Kerry's people called me tonight wanting money...here is what I told them

[greenbriar]

I said

"is he running in 08"

they said...he hasn't come out with anything, right now we are working on Kids first and fire Rove

I said

those are noble, but how is kerry going to ask about the katrina rescue fuckup and the photo op ?

they stuttered and stammered.

I said when is he going to grow a backbone and demand a decent supreme court nomination.

they said, well there will be a new chance because did you know a justice died?


I said "did you know that since the chief justice renquist died, bush wants to appoint roberts as Chief Justice??

They said..well...no I hadn't heard that yet.


I said well Kerry (and I love him) and the rest of the dems had better grow some balls and start demanding answers to REAL questions or the world is going to be shit and I don't have any money to donate until this happens


they said

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[mhr]

1. The Democratic Party Is Dead - We All Know It But Refuse

To admit it.

[FloridaPat]

17. Prolem is, what do we do now? If we start a thrid party, we split the

Democratic party and pretty much leave the US to the repubs. There are people brainwashed into only voting for one of the two parties.

The trick would be to bring the party back from the dead by running a lot of people that really care about the country, not the corporations.

[mhr]

26. Your Idea Is A Noble One - Where Will the Money Come From

Our pockets are not as deep as the corporations.

[Deja Q]

36. six of one, half-dozen for the other.

You still end up with twelve mistakes.

[katinmn]

60. Perhaps we should pretend its 2000 and put the rightful

president in the White House tomorrow.

[madokie]

31. I hope what you say is not true

I think we have a lot of imposters

[mhr]

33. A Party Ruled By Impostors Is A Dead Party

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[mhr]

38. It Would Not Be Me - I Have A Sensitive Job That Requires

Some anonymity.

I volunteered over 1,000 hours of my time last election for a democratic representative and watched the Democrats fail themselves by not challenging the election.

How many more failures does it take to convince one and all that the party is dead.

[ClassWarrior]

41. Yeah.

NGU.

[anitar1]

73. I have kown it for some time. Not sure how we will

reorganize but I am looking for a new way. The old ways have died--we need to have a memorial service and then go forward.n It is DEAD.

[tuvor]

2. Thanks for doing that.

They need to hear that.

[greenbriar]

4. he was just a kid, probably

didn't "listen"


but I felt better

[Joebert]

3. The only Democrat I've ever given to is Dean.

If they called me, the call would have been the same.

Until I see you on the news, throwing a shoe at somebody about all of this, you get nothing.

I mean Kanye West can make one remark that gets replayed for days. Get that kind of press.

I want answers, with Democratic leadership asking the questions:

Why wasn't a mass mobilization going the night the hurricane hit MIAMI?

Why weren't our leadership on TV begging for Red Cross funds that night?

Why is NOLA locked down to the Red Cross, why are caravans of aid turned away, why are foreign offers unreplied, or unaccepted?

Get on TV, answer those questions, and do it now, or not a dollar, ever again.

[garybeck]

5. WHENEVER THEY CALL, tell them:

it doesn't matter who it is, the DNC, or Kerry, or Clinton... tell them YOU'RE NOT GIVING THEM ANOTHER DIME UNTIL THEY FIX THE PROBLEM WITH ELECTRONIC VOTING. WE CAN'T HAVE PRIVATE COMPANIES COUNTING OUR VOTES IN SECRET. Until this is corrected, giving money to a party or candidate is a complete waste. Kerry capitulated and ignored HUGE problems in OHIO and other states and didn't give a crap that the election was stolen. Why should we give them money or support them in any way when it will just be stolen again?

this is the only way to get their attention.

[SuniSurf]

6. Greenbriar

Bravo!!!!! Bravo!!!!

Give them ALL some food for thought. AND a stern warning to get off the fence and make them answer our questions!!!!

[LoZoccolo]

7. And that is why the Democratic Party takes donations from corporations.

Because it's hard to get everyone satisfied enough at once.

[greenbriar]

9. at this point, I don't really care . They need UNITY and a backbone

or some steel balls like the NO mayer!!!

[never_get_over_it]

27. This goes SO FAR past getting everyone satisfied at once

I belive this all started with the vote for the Iraq War Resolution - look at Kerry's record before that - for God's Sake he was one of the leader of Viet Nam Vetrans against that war. THERE IS NO WAY he should have voted YES on that resolution or so many of the other DLCers - but he did because of instead of having a backbone he voted YES because he was running for President And I don't want to hear any shit that he was lied to - we were smart enough to know it was a lie - there were 23 other Senators who were smart enough to know it was a lie and Kerry and ALL the other Dems who voted yes should have known too.

Then Kerry collects 10 or 20 million to fight any election fraud problems and what the FUCK does he do - NOTHING - why - because he wants to run in 08. I called Kerry's office the day after the election and actually talked to his chief of staff and told him I'm in FL and things were fucked up here and in OH and I was crying and BEGGING them to fight this....but NO THEY DIDN'T Maybe they should send that money they collected to fight the election to the Katrina victims - or maybe to organizations who are trying to get this election shit fixed.

This is NOT about satisfying all of us on every issue - this is fundamental - this is about not being an OPPOSITION party when we desparately need one.

We all need to contact everyone of these Democrats and tell them to get a fucking clue before we're all dead - they have enabled this fucking little freak in the WH to DESTROY THIS COUNTRY and kill tens of thousands in LA and MS - 100,000 plus innocent Iraqis and God knows how many military in Iraq. How many more have to die before SOMEONE WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THESE MAD MEN.

[fujiyama]

42. That's the problem though

I understand why many Dems take these corporate donations, but it ends up being a bitter never ending cycle which is very difficult to break off (often because the money is pretty damn good and keeps a pol in office).

As long as politicians takes money from anyone, whether it be a corporation, labor union, or other interest group, that politician will feel obligated to vote for their legislation. Though I would say that donations from liberal interest groups and labor unions aren't harming the nation in the same way, and don't have nearly the same amount of power.

And also by taking those corporate donations it makes it more difficult to remain a true opposition party in support of working men and women. It's worth asking, is the only purpose for the Dem party to oppose the religious right and unjust wars? A clear and fair economic agenda is impossible to construct if the party continues taking donations from major corporations.

[Marr]

55. Bullshit.

They take money from corporations because it's easier. It's alot easier- and profitable- to service Exxon Mobile and Citibank than Joe Sixpack.

You can't please both at the same time.

The Democratic Party plays the same game with poor and middle class people that the Republicans play with fundies. Give 'em the occasional symbolic scrap- usually a little populist rhetoric, because it's free- and cash in with corporate America every time it actually matters.

I want this party to get it's act together, but guys like Kerry will NOT be the ones to do it.

[Zhade]

66. That's bullshit, and you know better.

They take money from corporations because it's really easy to do - what's stopping them, campaign finance reform? :rofl:

They take corporate cash because corporations are flush with money thanks to the pro-corporate policies like NAFTA many Dems back, which enriches them at the expense of anyone not of the investor class. Us peons just can't compete donation-wise when corporations get richer while we get poorer.

Come on, you can't be as simplistic as your comment implies. I know you're smarter than that!

[LoZoccolo]

78. You quasi-Marxist interpretation does not account for history.

The DLC was formed, and started doing these things, years before NAFTA was passed. I find that trying to cram this phenomenon into the Marxist conspiracy theory is simplistic.

[Zhade]

79. Marxist?

:rofl:

[LittleClarkie]

80. So when those peons take telemarketer jobs, do remember to be kind

and not vent your political frustrations all over them.

This has been a public service announcement from... Little Clarkie.

[Zhade]

81. What an odd comment.

I honestly am puzzled by your post - what do telemarketing jobs taken by those being made increasingly more economically desperate have to do with politicians who take hefty political donations from heartless corporations like Enron in return for political favors?

Seriously, I must be missing something? I can't recall taking anything out on any peons, telemarketers or not.

A little help with your comment?

[Is It Fascism Yet]

8. They called me too. I told them when I wanted to donate to somebody

who was going to lay down and play dead in the 7th round, I'd let them know. And then I asked them what the hell they did with all the money I donated for a previously anticipated post election recount legal fund? They actually solicited funds for the post election legal fund, and then, Kerry didn't even wait for the mail votes to be counted before conceeding. Yes, the Democratic Party has had it. They all answer to the same fascist masters. Howard Dean is a really sincere man, and in order to shut him up, they made him head of the Democratic Party. We haven't heard him rail against Bushco since. Oh, how I miss his Dean scream! Where'd it go? Silenced by the ball-less party.

[woldnewton]

10. Re: Dean and "We haven't heard him rail against Bushco since."

I guess you missed the part where he called the Republicans a white Christian party. I think, considering Katrina, and which group was evacuated, and which was left behind to die, it might be a good time for him to say it again...

And perhaps you'll be ready to defend him when the next time the media tries to excoriate him, not just the DLC type Democratic Beltway establishment.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

65. I always defended Howard Dean, he had my primary vote, despite

the way the media tried to trash him. (for nothing)

[theHandpuppet]

30. You nailed it

I can't wait for the party to call our house asking for money and support.

[Der Blaue Engel]

11. Gosh, I was wondering how long it would take for DU to get back to

eating our own. Thank heavens everything's back to normal.

:eyes:

[greenbriar]

12. we are not eating our own

we are demanding our leaders act like we elected them to act


not to pander to their base!

[nookiemonster]

16. Really, The accusation of "eating our own" stuff gets really fucking old.

Are we not the same as the Republicans? Tolerating abyssmal leadership and never holding anyone accountable.

The Dems need to save this country, NOW!!!!!!!

[Individualist]

21. You made a good point

Blind loyalty and lockstep mentality are repug traits. Dems question our leaders when their actions are questionable.

[DS1]

37. Fucking Right!

Kerry's lost his fight, it's time more people accepted that.

[Der Blaue Engel]

75. Threads about how everything is Kerry's fault and responsibility

under Bush's presidency get really fucking old to me, too.

[ClassWarrior]

45. You're right. You're not eating your own. You're trying to incite US...

...to eat OUR own.

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

77. Actually, we're really quite tasty with butter and garlic salt

Mmm, sauted Democrat. Them's good eating.

...Maybe I need to stop watching the Food Network.

[DefenseLawyer]

63. "We" elected?

You aren't even a Democrat. I get that you wish the Democratic Party would become the Greens, but we aren't the Greens. We are a major political party that actually wins elections and has a legitimate chance to win many more, because we appeal to a broad range of citizens. I have no beef with the Green Party and, like you, I think the Green Party platform has better positions than my party. I understand your dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party and you are free to express them. But at least be honest and say that you are not a Democrat and your true agenda is to replace our party with yours.

[TankLV]

68. And you don't think it's JUSTIFIED?

It's entirely DESERVED & the EARNED every fucking comment!

[Der Blaue Engel]

74. No, I don't. I don't see the point in railing on Kerry all the fucking

time. I really, really DON'T.

But you know who I DO feel we should be foaming at the mouth about?
GEORGE W. BUSH. Weird, I know. I should be spitting and whining about Dems, but I just can't muster it what with all the fucking murder going on at the Bush cabals hands.

Pardon me for not fucking agreeing with every fucking comment.

[Booster]

13. You know, I voted for Kerry, but I find this post plain disgusting.

Doesn't Kerry know that most Americans will be donating to charities that can help in the Gulf region? I'd like to know what the Hell he is doing (like Al Gore) to help? Has he donated? This just confirms my thinking that most of the people in Wash DC are just plain leaches and frankly I am pissed at most of them. The true heroes in Wash DC are our black reps who are at least speaking up. On this post alson, I am just through with Kerry.

[goclark]

14. I worked like hell for Kerry

and I want Bush OUT of the WH.

That said, Kerry needs to show me more backbone and I will show him more support.

[MellowOne]

28. I worked really hard for Kerry as well

I'm totally disappointed, he let us down.

[goclark]

64. Remember "I've got your back."

Well, my back still belongs to me, I'm just not seeing how he has "got it" yet.

What is he waiting for....time is marching on.

[ClassWarrior]

29. Look at the OP... Fundraising calls on the Sunday before Labor Day?

Yeah, right.

"On this post alone" you're through with Kerry?? Well, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...

:rofl:

Next time please think before you post.

NGU.

[greenbriar]

47. what ever you want to think do it.

I have no reason to lie

and it is not on this post alone,

it is the total response of all the shit going on in the world.

you want to lay blame do it at bush's feet not mine!

and NEVER question my intentions!

[Zenlitened]

50. .

(posted in rong spot)

[mntleo2]

15. This is Sad

I am sad about all this. Kerry did not even wait to concede, he supports things that are harmful to most of us and he seems not to get that we need someone with some kahunas. I just don't get it.

I saw Edwards recently ~ got my pic taken with him, and when I told him how proud I was of his WIFE that she wrote in support of Cindy Sheehan, he said, not only was she (his wife) his best friend, she was a friend to many. I agree but....why did his WiFE have to say what needs to be said? I am so tired of this crap. STAND UP PEOPLE!!!!!

Cat In Seattle

[ultraist]

18. Kerry is asking for money for himself right now?

And not asking people to donate to Hurricane Katrina victims? :wow:

[Cocoa]

19. they called you the Sunday before Labor Day?

that's the odd part of this story.

[Name removed]

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[greenbriar]

49. well, yes they did because I had promised them money in July

and they wanted to know where it was


I am not being dishonest, I am not a troll, mole or anything else.

just posting my experience

[DefenseLawyer]

20. I just love it when you green party types

have your little "Democrats suck" threads and you all dance and sing on the party's grave. Wow, you made some college kid stammer! Where exactly is the "greenpartyunderground"? Cause I need to check that out.

[nookiemonster]

32. Walking in lockstep, and being non-critical

about a party is something we should all be aware of.

REPUBLICANS

I will not submit to your philosophy, or your short-sighted way of seeing things. I'm a Dem, and there are many others, that take great offense to what you just said.

[ClassWarrior]

43. When did the poster EVER say not to be critical??

What's so shortsighted about calling someone out for posting a dishonest thread?? The phonebank supervisor would have to be an IDIOT to make fundraising calls on the Sunday of a holiday weekend.

You're being yanked around by a dishonest OP.

NGU.

[nookiemonster]

44. Granted.

My response wasn't really taking the OP into account. I was just defending some snarky comments that we're made by someone else that was sending this in a different direction.

That's all.

[Tinoire]

72. Let me guess, you're Kerry's Defense lawyer

What else attracted you to this place with your ridiculous talk of "greenpartyunderground"?

[leftofthedial]

22. last time I gave him money (and LOTS of time)

he quit early to help his buddy George.

Fool me once . . . (you know the rest) won't be fooled again!

[IndyOp]

23. I got a call from Kerry camp Saturday asking for funds for

child-health care bill. I was sorry to say no - but I did because I needed to use the call to make a point: I will support *nothing* that any Dem does until they stand up for the lives of the people of NOLA (and MISS and ALA). I told them I haven't seen any Senate Dem stand up on this - Kucinich and members of the CBC in the house have, but no Senators. I told him that when I see Kerry screaming at the top of his lungs on the floor of the Senate to save the people of NOLA then and only then will I consider supporting him again.

The man on the phone told me once at the top of the call that it 'may be recorded for quality assurance' -- and when I started ranting about the stolen election of 2004 and the devastation of NOLA he repeated again that the call may be recorded and then I could hear my voice echoing as he recorded me. My final sentence was that if we can't manage to save the people of NOLA then we should all be damned to hell. At that point I was crying and hung up.

I pray that my voice - and those of other Americans who are stunned and shocked and enraged - will be heard.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Nice job ripping a volunteer a new asshole. So what are you going to do...

...to HELP?

NGU.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

39. How does it help to support "wet blanket" dems? Please explain.

How does throwing money at worthless dem politicians exactly helping things?? Wouldn't he just be perpetuating the problem?????

JB

[ClassWarrior]

40. Explain? Okay, let me take this slowww... I asked a question.

You can tell because it has one of those squiggly little things behind it called a "question mark." The question I asked the OP was, "So what are you doing to HELP?" Now it's the OP's turn to answer. See how that works?

By the way, do you REALLY buy the assertion that the OP got a fundraising call on the Sunday before Labor Day? Gimme a break.

NGU.

[nookiemonster]

46. Regardless of what the OP has said,

it has sparked a debate.

It seems like you want to squelch dissent and proceed with the status quo. There's other parties that admire that trait. Need a hint?

[ClassWarrior]

48. No, I want to squelch trolls and listen to them squish between my toes.

Squelch dissent?? :rofl:

NGU.

[nookiemonster]

51. Got it.

Criticism = troll.

Loud and clear.

:)

[ClassWarrior]

52. Yeah, keep blurring the subject.

NGU.

[nookiemonster]

58. My friend, there's no blur.

It's crystal clear. Let me explain.

I also helped on the campaign for Kerry. I canvassed and I donated. I put money into the DNC coffers. I didn't sit back on the sidelines.

Knowing that, I have seen my Democratic senators and house members betray us on more than one occasion. Kerry conceding early, Biden continues to be a hawk and supports this administration efforts, Dick Durbin apologizing for shit that he didn't have to, etc. etc.

Do you have any idea what would happen if a Dem had been in office during this disaster?? Any fucking clue?

If we can't make them stand up for us now, what more will it take?

I love this party, regardless of what others say.

[TankLV]

69. Yes I do - more than any of your claims.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

35. GOOD FOR YOU! Kudos. NO MORE MONEY FOR DINOS.

It's time for us to take our party back and DROP ALL SUPPORT for DINOs and the closet Bush ass-lickers.

JB

[still_one]

53. I have to believe they are getting that message

I told the DNC something very similar

[RevCheesehead]

54. They called me last Tuesday asking for $ for "no child left behind."

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
I told them right now, all my $ is going for hurricane relief.
They gave me some BS about how crucial it is that we do something about getting the word out to people, etc...

Finally I told them, Look, I think helping the immediate needs of sick and dying people is FAR MORE IMPORTANT right now... I support what you're doing, but this is NOT the right time to be asking for donations.

I am VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED in these people right now.

[Zhade]

67. I would have been stunned.

The first words out of my mouth would have been along the lines of, "What the FUCK is wrong with you people? Thousands are dying on the Gulf Coast, and you want money for a BULLSHIT POLICY WE SHOULDN'T EVEN SUPPORT?"

And it DOES make me wonder - what the FUCK is wrong with these people?

It's bewildering!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. Kerry, as usual, is taking care of his own sorry ass.

Seeing as how he, like most of the Dem politicians, doesn't have a backbone to attach it to.

[Zenlitened]

57. Uh, yeah. This is plausible.

Puke.

[greenbriar]

61. believe what you want,

I have no reason to lie

infact,

I am sitting in my don't blame me I voted Kerry t-shirt in a house full of repugs!


I don't embelish, lie or otherwise troll, I am just an outspoken female mad as HELL at the state of our union and its goddamn time we started to take it back!

[Dr Fate]

84. I've said similar things to Kerry & DNC people.

n/t

[B Calm]

59. Sounds like my conversation with Sen. Clinton's people!

[Q]

62. We need to pick up where Dean left off...

..using a VAST grassroots organization to raise cash for candidates that agree to run progressive campaigns and govern as PROGRESSIVES.

Dean would have to quit the DNC in order to appeal to the grassroots again. Better yet...we should find someone else...since Dean is now muzzled and part of the establishment that takes rank and file Dems for granted.

[politicasista]

70. Another Kerry thread turning into a flamewar

With all that's happened the last week. Go Figure.

[bliss_eternal]

71. I appreciate what you told them...

you told them the truth--what so many others have said since the election. Good for you, greenbriar. Thank you!

[LittleClarkie]

76. Like I said in the other thread

You have a problem with Kerry, how about calling his office.

You just reamed out a peon.

Maybe you could try the more direct approach next time.

Cut the telemarketers some slack. It's a suck job.

[ClusterFreak]

82. You rock greenbriar!!

:headbang:

[Dr Fate]

83. "When Kerry can go on TV and call Bush a 'liar'- and use that word..."

"...then I'll give you my whole damn paycheck."

And that is what I tell the DNC concerning Dean too.