A bit of advice: Ignore orders from emergency officials in an emergency

[tk2kewl]

9/11 people in the south tower were told to stay put after the first plane hit

NOLA people were told to go to the Superdome and Convention Center where there is no meaningful assistance and are then jailed there by NG

Do whatever you think you need to do to protect yourself and your family PERIOD!

[The Traveler]

1. The Superdome move saved lives

But the Mayor was counting on normal response from the outside world ... and the nation failed New Orleans miseably.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Bull, they were sent to a death trap

All day Sunday they had people lined up waiting outside to get in. They could have easily sent buses and gotten the people out of the Mandatory Evacuation Zone. There is no place for any shelter within a Mandatory Evacuation Zone. Even if this was a last resort, then by Monday the buses should have been coming in to get the people out or at the least enough food and water so the people didn't have to starve to death. We have been doing this for 5 days now and the people are now being kept prisoner and are not being allowed to leave. This is beyond criminal at this point.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

5. Yes, with all the time it took to get the people into the Superdome, they

could have sent all the public transit and school buses out into the neighborhoods to pick up anyone who wanted to leave. There would have been very few people left in town when the levees broke.

[The Traveler]

6. In an ideal world, yes

But ... there comes a time in an evacuation where ya gotta stop moving 'cause the storm is on ya. Also, I don't know about New Orleans but here in Atlanta the school buses are notoriously unreliable. Take 'em for a 100 mile sustained drive and 5-10 percent of 'em will break down on the way. Add to that the fact that after the storm a LOT more people started showing up at the Dome and the civic center ... and there are many, many more people trapped in their attics even now.

Moral of story: There is no way to clear a major US city on such short notice. Not without major Federal assistance. Hey ... fuck this ... the whole thing could have been avoided by FIXING THE FUCKING LEVEES!!! before a Cat 4 hit.

[daleo]

11. But that would cost money.

The Superdome was a much less expensive solution. That's it in a nutshell.

[rocktivity]

9. The Superdome move WOULD have saved EVERYONE's lives

if it had been properly equipped to handle the people and had a way to transport people to other locations. Which it could have if the local, state, and federal government HAD WORKED OUT A PROPER EVACUATION PLAN BEFOREHAND!!!!

:mad:
rocknation

[The Magistrate]

12. That Is The Crux Of It, Ma'am

[The Traveler]

15. We don't disagree

I just don't want to see the Mayor of New Orleans become the scapegoat for this sad affair. He has jurisdiction WITHIN THE CITY ... and did what could be done WITHIN THE CITY. There will be much in the way of analysis and revelation in the months ahead .. but I stand by these statements.

1) Everyone had a reasonable expectation that the Federal government would act within 3 days to relieve the refugees in New Orleans and
2) So far (after 6 days) they have done a PISS POOR job of performing that function.

THIS is what happens when you "starve the beast". THIS is what happens when critical infrastructure projects are labelled "pork" by a White House that has lost track of our money in Iraq. THIS is what happens when a bunch of elitist ass holes are allowed to drive the bus.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. OTOH, evacuating was a good call, assuming you had the means

[bluestateguy]

4. I would add one more thing

If you are able bodied and resourceful, never travel with the masses. Go it alone, rather than getting swept away like something out of the movie Soylent Green.

[fishnfla]

7. OneAdam12: dont quit your day job *squelch*

that is the shittiest advice ever

[tk2kewl]

8. LOL...

I have a ot more faith in myself than most authority figures

[KoKo]

10. You said it! And, it's been duly noted....

because what you say has some truth. Now, I could say would I rather have been knocking holes in my roof with a crowbar and then clinging to that roof for days in the heat and broiling sun...or would I have rather been in the Super Dome.

I think that's a hard choice. :eyes: But, I think I'd rather maybe "go out" than be in a Bush "Concentration Camp." I'm waiting for the "delousing showers" to begin. These people are being moved from place to place like cattle to the slaughter house.

I know that this is a huge disaster...and that many more lives have been saved this way...and Lord knows what choices I would have had to make as an official with folks who couldn't get out...but to open the "Super Dome." But, one hopes that a different President would have made better allocations of resources. In Bush America one's better trying to figure out how to survive on one's own. It's the only "feedom" we might have left. :-(

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. All I know is that I will never go somewhere these incompetent

idiots suggest where I remain their captive for as long as they deem it. NO way no how! They have taught me well and good not to trust them!

[Coventina]

19. Death or Bush's concentration camp.....

Wow, what a great choice.

Neither one particularly appeals to me.

What a world.

*sigh*

[lpbk2713]

14. Let me share something with you I learned about 40 years ago

during the Viet Nam era (veteran 65 - 69). It has kept me alive and well all this time and I will give it to you for free.


ALWAYS QUESTION AUTHORITY

I have been a pain in the ass sometimes to people I worked with and for but I would not do it any different if I had to do it over again.


People who have the authority to tell other people what to do have their own agenda and your personal welfare may not be even a small part of it.

[KoKo]

16. Amen to that.

better a pain in the butt, than butt dead.

[mondo joe]

17. What you'd need to measure is the survival rate of those who went to

the Dome and Center vs those who did otherwise in the city.

As bad as the Dome and Center were, if you are more likely to come out alive that's the top priority.

Ultimately there isn't a one-size-fits-all answer. You have to think quick, be smart and take advantage of any luck that comes your way.

[Coventina]

18. I wouldn't say "ignore" I would say "scrutinize"

Don't let orders get in the way of your common sense.

After all, it's all about "personal responsibility", right?

:eyes:

[TankLV]

20. I would add - if there are Democrats in control, then I would trust them.

But never, ever, trust a repuke controlled government or official. Never. You will be better for it.