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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:43 AM
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The Reason the airport was shut down
The city closed the airport down because of tactical concerns about being able to get planes back out again.

Airline Ground personel being citizens of NO had to get out of town as well... It was a mandatory order to evac.

There was no one there to manage the passengers loading. Suitcases, family pets, etc.

Airport workers had to get out of town with their families as well.

There was no conspiracy to deny African Americans this escape route. THis was not about airline profits.

Cmon people...think before you post!!!

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:44 AM
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1. Bullshit.
Military people -- Air force people - Should have taken over IMMEDIATELY
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:48 AM
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4. Thanks for the Naive response
what military personnel? what planes?

No one is trained to do commercial ops.

sure you fly in C5-A at incredbile cost and you had no certainty that Katrina would hoit the city 24 hours ahead of time.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:50 AM
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7. I know my Air force.
Most of the Reserve are airline personnel. They know JUST how to do this.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:48 AM
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5. Thanks for the Naive response
what military personnel? what planes?

No one is trained to do commercial ops.

sure you fly in C5-A at incredbile cost and you had no certainty that Katrina would hoit the city 24 hours ahead of time.

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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:49 AM
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6. I agree
The Governor of Lousiana said that they were abandoned by the airlines, that they were refusing to fly to Louisiana with an empty plane since people were cancelling flights into NO. She said that flights were being cancelled as early as Saturday, stranding tourist and citizens. Government should have taken over at that point.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:54 AM
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11. Which governemnt?
THe state is not empowered and FEMA MIlitary can not comandeeer commercial airlines until the disaster hits.


the city could not very well order the airline workers to stay. Its is nopt their jusrisdiction.


The state? Prior to to the Hurricane hitting.. Ordering airlines to service the city.....they simply do not have the autority.

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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:59 AM
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15. The same Govenment that bails
Their asses out everytime there is a national problem. That government
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:51 AM
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9. What Military


Bush had to give the order.....he was on vacation......but everything is going to be OK...bush says so.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:04 PM
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17. You mean declare martial law?
I thought they did that, it didn't go over too well.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:41 PM
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21. I work at a Naval Air Station a great deal of the time...
the military moves their planes whenever a hurricane (or even a tropical storm) is near.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:47 PM
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22. Right. But the storm was gone days ago. This happened today. nt
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:45 AM
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2. I don't have a problem with them shutting
down the airport, it is WHEN they shut it down
Even the governor said they could have got more people out of there.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:46 AM
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3. OK, even if it wasn't racism...it was gross incompetence...
...which reaches the level of criminal negligence. It simply should not have happened.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:51 AM
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8. I don't disgree
I am just saying to be conspiratorial or play the race card or to say it was the airline pulling out for financial reasons is just foolish.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:54 AM
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10. Nonsense
Planes were still flying mere moments before Andrew hit and that was a CAT 5 so that excuse is complete and utter nonsense. The real reason was to safeguard their million dollar planes. Property over people is the creed these days and it's f***ing disgusting.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:58 AM
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13. you statement needs to be backed up with facts.
THere is n way planes were landing at MIA minutes before andrew.

Not with the air pressure drpppin...not with the feeder bland an 100 MPH winds.... It simply is not possible to fly commercially in those conditions,
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:36 PM
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19. I didn't say landing I said taking off
And yes there were planes still there cause there are picture of the planes strewn all over the airport.

Now where are your facts?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:58 AM
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14. you statement needs to be backed up with facts.
THere is n way planes were landing at MIA minutes before andrew.

Not with the air pressure drpppin...not with the feeder bland an 100 MPH winds.... It simply is not possible to fly commercially in those conditions,
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:56 AM
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12. There are many stories of foreign/national tourists...
who went to the airport on Sat, were told the flights were cancelled, there were no alternate flights, and had to ride out the storm at the downtown Hyatt/Marriott/etc.

There were also the first accusations of price gouging on some flights on Sat that were reported to the Attorney General's office... I haven't heard anything else on this, the news has gotten so much worse now...

I can't believe that the NG was not able to go in, and assume ops in the commercial airport on Monday, as soon as the outer bands were finished in the area. As someone said, this entire disaster recovery is a huge FUBAR mess...
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:03 PM
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16. Tuesday Morning QUarterbacking.
LOok people who stayed had no idea the Levees would break...THE NG had no idea the levees would break.

The airlines had no idea the levees would break.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:35 PM
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18. I sure hope you are being sarcastic...
They did know the levees would breach. This was a huge concern because they knew the levees were only rated to Cat 3 level hurricane strength.

Bush slashed funding to upgrade these levees, and now FEMA is STILL not doing its job.

A General on WWL just said "FEMA's behavior is a NATIONAL DISGRACE!!!" This was a well know possible disaster in the making, and they stopped the funding to prevent it. Now they are mismanaging this rescue op just like they mismanaged the country for the past 4 yrs...
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:39 PM
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20. And no one ever thought people would use planes as bombs.
Whatever! All I heard on Saturday and Sunday was how the levees might burst if the hurricane hit NO dead on.
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