"It looks like there ain't gonna be no Republican Party no more."

[TalkingDog]

Tonight, I went to a pig pickin'/fundraiser/Labor Day Party in a small very red town in the Piedmont area of NC, above Charlotte.

My husband's 3 piece band was the entertainment. Since the proceeds are going to a women's shelter, they play for free (and these are all pretty nice folks anyway, so it was a lot of fun).

I was talking to the wife of one of the other musicians. They are both really liberal and we spend a lot of time commiserating over *. She was telling me about her life-long Republican Mother-in-law (Miss Jo).

She said Miss Jo got back from church today and told her how everybody was really upset over *'s mishandling of this whole mess. People were disgusted and very angry.

Miss Jo said the general consensus is: "It looks like there ain't gonna be no Republican Party no more."

This is a church full of the Reddest of the Red. Kool-Aide drinkers of many years. 2-time * voters. People who get their news from church and Fox TV and the Republican owned small-town paper.

Yes, there are * defenders, but this is not just affecting *. This has been a crippling blow to the whole Republican party and I get the feeling the 'pubs don't understand that yet.

Welcome these people when you find them. I know it's hard to bite your tongue, but your acceptance will show them there is a better way to believe and behave.

[sam sarrha]

1. I really think that Rove can spinn this Sh*t into Gold...he is that good.

the Nitely Media Theater is waiting for one of his golden eggs...

[highplainsdem]

4. I don't think so. Not this time.

Too much honest news coverage already.

[nashville_brook]

13. yep.

[ochazuke]

15. News anchors themselves were there

They experienced it firsthand. I think it may have radicallzed some of them.

Once they get back to New York, they'll have to go on a steady diet of WELCH-ade.

Yeah, I'm talking about Brian Williams.

[tinrobot]

6. Not when the dead are all over the news

You don't see the carnage in Iraq.

We've already seen the carnage of New Orleans. You can't take it back.

[CountAllVotes]

14. nope, can't hide the coffins & the bodies

and all of the evidence of brutality when it is IN YOUR FACE.

:kick:

[Beam Me Up]

7. Rove is slipping. Went to the pro-*war camp at Crawford. Stupid move.

Better yet, it was totally upstaged by Katrina.

He's beginning to get clueless. And when that happens, he'd better watch his back. The dogs he's been lying with are vicious (pun intended).

[walldude]

9. I don't think so... there is too much

video floating around. Too many eyewitness accounts. Too many of the mighty falling prey to their humanity. I mean Shepard Smith? Newt Gingrich? Geraldo? Jack Cafferty? That Broussard video from Meet The Press this morning is enough to get Americans to want heads for this one.

[Miss Chybil]

10. Rove is a used car salesman, not God.

The man behind the curtain is not only visible, he's naked.

[LeftyMom]

26. Can I ask a favor?

Could you promise to never ever ever say "Rove" and "naked" in the same post again? The combination is really gross. :puke: :puke: :puke:

:scared:

[understandinglife]

16. The only spin'in Rove is going to be doing, soon, is with his lawyer ...

... and the judge and jury .... Reflect for a moment on Cooper's description of whom and what he encountered during his visit with the "Plame Grand Jury" - those folk watch TV too -- .... the big hurt is coming to Karl and all his buddies ...


Peace.

[AllieB]

17. This week's footage has been seen by too many folks

and critical opinions have been aired over and over again-for once. I think Bush is in hot water.

[Laurab]

18. I think not, not this time

he's in a bit of trouble himself, and probably far too preoccupied with that. If he was spinning, he would have started when it could be effective. I think it's far too late for ANY spin to be effective here.

[CountAllVotes]

19. no golden eggs left to lay

and what do we have now, nothing but a useless shill. Now the main shill is gone and who will be next. They find themsevles with no more slaves to do their ugly work.

In the meantime, Americans die.

The sooner they go away the better.

I hope to God we aren't all dead by the time this happens.

However, after this, I agree, IT WILL HAPPEN!

[sunnystarr]

39. Spun Shit is ...well ... spun shit ... (nt)

[RagingInMiami]

41. It's not necessarily that he is that good

People are just that stupid

[pepperlove]

52. You are right

unfortunately... the spin has begun... the crooks will shine.

[Spiffarino]

59. No way he can keep it up

It can't work indefinitely...he's going to drop one sooner or later.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

2. Yeah they don't get that 99% of us don't live like they do.

Their classism is right in front of everyone's eyes. That is why the why didn't they evacuate and blame the victim is a big boomerang back to their arrogance.

[nashville_brook]

3. wow, that's just about the only good news i've heard in a week.

seems more like years.

[Glenda]

5. Thanks for the encouraging post!

:hug:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

8. Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead!

Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch.
Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is dead

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6396/dingdong.htm

[BamaBecky]

11. In Alabama, I have not seen the tide turn yet...n/t

[mzmolly]

12. WOAH.

Recommended.

[Disturbed]

21. The Silverspoon Sociopath once said that..

he didn't understand poor folk. I suspect that most upper class RWingers
don't either and hold those beneath them in contempt. Maybe many poor and MC folk understand that. Maybe they will also understand that the RW never has and never will champion the MC, the WP and the Poor. Maybe?

[Pool Hall Ace]

35. Oh, he said that?

If he doesn't understand that "poor folk" like to be rescued when rising flood waters have trapped them on their roofs, that they like access to food, water, and shelter after being exposed to the elements for days, well -- he's waaaay dumber than I ever thought.

[MnFats]

46. he did. i had forgotten about that....we should find the direct quote..

...and source.
...it is appalling, but obvious -- they haven't the foggiest notion of what it is to have no money, or to be working poor....eeking out a living but always a day away from disaster -- such as the present instance. No idea at all.

'don't buy gas if you don't need it.'
hey thanks for the advice, Geo. I was about to go out and buy some gas at $3.29 a gallon that I really don't need, until you advised me not to do so.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

48. "People are poor because they are lazy."

This is a quote from his Harvard Business School professor, Yoshi Tsurumi.

-snip-

At Harvard Business School, thirty years ago, George Bush was a student of mine. I still vividly remember him. In my class, he declared that "people are poor because they are lazy." He was opposed to labor unions, social security, environmental protection, Medicare, and public schools. To him, the antitrust watch dog, the Federal Trade Commission, and the Securities Exchange Commission were unnecessary hindrances to "free market competition." To him, Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal was "socialism." Recently, President Bush's Federal Appeals Court Nominee, California's Supreme Court Justice Janice Brown, repeated the same broadside at her Senate hearing. She knew that her pronouncement would please President Bush and Karl Rove and their Senators. President Bush and his brain, Karl Rove, are leading a radical revolution of destroying all the democratic political, social, judiciary, and economic institutions that both Democrats and moderate Republicans had built together since Roosevelt's New Deal.

- from "President George Bush and the Gilded Age" by Yoshi Tsurumi (Professor of International Business, Baruch College, the City University of New York )

http://www.glocom.org/opinions/essays/20040301_tsurumi_president/

[libhill]

45. Doubt it -

all they care about is Gawd / guns / gays. They're too fucking stupid to realize that the Repukes don't really give a damn if they live or die. As has been demonstrated in the Gulf Coast fiasco.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I agree

Even on this one board I go on for Christian musicians/singers/songwriters there were a few people who were trying to show nothing was Bush's fault but for the most part there were no Bush apologists. We all said he didn't cause the disaster (well duh) but how he took three days to reply and was off playing golf and whatnot and another person mentioned how Bush's raitings were the lowest ever. So I think this is something that may open people's eyes. I wouldn't talk much about politics with people now either. I'd wait till later. They're still opening their eyes. I think the real test though is to see if they will run back to him or not or if they will vote next year and vote democratic.

[notadmblnd]

31. they're in denial

tehy want so badly to believe that their government is not the evil ugly monster we all know it to be.

[ngGale]

22. Just to add to your experience....

I'm in NC too, my neighbor told me ALL about church today. The Repugs are losing their base. People just found out, including the preacher's - * will let the south and their neighbors die. Don't think Rove can fix this one, at all.

[Skip Intro]

23. I've seen many a bush is/repukes are toast thread since 2002

and I've agreed so many times

what is public opinion to bushco?

what do they care what we, the people, think at this point?

what, short of an outright revolt, would really threaten the brutal thugs currently occupying (seized) power in the US?

[Zodiak]

54. Sadly

I think you are right. However, this hypothesis has not been tested yet. We shall see his numbers drop to near-nothingness over the next six months and the anger level rise even higher (because Bush CAN'T fix anything ailing the U.S.). At that point, either the Congress will act to save their own butts under a tide of public outrage, or yeah, we will have to have an unarmed revolution (everyone go to D.C., camp out, demand he resign, and NEVER leave until he does, ala Georgia/Ukraine).

He will either have to put down such a protest through violent means or step down. If he chooses violent means, then general strikes will be used (and the corporations lose their power). Failing that, there is only armed resistance (probably our angered, overstretched military against Bush's CACI and Halliburton mercenaries, imho).

The vote sure is a lot prettier way of removing this government...let's just hope that Congress gets the hint that this guy and all like him have to go....NOW!!!

There is a lot of anger in the air....those in power can smell it and are doing everything they can (both sides of the aisle) to resore the perception confidence in government. We are getting dangerously close to a tipping point, and it scares the shit out fo me.

[DanCa]

24. Racism is very strong just wait

they played the gay card in 2004 what's next? I bet as soon as the shrub wants to build the first church with federal money all hell is going to work. That's how there going to spin this. Plus the new tv season comes on and the average attention span is fleeting.

[CountAllVotes]

28. yeah and the gay card was a weak one

and now they have THE BLACKS. HOLY SHIT!

:kick:

[Dan]

42. Yep...

you're right. By 2006 or 2008, they will have blamed the poor dead Blacks and other poor people of New Orleans for polluting the Gulf.

[DanCa]

44. Nah they'll blame Katrina on us liberals for snorting coke of the bible

or other such bullshit.

[DanCa]

25. Racism is very strong just wait

they played the gay card in 2004 what's next? I bet as soon as the shrub wants to build the first church with federal money all hell is going to work. That's how there going to spin this. Plus the new tv season comes on and the average attention span is fleeting.

[struggle4progress]

27. Well *sigh* we always have been the big tent party. But honestly ..

.. I'm really gonna have trouble with Rush and his ilk spewing their vile crap under some "New Democrats" banner ...

[Xenotime]

29. The repug party doesn't need to exist...

There's no place for them in America. They just get in the way.

[jsamuel]

30. Bush has forsaken the South... not a good idea

[hvn_nbr_2]

38. That's exactly what I've been thinking. Real dumb. n/t

[timber84]

32. Where was it talkingdog from Charlotte myself?

[TalkingDog]

34. The church is in Mocksville.

The party in Statesville.

[ms liberty]

37. Wow, I'm in Hiddenite, about 20 miles from Statesville...

and Mocksville is not much farther. I have cousins who live there, and around there, most of my mom's family lives in that area generally. I missed church this morning myself, we overslept, bad. But If the people around here are turning on him, it is getting bad.

[Autonomy]

33. I dunno. I saw an ABC poll on TV tonight. 45% approval for *'s

handling of the fiasco. That's better than his overall approval rating BEFORE Katrina. I don't understand how that's possible. Was I hallucinating that poll? Please help. :crazy:

[Mich Otter]

36. Don't be kidding ourselves.

Those wealthy and bigoted Republican snakes are not going to quit being what they are. There will be some who desert the ship-of-shit, but the guts of the party will be just as determined as ever and working to continue America on the slide to the right.
Accept the fact we are going to have a long tough fight to start moving America to the left. That fight is going to last all of our lifetimes and for generations to come.
Now is the time to make everyone aware of why it is important to pay the taxes that support efforts like; good mass transportation, health care, public infrastructure like levees and roads, and public defenders like the police and National Guard. Gutting the infrastructure of our country to provide tax windfalls for the wealthy is a poor choice. The Republicans are committed to doing all they can to strangle our government by denying the money needed to provide for the public. What money goes to the government, the Republicans want to divert to making their friends richer.
Americans need a public policy that defends the people who need help.

[burrowowl]

40. Let's just hope

that the DLC won't step in to replace it!

Miss Jo said the general consensus is: "It looks like there ain't gonna be no Republican Party no more."

[O.M.B.inOhio]

43. Pray they lost the South too bad even for election fraud to flip in '06

[Porcupine]

47. White rural LA and MS haven't checked in yet....

and they got jack shit for help or services. If you're off the main roads you are relying on yourself and your neighbors. I will tell you now they are going to be pissed.

[bliss_eternal]

49. Right--weren't some of these folks shrub supporters?

They can't be too happy at the idea of the dude that said he would keep them safe, didn't.

:(

[Zodiak]

55. Which is why....

class has a lot more to do with this disaster than race. If we only push the race issue, we ignore thousands of poor whites that got just as screwed.

This IS about class. Race is an underlying issue of class, sure, but we have a real chance of showing Joe Sixpack that he and the black guy across town are really seen as the same type person by this administration. They are seen as dogs to be abandoned in a crisis.

[MadeinOhio]

50. They can't spin away shit. There's your "I'm safer here, national defense"

Their image is going down.

[Patiod]

51. They have their damned Faux mouthpiece spinning overtime!

Everything is great! Boy, look at how great the federal response it! Can't ask for anything more! Chertoff? A hero, I tell you!

It's all the fault of the mayor and governor - stupid asses didn't ask for aid until too late! Stupid asses didn't bother to evacuate! They should have made it mandatory! It's all the local (Democrat) officials fault!

The feds, however, have been masterly! Masterly!

And Geraldo has saved people personally!!

[rhino47]

53. I`ve actually heard reporters use phrase"hold their feet to the fire"

*gasp* the shock!
Reporters actually asking real questions.
Even potato head russert seemed shocked and angry yesterday.
That or the smell of fresh blood turned him on.

[Renew Deal]

56. We should be winning rural states and communities.

Because the pukes have nothing to offer besides fear and bigotry.

[slor]

57. My inner child asks:

"Will the bad, ugly people really be gone Mommy?"

[Dunvegan]

58. One of the things that finally ended Vietnam...

...was the endless footage of the carnage.

Something that has so far been successfully hidden in Iraq II.

Too much TV trouble in River City this time.

Oh...and I'm writing everyone in g'ment I can get an email or fax or snail mail address for, so they don't forget.