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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:38 PM
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a visit to a FEMA camp
Fascinating and troubling lengthy account from Oklahoma here, with many pictures, of an attempt to deliver goods to a FEMA camp deep in the woods.

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

A dorm room:


"Talk about a surreal moment...troops (unknown if Regular or National Guard) have taken up residency in the Durant First Baptist Church cabin very near the main gate of the camp:"


...

The poster asks:

Do you think I'm over-reacting to the idea of being bussed hundreds of miles from what I am familiar with to a place miles from civilization and from which I cannot leave?

or

do you think I'm over-reacting to the fact that federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:39 PM
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1. Why are we recreating Gitmo all over the USA?
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freemen2005 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:18 PM
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64. A sign of things to come across all of America perhaps? and soon.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:47 PM
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2. This account
needs to be vetted and picked up by the MSM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:48 PM
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3. are they tattooing numbers on arms yet?
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:40 AM
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38. I think different colored arm bands are already being used.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:49 PM
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4. Paying the Price for Katrina and America’s Shadow Government (REX 84)
Paying the Price for Katrina and America’s Shadow Government
by John W. Whitehead
9/1/2005


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During this time, Reagan also appointed Louis O. Giuffrida, a former national guard general, to head up FEMA. During Giuffrida’s time as head of FEMA, he focused most of his attention on preventing domestic civil unrest and put concern for natural disaster and nuclear war relief to the side. By 1982, this emphasis on civil unrest had led to the creation of a joint FEMA-Pentagon paper known as “The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management,” which ignored portions of the Posse Comitatus Act in advocating for the use of the military in civil law enforcement. This new civil alliance gave the military and FEMA more emergency powers to acquire resources in an attempt to prevent domestic civil disturbances.

All this buildup led to the Rex-84 exercise, which was conducted in the spring of 1984. Rex-84 was essentially a secret training operation jointly run by FEMA and the Department of Defense to train 34 federal agencies on how to deal with domestic civil unrest. Some of the more notable agencies that were a part of Rex-84 included the CIA and the Secret Service. The training program anticipated civil disturbances, demonstrations and strikes that would hinder continuity of the government. To counter these disturbances, the military would be authorized to move groups of people, arrest segments of the population and impose martial law to regain continuity of government. The exercise envisioned at least 100,000 U.S. citizens, identified as national security threats, being rounded up and thrown into “containment” (or concentration) camps for unspecified periods. After the exercise was completed, then-U.S. Attorney General William Smith raised serious concerns about its legality.

The current Bush administration has ties with personnel from FEMA and Rex-84 during the Reagan administration. John Brinkerhoff, who played a major role in the martial law planning during Giuffrida’s time as head of FEMA, is now with the influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. He has recently published a paper arguing for the legality of using military personnel on American streets. And the recent admission by the Bush administration about the existence of containment camps in the U.S. also raises concerns because these same training camps were part of the Rex-84 training.

Another aspect of FEMA is Mount Weather near Bluemont, Va., an underground bunker the size of a small city. This facility is one of a number sprinkled around the country which would allegedly be used in the case of a national emergency as a protective facility for high level government officials.


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http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=357
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:53 PM
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6. John Whitehead is a right wing
anti-abortionist who manipulates the public with his supposed first ammendment-defending organization. Beware. Google him or the Rutherford Institute
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:01 PM
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9. I know he's a right wing nut, however Rex 84 is real.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:20 AM
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29. I just spent 15 min. looking for e-mail info for an approp. ACLU office--
w/o success. It's probably there somewhere. (Problem with great orgs. like the ACLU is they don't have a lot of staff standing around at all hours to deal with inquiries from folks like me.)

We need some lawyers on this.

I do not understand under what legal authority these innocents can be detained or even isolated. They and we have Constitutional rights of free association, travel, etc.

If it's not legal authority, if it's just a matter of policy of this admin. to deprive victims of their rights as a condition to assistance, well, we need at least to have a thorough discussion about that.

Media attn would also be helpful. Where are they, at this point? (I get all my news here.)
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 04:58 AM
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41. How would they get out without money?
I'll bet these people have very little money in their pockets. If the government said they were allowed to leave the camp, how would they leave? They are not usually located within walking distance of anywhere.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:25 AM
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32. I just did a post about this here; pls kick it if you think helpful
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 12:25 AM by snot
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:52 PM
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5. In the interests of "national security" no one will be allowed to...
I think TPTB are spreading survivors around the country to prevent any chance of mass rioting, or heaven forbid, organizing to hold TPTB accountable.

What are they supposed to do with the money???? if they are isolated in the backwoods???

These camps are sounding more and more like concentration camps...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:54 PM
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7. "You don't understand the type of people that are about to come here...."

No, I don't understand the type of brownshirts who have hijacked my country's government.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:09 PM
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20. Me either
What's scary is how quickly the media went with the whole looter ordeal. When a white person got something it was called "Finding" and when a black person did so it was called "looting". :\ What's with this? Something is wrong and going on. :\
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:57 PM
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8. Believe it or not
the black helicopter crowd from the right were VERY concerned about FEMA and its potential to be used for tyranical purposes.

The irony? They were afraid it would be someone like Clinton who used it this way--not one of their own.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:07 PM
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19. But the Reaganites designed it!
I'm sure he meant well with it? :shrug:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:13 PM
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21. You expect consistency from these people? n/t
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:34 PM
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26. Noooooow I remember why I...
...bought a gun right after BUSHitler stole orafice. Chirst, I knew it was going to be BAD with this piece of CRAP and his gang of THUGS, but THIS IS LIKE NAZI GERMANY REDUX TO SAY THE LEAST!!!!!!!!

Lu Cifer, I hope y'all are ready for Civil War 2005: The Have Vs. The Have Nots...I KNOW I DAMN SURE AM!
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:01 PM
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10. If this is true
then the local churches need to be outside with bullhorns asking people if they would like to leave. If they are "free" to leave after all.

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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:19 PM
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11. kixk
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:23 PM
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12. women and children to the right...
men to the left


elderly down the stairs to take a shower.

I can't believe we are all sitting around watching FEMA do this.

It's the same as sitting around not stopping the genocide in Darfur, but maybe worse.
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:43 PM
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13. very important this.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:46 PM
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14. Why aren't we beating these people when they pull this shit?
Seriously. Why are we not just socking them as hard as we can in the face? Why are we not putting them under citizens' arrest? Why are we not tying them up and taking them out of the picture?

Because it's illegal?

And leaving people to starve and die of thirst is NOT illegal?

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:48 PM
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15. This is some scary scary shit.Kick. n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:03 PM
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16. .
kick
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:04 PM
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17. It's good to have soft cells and holding chambers-Nominated
Reports from people in Ceiba, PUerto Rico, indicate that at least 1,000 survivors of Katrina are being brought to the (supposedly closed but still run and restricted by) Roosevelt Roads Navy Base. This has precedence, when Haitian survivors of a hurricane ended up in Ft. Allen, Puerto Rico. The people are kept from the press, and from the civilians outside. And if the survivors don't speak Spanish they will have a hard time communicating even if they can get out.


I've been through that area. What in the fuck are the dispossessed going to do there other than languish? Oh wait, that's a given.


"Many Days Pass And People Die Very Much"- Trail of Tears
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:06 PM
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18. Any local info? I can call news, go myself w/friend if necessary.
I'm in the Norman/OKC/Moore area.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:20 PM
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22. kick
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:28 PM
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23. What did the mayor of Tulsa say?
Their convention center will not be used so the economy won't be hurt? Not to worry about any of "those people" coming in? Something like that?

And what's with rich church cabins and poor church cabins? Why not a pooling of money so ALL Baptists can enjoy a comfortable retreat once a year? That's the way most churches do it.

This sounds like some rules that might have gotten put into place in order to be able to lease this camp. Or maybe this is the reason those folks won't take up the offer to go on those cruise ships. Either way, sure shows the sickness in our "Christian" society when our first reaction is that because people are poor and black, they're dangerous.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:28 PM
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24. Didn't someone at your blog recently post about brainwashing?
I know I read a summary of the brainwashing process recently -- it emphasized making people dependent on you for food and using that influence to "reeducate" them in whatever manner you chose.

Enforced isolation, helplessness, and dependence are not merely offensive to human dignity -- they also form part of a cult-like process of mind control.

This is starting to look nastier and nastier
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:02 AM
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28. that's a very important point, starroute
I don't remember that particular post, but this is looking like an exercise in social engineering.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:04 AM
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34. A concentration camp for sure. There are a lot of questions
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 02:05 AM by neweurope
to be asked and somebody - I mean somebody important, like maybe a leading Democrat if there are still any around - should ask them.

Why 5 months? Why is nobody allowed to leave the camp?
Why is nobody allowed in anymore, not even pastors for mass, for Chrissake??!
Why are buses arriving constantly but no "inmates" are seen?
What is happening at those meetings the prison guards have?
What reason is given to rob these poor people of contacts to the outside world?
And and and...

Indeed a brain weashing experiment on a large scale seems to be possible here.
I'm German so maybe I shouldn't be calling this "incredible". But if it looks like a concentration camp, acts like a concentration camp - it just may be a concentration camp. Oh damn, I wish the UN could look into this. You should raise a hell of a stink. The attention of the world needs to be focused there.

----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 05:03 AM
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42. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
That could explain the 5 months incarceration.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:44 AM
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49. There's also "Pulsed Microwave Technology" and "Synthetic Telepathy"
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:28 PM
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25. Note to self: If natural disaster or BUSHco manufactured disaster/attack
comes to my town or a town near me, GET THE FUCK OUT ASAP! I'm not going into one of these Club Gitmos!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:34 PM
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27. Kick!
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:23 AM
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30. yikes
:scared:
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:24 AM
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31. They are treating them as incompetents. As children. Have
we flashed back 50, 100 years? I'm sick of this stuff. I'm absolutely SICK.
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:07 AM
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33. Look to see if all the kitchen and eating knives are missing
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:13 AM
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35. We must make very, very sure that every citizen displaced
by the hurricane has a place in a private home. If they leave they cannot return - they must leave ASAP and not ever return.

:scared: :scared: :scared:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:27 AM
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36. Jesus CHRIST!
This gets scarier and scarier...
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:28 AM
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37. Article about FEMA and camps - can someone
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Lilyhoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:58 AM
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39. There are 76,800 hits on google for
fema american concentration camps.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 04:53 AM
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40. kick - get Michael Moore on this or any other investigative
journalist you can find, all the politicians you can think of ... this sounds very, very bad, and it must be nipped in the bud!

-------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:41 AM
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43. Kick!
:kick:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:49 AM
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46. Since this is consider a suspect source
I will tell you I found out about these camps from Alex Jones. Yes the same one that this board finds suspect in his reporting. I have a tape of 9-11 and in it he talks about the whole situation and backs it all up with accepted references. Believe what you want, but this is where I learned about the Fema Camps years ago....
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:46 AM
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44. Yes, but you have to remember that the people in the camps
"were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle)--this is working very well for them." -- Barbara Bush
:puke:

This is unreal. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for the people that managed to survive despite Dubya's and FEMA's non-response, they come up with something like this. It really makes you wonder what they will think of next.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:46 AM
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45. Because we have these camps set up all over the US
we have seen them in Texas, empty buildings with barb wire pointing in not out, to keep things inside the gate, not keep things from getting in, keep things from getting out.

They say we have these camps as an idea to a mass exodus of illegal aliens. Oh yes, I am sure that is it.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:14 AM
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47. Ok, this officially freaks me the hell out. N/T
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:21 AM
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48. Anyone still think FASCISTS haven't taken over our government? ANYONE?
Hello, people!

There are better, more humane, more constructive, less demoralizing and traumatizing ways of dealing with survivors of a catastrophe. THIS IS A RECEPE FOR FURTHER SOCIAL DISASTER. What is worse, it is meant to keep the rest of us from DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. It has the effect of CONDITIONING US to accepting internment of a population.

Wake up people. This is not a joke. Today it is our neighbors from New Orleans and the South, tomorrow will it be ME and my neighbors from Oakland, California?
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:07 PM
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56. Oh sure...come on down to Alabama, and these folks will
fill your ear about how great a job Bush is doing...Yes sir ree!
Yall Come, Ya Here!
Bama
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:49 AM
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50. And a horse guy is in charge and has the authority to do this
Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

http://www.fema.gov/library/eo12148.shtm

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12656.htm

Executive Order 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10990.htm

Executive Order 10995 allows Seizure of all communications media in the United States.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10995.htm

Executive Order 10997 allows Seizure of all electric power fuels and minerals, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10997.htm


Executive Order 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm

Executive Order 10999 allows Seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control of highways, seaports and waterways.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10999.htm

Executive Order 11000 allows Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision including the splitting of families if the government finds it necessary.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11000.htm

Executive Order 11001 allows seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11001.htm

Executive Order 11002 empowered the postmaster general to register all men, women and children in the U.S.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11002.htm

Executive Order 11003 allows seizure of all airports and aircraft.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11003.htm

Executive Order 11004 allows seizure of all housing and finance authorities to establish Forced Relocation Designated areas to be abandoned as "unsafe."
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11004.htm

Executive Order 11005 allows seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11005.htm

Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11051.htm

Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-11921.htm

Executive Order 12919 Signed June 3, 1994, by President Clinton. Encompasses all the above executive orders.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12919.htm
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:00 PM
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51. Kick
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:49 PM
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52. Kick
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:17 PM
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53. Kicked - Really, really important
Must advise Congressional Black Caucus and United Nations - BOTH!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:25 PM
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54. It sounds like prison!
or a concentration camp. Goddamn these assholes. It is worse and worse all the time. I would refuse to enter those camps if I couldn't ever leave. What about work- those who are able? Will they work in the prison laundry??? Will they have access to the outside world? TV, cell phones, email? Or will they be trapped, subject to who knows what kind of torture. FEMA needs to be overhauled. Fucking Nazi pieces of shit.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:28 PM
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55. In Monroe, LA they are making them wear armbands
This is true, believe it or not.

So far I don't think they make them wear a star
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:10 PM
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57. It just gets worse and worse.
These feds act like they are scared shitless of the victims. I wonder why?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:14 PM
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58. I seriously doubt this is truthful
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:29 PM by OKNancy
Firstly, I'm not a Baptist ( I'm an atheist) but people in Oklahoma have been going for summer retreats at Fall's Creek for ages. Many jokes about all the sex the Baptist's had when on retreat.

Anyway this is a beautiful area. Look up Turner Falls and the Arbuckle Mountains to know where it is located. The other location in Oklahoma is adjacent to Greenleaf State Park. Look that up too.

They have had so many volunteers they have had to turn away people and supplies. In the other displaced persons area in Oklahoma, people are free to come and go as they wish. My friend down near Camp Gruber and I talked about how she took a family shopping. I see no reason to believe that wouldn't be the same at Fall's Creek. I'm not sure anyone has arrived there yet btw.
It is a little remote, but we have cars and buses out her in Oklahoma you know. Also tons of really nice people who are ready and willing to help.

http://www.normantranscript.com/cnhi/thenormantranscript/opinion/local_story_250001923?keyword=topstory

http://www.turnerfallspark.com/

Edit: I finally got through on the link. Interesting that no beautiful pictures of the area were posted, only the one picture of the bunks. The author's only point is that it was remote. He did make an error. There are only supposed to be 3000 there, not 5,000.
They have not arrived yet, so who knows.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:30 PM
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61. There is a bunch of beautiful pictures of the area
if you didn't see them you should go back and look, 28 pictures I think, it's a timeline with pictures



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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:22 PM
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59. I wonder what FEMA thinks of hurricanehousing.org/ ? eom
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:26 PM
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60. Sounds Like Siberia...
The folks who posted this need to get cameras in there somehow! Or document what's going on at that remote camp. Seriously. This could be anything from some kind of experiment to "re-socialize the nigras" to Abu Gharaib North. The fact that the churches that own the cabins won't be able to minister to the people in them is telling - someone wants total control over those people.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:50 PM
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62. the author of this report turned down an interview with NPR
Hey guys,

I just want you all to know I just turned down an interview with NPR about this story. I wanted you to know so that you would understand that people do listen to us. And we do have a voice. And we can make a difference. I also wanted to say how grateful I am that NPR was willing to give me the opportunity to discuss this. I'm sorry that I couldn't do it though. NPR couldn't afford me anonymity and I just don't feel personally comfortable with discussing this in my real name.

I hope everybody understands.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg11
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:08 PM
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63. We must have a master list of where all of these people are!
This is so frightening! Our leaders must see to it that there is a list of where everybody was sent to/being kept. They must rescue the people from those camps and place them in hotels, apartments, or homes...NOW!!!!
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