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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:27 AM
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Why Bush is doomed (seriously)...
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 09:31 AM by TwoSparkles
As much as we saw through his bullshit, Bush had two things going for him:

1.) He's was perceived (by some) as a decisive leader who sticks to his guns and is quick to react with resolve and conviction. Love him or hate him--he's steadfast.

2.) Americans (some Americans anyway) see him as "strong on terrorism" and as a pResident who is working diligently to protect the country against a terrorist attack. Currently, the only poll in which Bush has broke a 50 percent approval rating, is on his handling of the "war on terror".

Bush's perceived strengths have completely washed away with the city of New Orleans.

His administration's lack of preparedness and plan of action--make him look like a man with no resolve, no conviction and no leadership. He looks wishy-washy, ineffectual and discombobulated. People are dying and suffering due to his lack of resolve and conviction.

Furthermore, Bush and his administration have shown that they totally failed to prepare for a national disaster that we knew about days in advance. Their failure begs the question, "If Bush so egregiously botches a disaster that he had days for which to prepare--how on Earth could he possibly handle a surprise terrorist attack?" America sees thousands suffering--and even dying--because the governemnt couldn't get them a bottle of water three days after the hurricane hit. People see the suffering and the abandonment, by our government. They wonder and imagine, "What would happen to me--if a terrorist attack happened in my town?" They have no choice but to assume that they are on their own--that they cannot rely on Bush to save them from the terrorist--as he's always said he would do.

The President has lost credibility. He can never be taken seriously when he talks about his "resolve" or "determination" on any subject; nor can he be taken seriously about his ability to protect the nation in the "war on terror".

He's done.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:28 AM
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1. All valid points
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:29 AM
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2. He'll get away with all of it, as he always does.
He's a teflon boyking. Nothing can touch him. He lives the charmed life of a sociopath that normal people can neither understand nor destroy. :(
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pepperlove Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:33 AM
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6. And THAT.....
is true and sickening. :puke:
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:02 AM
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21. One of Bush's many neurosis is...
...his inability to see the gray areas...all he sees is black and white. You and the poster before you are doing the same thing! You only see two sides...either we put him on a pedestal or we hang him....and nothing in between.

1) After 9/11 his approval ratings were in the 90's. Now they are in the low 40's.

2) After 9/11 NOBODY criticized him. Now he's being bombarded by everyone, even the MSM.

If you can't see the difference, that he is falling fast...just because he hasn't hit bottom yet...then too bad for you.

BTW...teflon wears off. As soon as it starts, stuff sticks even more than a regular non-teflon pan.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:21 AM
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24. Good point about "teflon" after
the surface gets scratched! Teflon is also toxic.
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pepperlove Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:30 AM
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25. I want you
to be right. So bad. Ijust have not seen it yet --- * always lands on his arrogant feet. I like YOUR scenario better though so I will bow.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:35 AM
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9. I would like to stop
reading this opinion! HOW COULD HE?

We are the People. WE are the government. How can we let him get away with this?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:45 AM
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14. I'm just stating facts, as sad as they are.
I don't think it's about letting him. He just gets away with everything.

Where's the impeachment committee? This is his second term, he's a war criminal, usurps the Constitution, none of it sticks.

This won't either. Believe me, it makse me as sick as the next person, but I don't see any real change.

The repukes could lose the next election, if the Dems will get their caca together and unite behind one good candidate.

Clark's the man~!
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pepperlove Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:36 AM
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26. From your keyboard
to God's ears... "we, the people" went out with the Repug take-over.... we BETTER do somethiing strong in 2006-2008 or this nation is over so far as freedom.

I feel so angry that the mayor of NO has "calmed".... I wager he got the "stop it or die" speech from some * nazi... or * himself on the plane... he has backed flipped already ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:40 AM
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28. What flavor Kool-Aid did Bush serve the mayor?
He went in all feisty and mad and came out all docile and defanged.
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pepperlove Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:15 AM
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31. Probably
a Nazi command or a Mafia one... making him a proposItion he could not refuse (and live to tell about). He sure is back peddling these days.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:54 AM
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20. Do you really believe that?
I agree we are the People but we most certainly are not the Govt. The Govt is of, for and by the corporations. The only way we can regain our voice in the Govt. is to hit the streets & we both know Americans are to lazy and complacent to do that.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:36 AM
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12. Maybe, maybe not.
Up to now, * has been able to dodge responsibility virtually all his life because he knows he wait it out until it goes away. And so far, so good. The dems' voices get softer, the media finds a new white female with an issue to take over (if it actually was interested in * to begin with), and even as a group, we lose our focus. In short, what * has going in his favor is a national short attention span.

Not if this issue is a loop. Perpetual. Unable to be silenced. If WE let him get away with it, he will. We need to coordinate phases of keeping this alive and not get discouraged for initial lack of response.
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:30 AM
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3. Nothing will ever touch him. Nothing. Except his political image.....
And its time to make it rot so he's always remembered as a lame duck POS. :evilgrin:

That's how someone resigns.
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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:31 AM
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4. yes. The excuse for 911 was
that it was a surprise - "no one thought terrorists would fly planes into buildings", so you can't really be prepared for that. No one was looking at the emergency response to that the way they're looking at Katrina.

Well written. I hope Bush's previous supporters are smart enough to think of it!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:31 AM
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5. and we discovered...
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 09:31 AM by C_U_L8R
that Bush cares more for cake than black people.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:34 AM
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7. He's done? If only that were true.
He still has nearly 3.5 years in office and there's a compliant republican congress to support him. They will not impeach, you can count on that.

The best shot at impeachment is after January, 2007, if (could be a big IF) the congress turns Dem and even then it's questionable.

Putting impeachment aside, as is likely, a Dem congress after 01/07 will have little chance of reversing any of *'s policies while he's still in office. It'll be a stalemate.

Sorry, but none of this is cause for me to hope for the best.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:50 AM
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18. One major point....
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 09:51 AM by madeline_con
He's a repuke with repuke worshippers.

The majority of the people in N.O., the hardest hit, are poor blacks.

Repukes are mostly racist buttwipes. It does not matter to them. They're worrying about tourism and football, not human life. DUH-bya will be seen as the guy who "saved" the shipping, petroleum, casinos, etc. :(
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:35 AM
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10. The Great Awakening
I hope so.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:35 AM
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11. Think how much capitol the Bushies would have gained had they done
right thing. Shows that they are not as smart as many have given them
credit for. Instead of having to cover up, KKK Rove should have figured out they could have proved how wonderful and decisive the ***hole is by acting immediately. Now they lost it all.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:42 AM
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13. If I had a nickel...
One of these days, one of these prediction will pan out...I'm sure.

:shrug:
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:45 AM
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15. Your Dreaming (Seriously)...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:48 AM
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16. He'll just blame everything on the clenis
and emerge unscathed, at least in the eyes of his hardcore sycophants. What do those people see in him?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:48 AM
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17. Americans have always been willing to tolerate immense human suffering
of other people, US soldiers, even, as long as the suffering took place in a far-away country and didn't interrupt the usual American routine of trips to the mall and McDonalds.

Since Katrina, America's greatest nightmare scenario has been realized, again, and under Bush's "leadership." Ever since Reagan, Americans have been terrified of the "boogeyman," whether the Nicaraguans, the Commies, a missile, or a terrorist coming across the border to get them. "We have to fight them there so that we don't have to fight them on our own land!"

The public gave Bush a pass w/ 9-11 because Bush was able to convince Americans that if he were president for another four, he would keep Americans safe from all evil.

Katrina has exploded that argument. More Americans will realize that their safety has in fact been jeopardized by Bush, not helped by him, and they are having to fight his evil policies in their own land.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:50 AM
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19. George Will AND Cokie Roberts just said the same thing
on George S, ABC. That this may be *'s Iran-Contra (which struck at the heart of Reagan's strength). That this strikes at the heart of his being seen as decisive.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:12 AM
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22. Do you personaly think Bush's inaction was due to indecisiveness
or vindictiveness? NO didn't vote for Bush.

If vindictiveness, I fear for the San Francisco Bay Area's ability to get Federal help during a similar disaster.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:15 AM
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23. oh hell, personally.............
I see it as criminal negligence. There are so many reasons as to WHY these criminals would do such a thing....but it's all vindictive.

I was simply surprised to see those two say what they said. And, it's true, that the average * supporter likes his cowboy, take-charge crap that he TRIES to convey. Didn't have it this week though.
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pepperlove Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:38 AM
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27. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
but "they" will forgive him now that he has strapped on his cowboy boots and open neced shirt and rolled up sleeves and hugged a few black Americans....all for the cameras....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:43 AM
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30. vindictiveness
it is always about himself. He is a sociopath.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:40 AM
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29. We can only hope
God, I hope you are right with this. It makes complete sense, but up to now, nothing about this moron bush's "success" makes any sense at all.
He's been wrong on virtually every initiative. Yet, the ship sails on.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:41 AM
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32. Mr. "Bring it on" can't "Get it up"
Oh, how BADLY Chimpy wanted people all over the world to view him as a Demi-Gawd, a Hero, A Savior, and most importantly, a Strong Leader Who Must Be Obeyed.

Now the world is either mocking us for allowing such a pathetic slacker to RULE us, or they're shaking their heads in disbelief, realizing almost ANYPLACE IN THE WORLD is better than America.

In the end, the Rovians won't get their Gilded Age; they will be smeared, shunned and abhored for the remainder of time.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:47 AM
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33. It is not the credibility in the US that he needs to worry about, it is
world credibility that will flounder. Like the old USSR, The world is watching the US tumble down the slope from "world superpower" to 3rd worldism. (I wonder in the coming days if Bolton will continue to have the power to "push" around the UN?) We have our own "Afghanistan" in Iraq. We are unable to respond to needs at home. Our infrastructure is old and rotting. We produce little. Dollars are being replaced with Euros. Our universities are not the mecca of the world. The gap between the have-mores and have-nots is widening. We are becoming a radical cleric state. Our social net is being dismantled in favor of tax cuts for the have mores. And now, we cannot take care of our own.

World credibility is more important than national credibility. Those clinging to the Republican Party which preaches that we are the number one country in the world are in for a rude awakening, an awakening that they don't want to face. Gone are the 1940s and 1950s. We are just another of the 118 members of the UN, and not a very responsible one.

If the Republicans through Bolton succeed in pulling us out of the UN, the ones that will be taking it on the chin are the credit card rich. I can't imagine what will happen if we are named a rogue nation.

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