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timber84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:23 PM
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What 's Nagins beef with Blanco?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:34 PM
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1. The scapegoat has to be white.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:35 PM
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2. What a cryptic, inflammatory sentence....
Why explain it?

:eyes:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:36 PM
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3. excuse me?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:39 PM
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6. Geez, where the hell did that come from???
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:48 PM
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17. Could be a disruptor trying to create divisions by posting disinformation
Notice there was no text to the post, no link, no evidence.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:50 PM
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21. Nagin said he told Blanco andDUH-bya to get on the same...
page, and that they "met", then DUH-bya said Blanco wanted 24 hours to "think about it".

DUH-bya lies, but Blanco did refuse to let the feds take complete control of LA. DUH-bya is trying to blame HER for the slow response to the victims.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:43 PM
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10. Otherwise, it's all about race....
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 06:44 PM by madeline_con
I think we saw that once in California where some ex football player decapitated his wife and her friend, right? Then he got off, because, as we all know, it was really about race, not murder.


This is for people who never get sarcasm when they read it:

:sarcasm:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:44 PM
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12. Duh?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:37 PM
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4. Could be a philosophical difference of opinion.
From what I've heard and read, Nagin wanted the Feds in right away -- martial law, etc. but Blano did not want to relinquish her authority as governor (and as such, over the NG).
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:38 PM
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5. Apparently she is a better target than any of the Feds.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:46 PM
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15. They blamed Abu Ghraib on the female in charge ...
why not do it in LA? :shrug:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:41 PM
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7. He believes DUH-bya's bullshit blame game.
She refused to let the feds take over, DUH-bya made like that's why relief was so slow.

The exhaustion has him confused. He'll come around...
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:08 PM
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26. I googled Nagin
and although I'm happy with his strong words about the bush regime, He's a bush supporter all the way. Blanco should not relenquish her authority, the Guard, Fema and everyone else should work with the state.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:42 PM
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8. Didn't Blanco just hire a former FEMA director to help?
I saw him on CNN and he discussed how the Bush administration has gutted FEMA and it needs to be its own agency, not under Homeland Security. He sounded like a dream come true.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:48 PM
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16. Clinton's FEMA director...
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 06:48 PM by madeline_con
from back when they did stuff...
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:43 PM
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9. Pissed off she allowed "Homeland Security" to refuse aid...
Who knows what the Carlyle/Halliburton Administration has on the honourable lady, but the fact that an armed cordon was thrown up around the city, and special ops "contractors" were let loose to stage "snipings" of rescue workers, which allowed the AUTHORITIES to claim it was TOO DANGEROUS to drop citizens food and water...

Christ.

Revolution.

Now.

Before there's no going back.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:46 PM
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14. She did NOT allow Homeland Security to refuse aid
Homeland Security did that all on it's own. To say anything else one actually needs proof and I don't see any.

Geez.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:53 PM
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23. Is this from Prison Planet?
It sounds a bit Orwellian or some other author who write wild stories.

Seriously, I've never heard it put quite that way. BUT, I'll have toi admit, it would certainly explain the long time it took to "plan" the "rescue efforts".

Two suicides in N.O. police? After what they've probably already seen on the job? Something is most definitely f-ed up.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:44 PM
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11. I think this is what Nagin is talking about re Blanco and this "offer"
from bush:

"Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:18 PM
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34. brilliant. Good for her....
i saw that little bit of Nagin's interview and my roommate and i looked at each other and said - good for her - he must have been offering soemthing pretty damn sketchy if she said she needed 24 hours to think about it.

Now i know why. Good for her.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:45 PM
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13. Nagin
has traditionally been a much stronger representative than Blanco, who is often seen as a compromise candidate which was voted on by racist R's since her R opponent was Indian (not native american, but Indian).

Also, relations between Baton Rouge and NOLA are often not very good.

That being said, I heard much the same sentiments from Jefferson, which usually has better relations.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:52 PM
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22. Ah, IIRC
Didn't he also endorse Jindall (now a House representative from La) when he ran for governor?

I might be getting him confused with someone else though.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:16 PM
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27. You're right
New Orleans Mayor Nagin Endorses Jindal

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin today endorsed Bobby Jindal for governor today, stating “Bobby Jindal understands that all of Louisiana benefits from and needs a strong New Orleans. With Bobby Jindal as Governor, New Orleans and the rest of the state will be partners, not adversaries – which is critical because we can only move this state forward together.”

http://www.politicsla.com/press_releases/November/110303_Jindal_nagin.htm

BTW, Jindal was the Republican candidate for governor.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:40 PM
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28. Jeffferson parish President praised Blanco on MTP this morning
said FEMA was at fault.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:48 PM
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18. Not sure, Maybe that Blanco a few days ago was yelling about
looters being punished to the FULLEST extent of the law. Wasn't a pretty sight, or a particularly compassionate moment on her part.

I was pretty turned off by it, and the fact that she didn't even consider that some were stealing to try to sell to get out of town, or stealing to feed themselves and others...

Her outrage seemed a tad misdirected in that moment.

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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:49 PM
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19. Saw an interview with Nagin and he said....
that he met with Bush and Blanco on Air Force One and told them the two of them had to make a decision on what is to be done. Then Bush and Blanco went in a private room and when they came out Blanco said she needed 24 hrs to make a decision on what was going to happen next. Think this was on CNN.
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Tyranny_R_US Donating Member (988 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:50 PM
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20. I'll tell you my beef with her
"I have declared August 31, 2005, a Day of Prayer in the State of Louisiana." - Gov Blanco

We don't pay these people to pray we pay them to act,to think and get their shit together.

"These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will." - Gov Blanco

If it was left up to me Bush would be in jail,the FEMA director would be in jail,Kathleen Blanco would be fired and Mayor Nagin would be taking her place.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:58 PM
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24. Sure, a guy that put in place a plan that let poor people on their own
Read rawstory.

I dont like Blanco, but Nagin is not better. He is the one who stopped the rescue operations to have the NO police fight the looters a few days ago.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:14 PM
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32. I agree. Her tone was one of protecting property before people.
Perhaps she was simply in a state of panic/shock/duress - but she sounded misguided to me.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:59 PM
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25. I didn't get that he had any beef with her except that
she failed to communicate with him.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:50 PM
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29. Wasn't Nagin a Repug businessman before he ran for mayor?
If so, he probably changed only because he could not be elected as a Repug. He may have only changed his shirt, not his heart. His relationship with many of the Repugs may be intact.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:15 PM
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33. That's exactly it
He switched because his fortunes as a Republican in a Democratic city weren't so hot.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:52 PM
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30. It's a tried and true republican ploy
They are tossing the hot potato to "local officials", and since they are both dems, they each will try to keep the blame away from themselves..Blanco & Nagins need to sit down together and make a joint statement supporting each other and toss that potato back where it belongs
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:11 PM
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31. I think Nagins political future is toast, thus I could see him
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 10:11 PM by Skwmom
siding w/Bush if he thinks it will land him a cushy job.
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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:25 PM
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35. What are you talking about?
I've got relatives who live in Jefferson Parish, so I've taken more than a casual interest in this situation. I've been watching the WWL coverage every day for the last five days. Nothing I've seen has shown Nagin doing anything other than what he should be doing.
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