You think it's bad for Bush now? Wait till they start pulling bodies out

[goodboy]

of the houses they were trapped in for 5 days, until Bush could get his lazy ass down there to photo-op with a couple darkies, and then magically deploy all the rescue aid that they needed 5 days ago.

This staged photo-op garbage isn't going anywhere.

Faux will try to spin it by showing continuous footage of the thousands of helicopters and troops and trucks, and guns and tanks rolling in there because Chimpy said so.

But Faux already found out the hard way that it wouldn't work.

The smell must've gotten to Shep Smith and Geraldo.

Nope, not even a dead bigoted SCOTUS justice is gonna save Chimpy.

People will start talking about how more people died AFTER
The bodies will start piling up, so will the heat on Bush.

All we need now is for a prominent politician to say the "I" word...

and begin the debate that leads to the impeachment, conviction, removal from office, and trials for war-crimes, crimes against humanity, negligent genocide, and dereliction of duty.


Think about this for a second, regarding Hurricane Katrina: More Americans will have perished needlessly because of the Bush administrations incompetence than died in a CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE!

[SofaKingLiberal]

1. If the corpses of 10-15 thousand dead Americans don't

wake this country up, I don't know what will.

[ret5hd]

2. i'm guessing 50-75 thousand. (nt)

[OhioChick]

3. The sad thing is though.........

the MSM already seems to be in rejoice mode since the majority of people are out of NO. Will they give an accurate number of deceased, as well as enough coverage??

[Judi Lynn]

47. They always wildly understate the numbers of protestors at demonstrations

and you undoubtedly remember that the administration apparently put pressure on Iraqi officials right after the initial bombing of Baghdad to NOT COUNT THE IRAQI DEAD. It's still hard to believe.

Of course there's his bizarre hiding of the caskets of men and women killed in Iraq as they return to their homeland for burial. Flat out dishonesty in all areas, by this "born again" creature in the White House.

Our chances of learning from this administration just how many people he has managed to kill in New Orleans are pretty slim.

[bribri16]

66. They will hide these dead just like they hide the dead from Iraq.

We will never really know how many have been killed.

[Tomee450]

70. Right

Carole Mosley Braun said yesterday that she had heard reports that there would be mass graves depriving the dead a funeral with dignity.

[buzzard]

74. One way to counter that would be to have a database compiled by

the people, I don't know exactly how one would go about it but I think it could be done complete with names and addresses. I would probably take a lot of legwork and organization but it would be a start. Perhaps a website where people could provide the names etc. Just a thought I had a few days ago.

[Midlodemocrat]

72. The one thing I have noticed is a real

change in the reporting of this situation. I don't think a guy like Anderson Cooper, who has been to hell and back, would spin the news in favor of Bush. The guy appears to have been completely traumatized.

[lebkuchen]

5. Even the dumbest of RWers should be able to project

"Hey, this could happen to me! My poor RWhite ass is as good as dead if disaster strikes my neighborhood!"

[Lengsel]

9. asdfa

don't count on it.

[lebkuchen]

14. True, if they think God will be on their side, that confounds my theory

[goodboy]

31. maybe the American people haven't hit rock bottom yet. Maybe

they'll still support the Bushies until they kill 50,000 Americans due to their incompetence, carelessness and negligence.

[wake.up.america]

4. We think it is bad, the problem is that many don't see it as being bad...

many would defend him regardless of what he does.

[lebkuchen]

7. MS, AL and LA are red states

Do you think the poor white folk suffering in the Gulf regions think Bush did all he could to come to their aid as quickly as possible? (I refer to those who are still alive, of course.)

[MadeinOhio]

12. Its their lives up for grabs, and pretty much at the mercy...

I doubt they'd make that gamble with their own egos. They will turn against the Bush-Fraud mobile. But when all of them do, the real players are still at work.

We must clean out congress COMPLETELY of the Liebermans and the liars, yes of the democrats and republicans both!! :mad:

[wake.up.america]

15. I certainly hope so. A new mind set is needed!! The BS has to stop!

[Karenina]

64. New mind set...

INDICT. IMPEACH. IMPRISON.

[lebkuchen]

17. In their poverty, the typical RWhiters thought they had it good

with a flag on the porch and a Budweiser and musket in hands. Compared to the rest of the world, which they've never been able to afford travel to to test preconceived notions, they were of course wrong. But now that they have nothing, not even the flag, the beer or the pistola, and FEMA won't be reacting any faster in relieving their plight once they are rescued, the RWhite mind is going to have second thoughts about just how "great" America is.

[goodboy]

32. I think the country is getting it's conscience back slowly but surely, and

we're seeing evidence of that in some dramatic places.

Did you see Shep Smith and Geraldo the other day on Hannity and Colmbs?

www.crooksandliars.com


That's how I can tell things are a' changin'

[stevietheman]

42. And David Brooks has all but flipped (at least for now). n/t

n/t

[speedoo]

6. Right. And that's why they are desperately trying to turn around the ...

bad PR.

They are vicious and they will hold nothing back.

My hope is that when they really start slinging it (probably very soon) the Dems will realize they can't hold back any longer. They will have to show some spine or it will be very, very bad.

[Buns_of_Fire]

You won't have long to wait

Our Glorious Leader is scheduled to go back to New Orleans Monday for Operation Photo-Op II.

But before that, there's always Sunday morning's talk shows.

Be sure to stay hydrated between the bouts of puking.

[SammyWinstonJack]

71. Could they be any more transparent?

"Operation Photo-Op II" Given that most Americans know what Jr. was doing in the days leading up to Katrina not to mention what he was not doing in the days after, I wonder if they realize just how much they their fake photo ops are going to further alienate Americans? I know they don't care, but are they really that stupid?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. Or the bodies out of the convention center

If we're allowed to see it at all.

[bobbieinok]

10. agree....mass graves, media access restricted----have been suggested

[kath]

21. yep, get all the people out of the city, including the press, then there

will never be any accurate body count. Great way to work it, huh?

[dansolo]

68. That's probably why Bush wanted control over the LA National Guard

The National Guard are probably going to be heavily involved in the recovery of the bodies. With Bush in charge, he can more easily fudge the casualty numbers.

[me b zola]

22. Are there any cameras in NO?

Seriously. I haven't seen new footage since this morning.

I don't think cameras will see anything.

[CoffeeCat]

11. Do they think that many are still alive and trapped inside homes?

I hadn't heard about this lately, and I was wondering if anyone heard.

Do people believe that there are still many trapped inside the rafters of their homes, in high water?

If they do think this, then why don't we see hundreds/thousands of boats tapping on roofs and looking for people?

I don't mean to be dramatic--but I cannot imagine too many scenarios that would be more emotionally terrifying. I can barely stand to think about those people enduring that. They're in the dark. What about mothers trying to keep themselves and children alive?

Oh, it's just so awful and all I can do is hope. It's just terrible.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. I think there are.

I had a NOLA blog bookmarked but lost it somehow and there were lots of messages of people begging someone to go check ons uch and such in their attic or second floor. As of now, they are still blogging their messages. But I'm with you, I hope that's not the case.

:hi:

[Suich]

27. Check out this site, TS.

http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/

[goodboy]

37. There are people dying in their homes and on the street every day...

Red Cross is not allowed in.

NOLA residents not allowed out.

Guard in Iraq building new Islamic Theocracy = anarchy at home, no Guard to keep the peace.

Due to the Bush Administration's collective mental retardation, combined with genuine hate, greed, arrogance, and incredible stupidity more people will have died needlessly at their hands than were killed outright in the Hurricane itself.

[SmokingJacket]

73. The water rose six feet in five minutes.

I can only imagine that many people just ran upstairs without a saw or hammer to get through the roof...

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Do you really think they are going to allow cameras in there

once the water is drained?

We will never know how many people died. And that in itself is a tragedy.

[texanwitch]

20. Beat me to it, this is why Bush is bringing in all the troops.

Take pictures of the dead bodies and you might get shot.

Also the bodies will be so decomposed that I bet they will be buried a large mass graves. No real body count.

Bush is in trouble, he is going to cover his ass.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. There is no doubt in my mind that

we will never know exactly how many died.

[Ouabache]

49. This is why they refuse foreign aid

This is why they don't want Canada and France in there. The truth would get out. It will anyway though.

Impeachment is next.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. I hadn't thought of that

but I believe you are right.

Damn assholes. Now the whole world knows.

If you aren't watching CBS Sunday Morning, turn it on. They did a great piece on the reaction of ther foreign press. This show is ripping bush a new one. Story after story criticizing him and his policies. They are talking about Corps of Engineers now.

[Tyranny_R_US]

16. Don't worry any camera person caught taking pictures will be shot...

...on sight and their camera equipment will be destroyed. God bless our men and women in uniform :sarcasm:

[linazelle]

18. You're right. We will never get total body counts.nt

[MadeinOhio]

19. Not this time......not if WE can help it!!!!!

We surround the camera person with people and protection, and no Army will dare open fire! That way they can capture all of the images and really show what our third world country is. :mad:

[Lengsel]

24. sdfgafaa

We're always saying that "this time is it. America won;t take it anymore," only to have nothing happen. I am afraid that all this will be blamed on the mayor or the governor. I already read where guys were making fun of the mayor saying that he wanted Bush to come save him. I wonder if the public has a brain. It's hard for me to believe that anything will be different now, especially since no one cared that we started a war that didn;t need to be ofught.

[linazelle]

35. You are soooo right. I talked to several friends and family members

and most are really clueless about how deeply the lies and deception run with BushCo.

I was trying to get a feel for several things when I talked to these people. One was, whether they consider Bush responsible and whether they are fed up. Most don't really know if Bush is responsible, let alone that he knew about the levee threat and cut funding. As for whether this is the last straw, they are so not at that point. I really don't know what it will take. I plan to take several family members to DC on September 24th to get them more involved.

[MadeinOhio]

41. That exscuse is already dead, the letter is proof the mayor couldn't do

Shit, and those answers will reach america soon enough and they will see why. :argh:

[wli]

26. not convinced

I'm pretty sure they will fire, and if fire is returned, they'll bomb.

[MadeinOhio]

40. And then they will get that video out for everyone to see!!!!

ALL that's important is to get the videos out, take a helicopter and other crew and go in there. Be like Cindy Sheehan, Kent State does not need to go and repeat!!!

:patriot:

[Buns_of_Fire]

34. I'm old enough to remember Kent State

Those were National Guardsmen, too.

Besides, once everyone who can be is evacuated, I expect that the remains of New Orleans will be in lockdown (much as it is already). No one in, no one out, with several "Checkpoint Charlies" set up to control access.

Your papers, citizen?

[itzamirakul]

43. I graduated from Kent State BEFORE the massacre...

so, I, too, am old enough to remember the "legalized" slaughter of innocents. The rotten governor never suffered one bit. It is amazing how this criminals get elected to office, commit even more crimes and have enough supporters to protect them.

[kestrel91316]

28. Hmmmmm, maybe some clever people need to get set up with cameras

in strategic locations indoors there, to spy on the body recovery process. Like positioned within view of access points to the shut-off areas, or major intersections inside the city. Do some undercover filming. They would need to sneak in, have water distillation equipment (solar still for sailing trips?) to get drinking water from the contaminated stuff. They could go to where there are known food stores (restaurant?). And watch, and film, and document numbers of bodies.

Don't suppose we have any courageous, bold, daring media types anymore to do this. But a girl can dream.

[KharmaTrain]

25. How About Clearing The City?

That's my concern. After all those who want to leave are gone, there will still be those who want to stay and are armed and prepared to shoot it out. The guns are silent for now, but once the cameras and focus goes elsewhere, New Orleans will remain a shell of a city with some very dangerous people still left inside.

The other night Mayor Nagin referred to the many Meth and other addicts who formed Mogadishu-style gangs; roving in pick-up trucks. These people aren't gonna want to head to a FEMA shelter and the empty city will offer a booty of goods...especially when the waters receded.

While I hope these are just a handful, I suspect this is going to delay any recovery of bodies or clean-up.

Never before has an entire American city been condemned and closed. This is New Orleans immediate fate. Everyone will have to be cleared out so the water can be drained (what's going on with that??), debris removed...then dried...accessing the damage block by block and then the dastardly chore of going home by home, apartment by apartment to find those who didn't make it out alive. I suspect we're 4 to 6 months from these terrible days.

[linazelle]

36. Clearing the city will just allow them to hide the dead and let them rot.

[KharmaTrain]

45. How Do You Suggest It's Done?

You can't let the survivors back into an area that is loaded with all sorts of toxins, into buildings that aren't structurally safe.

Sadly, the dead are already rotting and I pity those who will have that gruesome task once these buildings will be entered into. This could be months...maybe a year away.

The first priority after clearing the water will be to fix the levees and the restoration of basic services...water, electrical, communications. And this is going to have to be done for an entire city...not a neighborhood. This alone will take months, if not years. And be assured the French Quarter and Downtown will get the first focus while the 9th ward and poorer areas will sit for a long time.

Just like with 9/11, there will be bodies that are never recovered...or, sadly, for years there will be remnants of remains that will turn up that will have to be identified. The forsenic challenge ahead is unpresecedented.

[rainbow4321]

29. Those bodies may be too decomposed to look like bodies...

I know nothing about the waters down there but my HS daughter said her teacher was talking about the area's water...said that with the makeup of the water the way it is, bodies decompose quicker than they would elsewhere. So even when the water recedes, there may be no bodies left to find. Which means no body count. Thousands will be listed as "missing", probably much like the WTC victims.


I did hear somewhere that as the rescuers were going around towns looking for survivors would tie any bodies that they found along the way to stop signs so later on the bodies could be found "easier", as opposed to floating away and never found.

[AuntiBush]

30. All I Can Say is this is the WORSE PRESIDENT EVER!

Our country has been destroyed by his evil NEOCONS! But we have to have hope. I seen huge turn arounds everywhere today. Everyone is sincerely fed-up with Bush, Cheney, Rice and the whole lot of them -- never seen so much disgust with government and I mean all of them.

They want their country back to pre-2000, yesterday. I'm talking normal, average, everyday people from all walks of life, race, creed, city to suburbs, housewives, firemen, you name it.

[VolcanoJen]

33. Guys, seriously. Nobody in Red State America cares.

I've written about my shock and dismay at this realization in other threads.

NOBODY CARES.

I live in head-up-its-ass Cincinnati, the region in Ohio responsible for giving America Bush's second term, and down here, well, all anyone can talk about is the upcoming NFL season.

Bring up the hurricane, and you'll get this: "Oh, that? I haven't watched that stuff. Too depressing. We went to go see 'Wedding Crashers' last night and it was awesome!"

Or, even more common: "Damn, I wonder where the Saints will play this year? 'Cause they say the Superdome is pretty fucked up."

This, too: "Oh, the hurricane? I haven't been paying attention. I thought New Orleans got spared? It looks like everything's better now at least."

Often, you'll hear this: "Why didn't they leave?? And the ones that stayed? Animals. Did you see them filling shopping carts with TV sets?"

Sometimes, this: "Well, at least gas prices are back down so I guess we don't need to be that worried."

And this, but I only heard it from one person, the same person who told me the day after the '04 election that it was God's will that Kerry didn't win:

"Thank God President Bush showed up. Things are happening now and that mayor and governor were obviously incompetent."

So, I just have to say that in my little corner of the world, it's going to take a lot more than 10,000 bodies to wake people up out of their comfy, cozy bubble where everything's groovy and perfect.

Maybe something will change, and I am very sad to report my growing cynicism, but that's the way I see it, in the southwestern corner of Ohio.

[recoveringdittohed]

53. I disagree even in SW Ohio the right wing local paper begins to get a clue

The lead editorial in Today's Cincinnati Enquirer calls for "hard line caring" and that we must make sure that the "American Refugees" are not abandoned.

It's as if a light bulb, or at least a dim 15 watt one, is appearing above the collective heads of the papers editorial staff.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050904/EDIT01/509040314/1020/edit

[mwb970]

56. Meanwhile, the Columbus Dispatch is mute.

Our only newspaper, in its post-Katrina Sunday edition, has not one word in the entire newspaper about the backlash against the federal response to the hurricane. Not one word. In the whole paper. Amazing!

[VolcanoJen]

58. Right, but the Enquirer refuses to criticize their precious Bush

For example, this line in the editorial:

Nobody expected them to need shelter after the storm passed. That's because, as President Bush said, nobody expected the levees to fail. Well apparently not enough people expected it. Or not the right people.

We all know better than that. The Enquirer is backing him up.

I was underwhelmed by that editorial, but thanks for trying.

[wellstone_democrat]

38. we cannot allow this to be done in secret

we must speak out loudly on every blog and in our own lives.
The dead deserve at least the dignity of being counted as well as we can count them.

We cannot let them claim "privacy" as they allowed no privacy in life to anyone in New Orleans at even their most private moments this week. We must speak out.

[judgegina]

44. This is not my America....

get rid of this asshole, now!!!!

[Mabus]

46. Here's a list of the deadliest hurricanes

Also note the years. It has been over one hundred years since a hurricane has been so deadly. Even in 1915 when New Orleans was hit by a Category 4 there were only 275 lives lost.

RANKING HURRICANE YEAR CATEGORY DEATHS
1. TX (Galveston) 1900 4 8000+
2. FL (Lake Okeechobee) 1928 4 1836
3. FL (Keys)/S. TX 1919 4 600#
4. NEW ENGLAND 1938 3* 600
5. FL (Keys) 1935 5 408
6. AUDREY (SW LA/N TX) 1957 4 390
7. NE U.S. 1944 3* 390@
8. LA (Grand Isle) 1909 4 350
9. LA (New Orleans) 1915 4 275
10. TX (Galveston) 1915 4 275



Pre-1900's

ADDENDUM (Pre-1900 or not Atlantic/Gulf Coast):
2. LA 1893 Unk 2000
2-3. SC/GA 1893 Unk 1000-2000
3. GA/SC 1881 Unk 700
9. San Felipe (Puerto Rico) 1928 4 312
13. U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico 1932 2 225
17. DONNA (St. Thomas, VI) 1960 4 107
24. Southern California 1939 TS& 45
24. ELOISE (Puerto Rico) 1975 TS& 44

source: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdead.html

[unhappycamper]

48. Tinfoil hat time: If martial law is imposed, the military controls

ALL media. Nothing gets out unless they approve. I'll bet you won't see the carnage. :tinfoilhat:

They are targeting and killing journalists in Iraq; what makes you think that won't happen here? :tinfoilhat:

Tthe new generation crowd control sonic weapons are in place in NOLA. :tinfoilhat:

A recent Army Times article (Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans) tells us the Army is moving in to combat the insurgency. :tinfoilhat:

[Perky]

50. 12.000 in NO

mostly due to dehydration and heat prostration from bieing stuck on roogs or in attics in the days after theHurrican and the flooding


THat is the story

[symbolman]

51. I think they'll burn what's left of the houses.

to get rid of the evidence, they always get rid of the evidence, 911 steel carted away (that was a CRIME SCENE) and sold to japan or something.. after they killed Saddam's sons (and a 14 year old boy) they BULLDOZED the house (A CRIME SCENE)..

Waco, they burned it, gone, no evidence.

I have a feeling that NO is too important oil wise to let a bunch of poor folks hang around, terrorists (and I'm speaking from BushCo's viewpoint) could easily infiltrate or pay off poor folks to cut our oil supply quickly..

They are taking advantage of what would have happened if Terrorists had hit NO, instead it was a hurricane, but to them it served the same purpose. Clear the poor, and who is going to ever want to return to a place they were tortured in? Fill the buildings with Halliburton, Bechtel, Oil Industry, etc. LEAVE the troops there to guard the oil platforms, refineries, etc.

Then rebuild all the fun places for getting drunk and whoreing for the troops in general and the higher class stuff for the Oil Execs.

I think NO is going to become "Halliburton City" and while there will be areas for tourists, there will be places where you'll get your head blown off if you peek over the wrong fence, if you can get close enough.

No, the had a plan for this area, just like 911, only Christmas came a little early this year for them and they weren't ready for the Photo ops, etc with Bush so low.. needed to bring some troops back first after they get those 14 bases built in the Middle East to command the area, and control the oil when the "govt" there wants to move it and makes their deals with US and US only.

Hence the no need for foreigners in this process.

NO will burn to the ground if Halliburton rebuilds it, remember, Bush kept saying the 10 BILLION was only a DOWN PAYMENT - he neglected to tell us the other 250 BILLION will be flowing into Halliburton's pockets while they build their dream city.

It's just a piece of real estate to them, and those people were like "prarie dogs" or "doves" and needed to be cleared out, kill them or send them off with their asses burning and they won't be back.

I hope they all (Bush CO) get ass, testicular and brain cancer and take a good 5 years to die.

[Lindsay]

52. I'm afraid you're right.

Martial law had already been declared in NOLA. It's not going to be undeclared.

Fortunately they decided not to shoot unarmed civilians. But they're not going to allow pictures of whatever recovery they do. And they can always claim the environmental conditons (yeah, like they've ever really cared about that) make in unsafe for anyone but the Trained Professionals.

There's got to be a way to bring public pressure to recover and identify the bodies of the dead - but damned if I know what that way might be.


on edit: typo - insufficient caffeine in the bloodstream

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

54. All I can say is, THEY BETTER SHOW IT ON TV.

No sanitizing because it's "too horrible to show".

You better BELIEVE shrubco will try to have a lot of armed presence AFTER it's too late to save people, so they can control what images come out as best they can.

Their ability to do so here in the states is limited though.

[shadowknows69]

55. I don't think we'll see much of that

they're already in "happy happy stories of rescue" mode.

[NNN0LHI]

57. National Guard has arrived. No more pictures of dead bodies allowed

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02134169.htm

Murder and mayhem in New Orleans' miserable shelter

<snip>He then offered to show reporters the dead bodies of a man in a wheelchair, a young man who he said he dragged inside just hours earlier, and the limp forms of two infants, one just four months old, the other six months old.

"They died right here, in America, waiting for food," Fouchea said as he walked toward Hall D, where the bodies were put to get them out of the searing heat.

He said people were let die and left without food simply because they were poor and that the evacuation effort earlier concentrated on the French Quarter of the city. "Because that's where the money is," he spat.

A National Guardsman refused entry.

"It doesn't need to be seen, it's a make-shift morgue in there," he told a Reuters photographer. "We're not letting anyone in there anymore. If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq."

[goodboy]

60. it's surreal, but if you didn't know, looking at some of the video, you'd

think it was somalia or something like that.

[pepperlove]

61. Amen again.....

and the freepers sure seem to be quiet right now.... trying to figure how to spin all this to their favor. It is going to be a JOKE when they do to those who SEE and HEAR.... already is... how can the slob sleep at night?

[goodboy]

62. the spin will stop real quick, as the piles of bodies are lain at *'s feet

not even Faux will be able to ignore it.

we may see riots in cities all over the US

[pepperlove]

63. He will just balem it

all on someone else's slow motion or mis-information... someone else will take the fall. It is sickening. It has already begun - the spin....

[lateo]

65. If 9/11 didn't sink Bush...Katrina won't either.

This eternal optimimism that "bush is going down" always gives me a chuckle.

Bush is more than a teflon president...he is untouchable. This thread will disappear into the archives, the media will continue to carry water for Bush, and life will go on as usual.

[B Calm]

67. Just like the black out of returning coffins from Iraq, I look for the

press to be kicked out of NO.

[Tomee450]

69. They probably will not tell the truth

about the body count. Probably will say it's a lot lower than it actually is.