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clover Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:10 PM
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What's up with tucker carlson, insisting on calling katrina
survivors "refugees"? why so defensive? why not simply change words since he quotes "folks" in la. being pissed about the use of refugee?
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:12 PM
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1. Send Me Tucker's Next Paycheck And I'll Explain Everything
until then, I'm busy trying to survive.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:25 PM
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2. Qhy? Cuz Tucker is a Fucker. That should clear it up.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:33 PM
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3. I can call them many things.
I personally prefer refugee. It means that they're people that have fled, and are seeking shelter or refuge from bad conditions.

Evacuee just means that somebody's evacuated them. That doesn't apply to most people, as far as I'm concerned.

I can call them migrants, but that understates the issue.

I can call them internally displaced persons, but that's UN-speak, partially driven because they've redefined 'refugee' to entail something like 'across an international border'.

Perhaps 'huddled masses'? Maybe if we could get them all together, huddling .... :shrug:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:40 PM
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6. How about survivors?
I know what you're saying, but the word does have some subtle connotations (disconnecting effects), I think. "Refugee" just sounds wrong, somehow. JMHO.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:53 PM
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7. 400,000 people or more fled NOLA before Katrina left.
It sounds rather melodramatic to call them survivors. Apart from a traffic jam and bad hotel food, their survival was pretty much guaranteed.

We've had so few refugees in this country, and so few contexts in which to use it, that it seems strange to use it: it only applies to "them people over there", never to us. But it's the word with the definition that best fits, and was used in bygone decades to describe people in precisely the kind of situation we see today.

It's rather like 'migrant'. We used to have them, too.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:58 PM
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10. Point taken. I had in mind the people who weren't able to leave. nt
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:59 PM
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11. Nope. Only white people can be called survivors. That's exactly
what they should be called because that's what they are. I'm white, but I just am angry that these poor people are being treated differently than the people in the Florida hurricane. I don't recall them being called refugees for Christ's sake.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:34 PM
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4. I saw a woman in NO on local news sweeping up debris.
She looked into the camera and said, "I'm not a refugee, I'm a UNITED STATES CITIZEN." Sure sounded pissed.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:39 PM
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5. No one seems to be fair to Tucker. He is making a point about the
government. He said they were refugees from their own city. He is saying the Feds created refugees in our own country.
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clover Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:01 PM
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12. tucker carlson dissing the feds with his choice of words?
and defending the term after being, IMHO, rightly chastised TWICE? he's too arrogant for subtle language cues as you suggest.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:54 PM
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8. Because he's ignorant
You are not a refugee when you are still in your own country. This is part of their little psy-ops game.

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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:56 PM
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9. I can't bear to use the word "folks" since chimperor uses it all the time.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:01 PM
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13. "Refugee" is the best English descriptive term that I know...
Even though these people weren't displaced due to political strife, "refugee" does convey their situation rather accurately. Perhaps "displaced person" would be more equitable by you?

MojoXN
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