotic questions was "Grrrrrrr"

[LeftyElvis]

12. Plus not signing Kyoto

........global warming Karma.

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Kyoto needs to be ratified by the Senate, not signed by the President

In 1997 the Senate voted that the US should not sign any protocol that would:

(A) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex I Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period, or

(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States;

Can anyone guess how many Senators voted against this resolution?

[Matariki]

13. kick n/t

[nolabels]

18. You might want to also note another major US city being decimated

And bushco criminally corrupt sit on their hands for days, doing nothing. The disaster could set the country back tens or even in the hundreds of billions but the bushco's are trying dismiss it as nothing of anything. Sounds like deja vu of the NYC disaster which the parlayed for reason to grasp more authority than they were entitled.

Watch carefully what they try to do with this chaos :think:

[Bo]

24. it is also quite apparent that N.O.

Had no plan whatsoever to deal with a catastrophe this large. Dumb Shits

[steve2470]

25. I agree, NOLA officials and LA officials need to be scrutinized also nt

[Cleita]

28. Yeah, we have had an eruption of RW talking points

thrown at us with no facts to back up what they say and much of it from older DUers who should know better.

[mshasta]

30. que?

I didn't said shit.....

[lpbk2713]

34. Boosh wants to be recorded as the deadliest president in history.

The only one that would be hard for him to beat is Lincoln (another repub)

[steve2470]

40. shameless altruistic kick nt

[blondeatlast]

41. But, but, but... He values LIFE.

:sarcasm:

Perfect, and simple enough for the those that crawl outta the woodwork to understand.

"Woodwork squeaks and out come the freaks..." Was (not Was)

[Chichiri]

42. Good OP. Thanks.

[steve2470]

43. This post was in response to the post below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4526550

[huskerlaw]

44. You are entirely correct, sir.

I just had a conversation with my *-loving mother where I made essentially the same points. At first she tried to defend him, although only half-heartedly. But she soon gave up and the conversation ended with her quietly saying, "you're right."

Horrifyingly sad that this many people had to die before some people would figure it out. :cry:

[titoresque]

45. yikes, well I never challenged

you. So I'm sure you are not talking about me, and I honestly don't know of whom or what thread you are speaking of. But..........I think this would also be a good time to point out that just becasue people here are "newbies" does not mean they are stupid,young,new to politics,uneducated, etc.

In most cases it just means that we were finally lucky enough to find all of you. So kindly shove your arrogance....uh, somewhere dark ;)

[steve2470]

46. of course it had nothing to do with people like you

At the moment, that was the best word I could think of besides saying FREEPERS lol

And I won't accept your gift either :-)

[titoresque]

48. LOL!

ok.....ok.........god Im turning into a total bitch! I really should have stayed out of this, especially when I started by basically saying "I have no idea what you are talking about"

Sorry......everything going on, Im seriously losing it. Feel free to tar and feather :)

[titoresque]

47. P.S.

I agree with all of your points BTW....it's just I'm sick of this "clique" mentality where "newbies" are challenged like we're idiots. Could it be that the low post count from whoever went head to head with your research was made by freepers?
Just a thought

[steve2470]

49. He or she probably was. Of course, calling someone a freeper or

some other vile name is against the rules. In my passion, I used that inaccurate word. I am sorry I "tarred and feathered" all you folks new to DU. You are absolutely correct, there is no correlation between post count and political knowledge..

Thanks for posting back. Honestly, enjoy your stay here ! :-)

[steve2470]

50. shameless altruistic kick nt