french quarter - electric back on - people living - why are

[2Design]

people being forced out of the city - now - why are they unwilling to bring supplies in - this area was not flooded - they are using someone's swimming pool for cleaning by swimming

What is our government up to? Why do they want these people out? One white woman sweeping said they had been told they did not have to leave because they wanted their type there. Asked what that type was - she said people without guns or causing trouble - people who were productive -

call me tin foil - but I have no trust for government
They are going to bulldoze the houses and people will lose the only property they had - eminent domain - and they will say the records were lost - there is still much evil going on here -

the different groups with all their guns - military, fish and game continue to run into each other - they are all going through the same neighbors - walking

yet I did not see that many going through the flooded areas

They want to convince everyone to leave but they aren't helping them take their things

Now Mayor has declare a mandatory forceful evacuation - this is or seems to be very wrong at this time -

[ananda]

1. productive is the white racist buzzword..

for people who are not Black.

Sue

[undergroundrailroad]

4. AMEN! Soon you will see forced and government sponsored segregation.

Productive students go to school in the daytime. The "refugees" go to school at night time and have a curfew in place. No after school projects such as extra help, tutoring, basketball teams, cheer leaders, etc. No, we won't have THOSE opportunities.

Bush is A MONSTER. AN EVIL MONSTER!

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Sorry, but perhaps you need to check yourself

People are being flown to parts unknown to them. Even those that COULD go elsewhere are being forced to go where FEMA sends them. Once they are there, they are not free to wander in many locales such as Utah where they are behind barbed wire now and virtually being treated like prisoners.

The only person who played the race card was Bush when he fiddled while the poorest of the poor drowned.

Took him DAYS to get off his ass and even make a statement. Notice the FAST response when his racist buddy on the supreme court died this week.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. There are in Utah and I do have friends in Texas working at

shelters. While the vast majority of them report wonderful things and relief for the people displaced by this, some of them have reported back many "off color" insensitive statements from some of the fundi's staffing those shelters.

No it's not perfect, but stay the night in one as a resident before you claim it ain't bad.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. Oh my GOD!!! WHY AREN"T THEY REPORTING THE GOOD IN IRAQ??

I mean New Orleans.

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[txindy]

39. Type fast

:popcorn:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. The problem is your complete denial of the racism involved in

the coverage of the looting and the fact that if this were primarily wealthy white people they would not put them on a plane and withhold their destination.

Furthermore, you seem to be the one that keeps moving the target around.

And your use of the phrase "race card" after we've just seen these people treated like trash is the only thing I've noted thus far on this thread that is entirely disingenuous.

[txindy]

42. Well, darn. He's already bought the farm. Pig farm, I'm sure.

That was quick!

[2Design]

24. you embrass easily - stop reading

we embarass over wh non response and continue destruction of civil rights

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Oh hey, and can you explain white people "find" ;black people LOOT?

I'm all ears

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20. What are you talking about? There were plenty of news stories

calling people who took even the barest of necessities "looters"

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

32. And I responded that there were PLENTY of stories in the American

media portraying people who were simply trying to survive as LOOTERS.

You are the one that wants to deny the very obvious racism inherent in the lackluster response from Bush and his lackeys.

[Kerrytravelers]

40. And you help no one with your head in the clouds and not in reality,

What would you like on your tombstone?

[Gabi Hayes]

22. one word answer: uncontrollable, virulent, mutating diseases

ok, more than one word

but, mark mine.....that's going to be as big a story as anything else coming out of this

sorta like a new version of the Masque of the Red Death

[NYC]

25. Maybe they'll provide medicine and medical care

for people before communicable diseases get out of hand. (Maybe not, but I'm hoping.)

I hope it doesn't become like The Masque of the Red Death.

[Gabi Hayes]

37. could already be too late

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4671357&mesg_id=4671357

I was on the side of letting people hang on to what little they've got....an urban campground, as it were, but info like this makes me very worried, and even sadder than I already am

starting to feel like whatever they must've called those who weren't good Germans back in the 30s

[NYC]

43. Airborne?

From http://www.legitgov.org

"Four people in New Orleans have died from an airborne bacteria." --Source: Michelle Hofland, NBC News, 'Toxic City,' (live report) - MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country,' 10:06 PM EST, Tuesday, 06 Sept. 2005 {Hofland may have referred to the four people that died of a waterborne* bacterial infection.}

Suppose the person misspoke or misunderstood. Also, it says bacteria. They could get some antibiotics in there. I hear there are (were before forced evacuations began) quite a few people left in Algiers. Why not give them antibiotics, after identifying the disease.

Also, what condition were the 4 people in? Perhaps they were weak, and prone to respiratory infections.

I'm not sure we'll ever know what is going on. I think they want those people out no matter what. I think those people will never get their homes back, or even the land under their homes.

#3 Diaspora

1. A dispersion of a people from their original homeland.

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*Water Pollution a Concern in New Orleans 06 Sep 2005 Four people may have died of a waterborne bacterial infection circulating in Hurricane Katrina's flood waters, and health officials took steps Tuesday to stem spread of a diarrhea-causing virus among refugees in Houston's Astrodome. The deaths appear to have been caused by Vibrio vulnificus, a germ common in warm Gulf Coast waters that's usually spread by eating contaminated food but that can penetrate open wounds, too.
http://www.legitgov.org/

[Gabi Hayes]

44. just letting you know what's in store....not just bacteria

they don't have a CLUE what's cooking up in that water

and lordy knows what the diaspora may be carrying to every corner of the country

believe me, I have nothing against the victims, but it's WAY too early to speculate on the possible outcomes

who'd have guessed the way things have turned out since the evil ones took power in 2000.....

isn't anything possible now?

[NYC]

45. Yes, anything is possible.

Strangely, there are still people who do not believe that anything is possible. They still think all humans are civilized.

Lots of chemicals in the water. Even if that harm doesn't show up immediately, it will cause damage.

The victims. Weren't they vaccinated or something before being shipped out, or upon arrival? Shouldn't they have been vaccinated for diseases that spread person to person? (Naive of me. I doubt they were vaccinated before they left.)

I would suspect that more diseases would be waterborne or insect borne than are spread person to person. That would mean that dispersing those people would not have a serious effect on rescue workers, etc.

Who knows? At the moment, I figure the 4 or 5 people who died of the airborne/waterborne disease were severely weakened anyway. Weak people die a lot faster of any disease. Dehydrated and living in filth, how long would a person survive, even if it is a disease from which most people usually recover?

[candy]

2. Forced evacuation is always wrong if people are made aware

of the dangers.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Because they have "plans" for the NEW New Orleans that don't include the

oldtime residents...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4669920&mesg_id=4669920

[orleans]

27. and they can thank ... ? ... david souter? for his eminent domain vote

n/t

[bmcatt]

5. No potable water

As much as I'm happy to put on my tinfoil hat (or fold a new one), in this case, I think the evacuation is justified. There's *NO* drinkable water in the city. The entire water supply is contaminated and (I speculate) may be so for quite some time even after they get the city pumped out.

[2Design]

7. most cities water is not drinkable - people use bottle water

they could use bottle water -

[Patsy Stone]

8. Absolutely correct

and disease.

[2Design]

6. forcing them out for capitalism

This is capitalism at its worse

This does seem to be for corporations - yes it is speculation - but so much of what they have done here seems criminal already

people are being forced out - even in french quarter where electricity is on - this poor people were homeowners, land owners - saying they won't be coming back - also people saying land will be cheap - there is something rotten in denmark

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4669920

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4670087&mesg_id=4670087

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4673386

[2Design]

9. more people smell a rat

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4673904

[CottonBear]

10. Why can white St. Bernard and Jefferson Parish residents return daily

and the NOLA residents must leave permanently? Why did the Gretna police and sheriffs prevent NOLA people from crossing the bridge into their parish?
Why is the UNDAMGED 24 mile causeway from NOLA north across the lake to (mostly white) St. Tammany Parish and Lacombe (where my racist but beloved in-laws lived before evacauting) blocked to all but emergency vehicle traffic?

Why? :cry:

[2Design]

11. my questions exactly

it still is not a equal and fair shake happening here

there is still something rotten in denmark

[amandabeech]

29. As to St. Bernard and Jefferson Parishes, I recall reading that

residents were allowed back for 2-3 days to pick up what they could and clean up a bit, but then they all have to leave, too. It's the same reason--contaminated water, lack of sanitation and nasty microbes all over the place.

I agree with your comments about the other communities, however. But if those other places don't get their water and sanitation up soon, my guess is that they'll be forced to evacuate, too.

[Redstone]

13. Oh, bullshit. There's no fucking conspiracy.

They need to get everyone out of that toxic stew.

Are you going to start shouting "genocide" when those stubborn assholes start dying of typhus? Or plague? Or when their skin erupts in chloracne from exposure to PCBs?

Christ, can ANYONE in any position of authority do ANYTHING that you won't have some crackbrained conspiracy theory about?

Redstone

[peacemon]

16. They could just roll over and die.. Wouldn't question that

[applegrove]

21. Cholera. Pestilence. More people dying. And then the evacuation workers

being put into the way of Cholera, Pestilence, etc. when they have to evacuate really sick people who are throwing up, have diarea, etc.

Also Hep C. Toxic leaks.

The only people who are allowed to stay are people living in New Orleans fully across the Mississippi from the flooding & the death & the illness that will result.

The cycle of illness and its exponential growth are as predictable as the cycle of lawlessness. It would be another crime to just stand down and ignore it.

[2Design]

23. wonder if that means media too - one way of stopping the stories

if they don't allow them in - this is like iraq - they didn't want them reporting

[NYC]

30. Photojournalists have cameras taken by police.

http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html

...Two veteran photojournalists - NPPA member Rick Wilking of Reuters and Getty's Mark Wilson - were robbed of cameras and computer equipment today while on assignment in a neighborhood in New Orleans, and a photojournalist and a reporter were confronted at gunpoint and slammed against a wall by police following a shoot-out between looters and cops that left at least one person dead....

Another photojournalist - Lucas Oleniuk of the Toronto Star - was knocked to the ground by police, his gear taken from him initially, when he photographed them shooting at looters and then beating one...

Another article said people are not allowed to photograph the corpses.

[Dr Fate]

26. Has somthing to do with what Hastert said?

?

[The_Casual_Observer]

33. Seems logical that since it isn't flooded the power would be

be brought back there first. However, the surrounding areas are a big mess, so in the interest of sanity, it makes sense to keep everybody away for a while, I would bet that running water isn't safe yet.

[2Design]

35. so why isn't EVERYONE leaving - why is military staying and others

all the reasons for leaving - would apply to EVERYONE - not just residents

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4674949&mesg_id=4674949

[2Design]

36. more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4675012

[Erika]

46. Urban renewal for the rich?

The mayor did back W in the last election.

[Bluebear]

47. Halliburton employees need entertainment too.

When they rebuild this great city, might they not want to down a few hurricanes (ooh, get it? hahaha!) and visit a burlesque house? :sarcasm: