WOW! Read this if you still don't believe Bush ignored Katrina!!

[cboy4]

This is a portion of NBC's Brian Williams' blog -- it was posted on a TV news industry web site called News Blues:

"I will never forget one particular moment: I was on the phone with my wife while at the checkout area when a weather bulletin arrived on my Blackberry, along with a strong caveat from our New York producers."
-------------------
Below are actual excerpts, in the urgent, all-capital-letters style of the medium. Note the time on the message... but more importantly... note the content.***

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER.

AT LEAST HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED...ALL WINDOWS WILL BE BLOWN OUT.

THE VAST MAJORITY...OF TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

[LiberalVoice]

1. Are you sure thats accurate? nt

[tjdee]

2. That was posted here several times before Monday.

I remember seeing it a number of times.

[Ready4Change]

10. Me too.

Was hoping it would turn out to be crying wolf.

[eleny]

23. Me three

[LiberalVoice]

11. oh ok

Im just stoned and that seemed like an awfully similar to what actually happened. Go figure, huh? :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. yes I remember it too

[coffeenap]

3. I saw the same NWS report that day, fwiw. nt

[Land Shark]

4. yeah, that's confirmed. it was even posted here on DU pre-Katrina

[stillcool]

5. those forecasts were dire....

this is a good link...

http://www.katrinatimeline.org/

[hlthe2b]

12. Yes.. those of us online Sunday night were posting this with

horror. It is the real thing.

[Don Claybrook]

14. I saw it the evening before it hit. There were threads here. n/t

[nonconformist]

27. Sun Aug-28

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490806

[Beam Me Up]

29. Absolutely accurate. I coppied and pasted it into an email that I sent out

after having read it here on DU. It was sent out at 8:04 PM (California Time) on 8/28/05. This is the original link although the text has now been changed:

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ww/wwus74.klix.npw.lix.txt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. It's accurate. I read it here the Sunday night prior to the hurricane

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. Any viable, reliable links?

That's not at all the style that the national weather service sends out notices.

Not even close.

looks like pure and utter bullshit to me.

[coffeenap]

15. Link to current reports--style is the same.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/us/allwarnings.html

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. No it isn't.

It isn't even close.

[bpilgrim]

51. Here is the link to the NOAA site - so CHILL!

Googles cache

stop yelling at people about things you don't know about, please.

peace

[bpilgrim]

54. permanant archive here ------- ----------- ---------- > LINK

http://news.globalfreepress.com/katrina/noaa/warning.html

more...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/index.php?cat=19

psst... pass the word ;->
peace

[Sydnie]

28. That report was posted here on Sunday BEFORE the hurricane

I believe he was sent that message on his blackberry. I read that report myself.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. It's real. Advanced search is off, but it was the scariest warning

I had ever read and I read it the night before the hurricane at NWS's site.

The entire warning is here in the archives.

[nonconformist]

42. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490806

[Rabrrrrrr]

44. Interesting, the time is different in that one

[nonconformist]

48. Why is that interesting? It had been updated since the other one.

That's what they do, they constantly update weather releases.

[not systems]

52. It is also in the google cache...

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:I8yDDWxjsaIJ:www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php%3Fpil%3DNPWLIX%26version%3D7%26max%3D51+%22413+PM+CDT+SUN+AUG+28+2005%22&hl=en

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. They issued warnings all day long

that day. Most were posted right here.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

55. Damn you beat me to it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x3930122

The time is different because they kept upgrading it. That was the worst one, then they seemed to tone them down when it was downgraded to a 4

[not systems]

7. I read this 9 days ago...

so it was.

[tuvor]

8. Here's the whole thing.

At least, this is what another DUer posted on August 28. I thought it might be worth keeping.

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

$$

LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET


CLR: 107

[HR_Pufnstuf]

16. well that about wraps this case up.

WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.


Toast. Freedom toast too.

[SofaKingLiberal]

9. Here is the link from NOAA

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/LIX/HLSLIX.0508291359

[Rabrrrrrr]

13. That is WAY more realistic

than the OP's bullshit fake one.

[Don Claybrook]

17. if it's bullshit

then it's bullshit everyone here bought on the evening of landfall.

[hlthe2b]

19. A number of us questioned how overt it was...

Not the strictly "objective scientific" discription we have come to expect from Government agencies.

BUT, it was widely distributed Sunday--here and elsewhere. I received copies by email from friends/colleagues as well. And, if I was taken in, I was in good company. Given how close to the truth it ended up being.... well....

[Rabrrrrrr]

21. If I see the primary source, I will believe

But until someone finds a link to that report ON the noaa web site, I will not believe it.

it's so totally unlike anything the noaa puts out, esp. in terms of specifics (A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...AT LEAST HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED...ALL WINDOWS WILL BE BLOWN OUT...ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED...POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.)

It all reeks of excessive hyperbole, the kind of excessive and ridiculous hyperbole that makes for great email scams.

The national weather service would never put out a bulletin with such oddly specific, and unscientific, bloviations.

Until I see a link to the national weather service website, I conclude that this is pure, unadulterated, made up bullshit.

[not systems]

25. your link is right here...

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:EKA45tr_WnQJ:www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php%3Fpil%3DNPWLIX%26version%3D8%26max%3D51+%221011+AM+CDT+SUN+AUG+28+2005%22&hl=en

[Beam Me Up]

31. Thanks for that!

:thumbsup:

[SofaKingLiberal]

33. I'm skeptical

Why does the title bar say product view?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

34. Skeptical of what?

What else do you need to see in order to believe it?

I saw it with my own eyes. A lot of DU'ers did. I copy and pasted it onto my blog. If you're still skeptical after seeing it in Google's cache, well then I don't know what to tell ya!

[not systems]

35. This is very clear...

"This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=NPWLIX&version=8&max=51 as retrieved on Sep 2, 2005 05:09:25 GMT."

The text has been removed since Sep 2, 2005
but I'm not sure what you mean by product view?

It says "productview.php" the name of the script that generates
the web page.

Nothing mysterious there.

[SofaKingLiberal]

39. Got it

I just like being sure before I pass info along.

[Rabrrrrrr]

40. Okay, I searched the national weather service site

Here's the page that lists all the bulletins they sent out for Katrina:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/KATRINA.shtml?

You need to scroll down a bit to get to August 28.

The "bulletin" the OP posted is not be found in there. And, in the entirety of the bulletins given for August 28, there are NONE - absolutely NONE - that have the hyper-emotionalistic, non-scientific hyperbole of the alleged bulletin that the OP posted.

Your link is not a primary source link - it's a google link. However, given the trustworthiness of google, and the fact that the page they grabbed seems legit, I don't know what to make of it.

Perhaps some random yahoo guy at the national weather service decided to send out his own, unofficial bulletin, and google grabbed a copy of it before the national weather service realized what the yahoo had done. I don't know.

But the truth is, the style of the "bulletin" the OP posted is so totaly unlike ANY bulletin I've ever seen from the national weather service, that I still am suspect about its origins. Especially since it isn't in the archive on the offical website, and also since the archive has bulletins that speak of equivalent destruction and with equivalent immediacy, but without the emotionalistic hyperbole.

So,like Scopes, I have to say that there is no way to prove that the OP's "bulletin" is bullshit, as suspected, but there's no way to prove it's legit, either, so the jury is out. And I decide to sway to the side of bullshit. Especially considering that the legitimate bulletins that are on the official website are equally damning, equally cognizent of the destructive power, equally warning of the destruction (but without the hyper-emotionalistic hyperbole), why not go with the official ones, and not look like a cuckoo?

[not systems]

46. Umm... since I read it off the noaa site 9 days ago...

I will believe my own eyes.

You believe what you want for whatever reasons you want.

I guess the evil google elves have been faking their cache
just like the devil planting the dinosaur bones to fools us.

[bpilgrim]

56. this was PUBLISHED at NOAA's site, it is NOT BULLSHIT, hello...

maybe some yahoo from FEMA ordered it REMOVED, that is the more likely explanation on why it got pulled AND why it showed up on the mans blackberry.

now stop yelling at people about YOUR IGNORANCE and them try some LAME a$$ way to say YOU were nt WRONG when you were, sheesh...

here is a permanant archive...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/katrina/noaa/warning.html

make sure you BOOKMARK it and pass the word :hi:

peace

peace

[Lone_Star_Dem]

57. The google cache of the site still has it

Read the google header of the search, it's from
http://www.srh.noaa.gov as it read on Sep 2, 2005 05:09:25 GMT


Copy and paste of header in plain text for readability.



This is G o o g l e's cache of
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=NPWLIX&version=8&max=51
as retrieved on Sep 2, 2005 05:09:25 GMT.
G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page
as we crawled the web.
The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the
current page without highlighting.
This cached page may reference images which are no longer
available. Click here for the cached text only.
To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:EKA45tr_WnQJ:www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php%3Fpil%3DNPWLIX%26version%3D8%26max%3D51+%221011+AM+CDT+SUN+AUG+28+2005%22&hl=en



Edited to add: You can't stick stuff into a sites cache that
was not there to begin with. This would even be good enough
for snopes. 

[cboy4]

50. Yay! Thanks for finding that for me not systems!

:bounce"

[SeveneightyWhoa]

32. It's real. There is no "link" on the official website, because..

..they edit as they go along.

I copy and pasted the message in question onto my blog. Here's a link: http://www.counterbias.com/blog/2005/08/yikes.html .

If you don't believe it, well, I don't know why you wouldn't believe a whole bunch of trustworthy DU'ers.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

37. I had to follow the link that night myself

I refused to believe it the way it was worded. It was real I saw it posted on their sight with my own eyes.

That was when the fear really set in.

Remember, at this time they thought they eye was going to pass over New Orleans. This is exactly what they were expecting to happen.

[bpilgrim]

58. "It all reeks of excessive hyperbole" - have you been pay'n ATTENTION

this past week?

here catch up on what the WORST NATURAL DISASTER in our history done to the gulf...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/index.php?cat=19

maybe the EXPERTS knew what was coming and wanted to WARN people in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS.

peace

[nonconformist]

45. It's NOT FAKE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490806

Look at when the thread was posted. Look at the link cited (the link now takes you to a current weather release). Look at the 99 responses to that thread, people that followed the link and read it themselves right from weather.noaa.gov.

[cboy4]

61. Hey...why the hell are your responses so hostile?

Even if that weather service bulletin was embellished by someone, there were a lot of people who verbally articulated the same information! You know that.

So either way, Bush is a failure of historic proportions.

And, since you think you know so much, can you tell me how his golf game went in Arizona while the hurricane was destroying the Gulf Coast?

[Canuckistanian]

62. I saw it too, exactly like that

I thought it was a bit hyperbolic, but.... it was there.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. No...there was a stronger warning that came later

I'm gonna go back and see if I can find it

[Spazito]

18. I read it when it was put up on NOAA, it sure scared the crap out

of me and I don't live anywhere NEAR. It is absolutely genuine.

[Dr.Phool]

I live on the Gulf Coast in Florida

And very similar worded warnings are posted from the Weather Service on the Weather Channels website.

The descriptions try to put out an accurate description of what to expect. It's real.

[BQueen]

65. ditto n/t

[not systems]

20. It is in the google cache but missing from to original site...

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:EKA45tr_WnQJ:www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php%3Fpil%3DNPWLIX%26version%3D8%26max%3D51+%221011+AM+CDT+SUN+AUG+28+2005%22&hl=en

000
WWUS74 KLIX 281550
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!

...

[Gelliebeans]

24. Is this the link?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532/

[smartvoter]

26. Just like "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the U.S." Useless... nt

[SeveneightyWhoa]

30. Yup, I posted it on my blog. Link:

http://www.counterbias.com/blog/2005/08/yikes.html

I had to wonder whether FEMA and the Bush administration had a chance to read it.

[Auntie Bush]

36. And Prick Sanitorium wants to pass a bill making us pay for the

the wearher report. Good luck Rick!

[RamboLiberal]

49. I just posted a story of a "hair on fire" forecaster briefing Bush

on Sunday the 28th about the seriousness of this hurricane. This guy was frantic. He wanted to do all he could to convince Bush, and the authorities in the states and cities affected that this was a big one. He wanted to be able to sleep at night knowing he did all he could. Too bad our Dear Leader and most of his cabal was still on vacation!

Posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4673977

[psychopomp]

64. That is an AMAZING article! Bush knew!

More people need to see that article!

[milkyway]

59. NBC confirmed it was real, per Brian Williams' blog. This warning was

issued at 10:11am CST Sunday, and posted several times that day at DU. I saw the warning on Sunday and freaked out the rest of the day. Also on Sunday there was mention that a flooding of New Orleans could cause 40,000-60,000 dead.

Was bush told of these warnings beforehand? If so, why didn't he have a WTF! moment and spring into action? If bush was not told, why did the people working under him decide either bush did not need to know, or bush did not care to know? And what about Mr. National Security himself, Dick Fucking Cheney? What were his other priorities before and after the hurricane hit?

What did bush know, and when did he know it? And if he didn't know, did he know he didn't know it?

_____

Here's the quote from Brian Williams blog yesterday, who, by the way, has been pretty great before, during and after the hurricane hit:

There are a few details from a week ago that are strikingly telling in the light of day a week later. Our team arrived in Baton Rouge Sunday afternoon, Aug. 28. After renting cars, we headed to top off our gas tanks before one last stop at a Wal-Mart for provisions. The air was already frantic, the snack aisles empty and the last of the bottled water were selling out as we watched. I will never forget one particular moment: I was on the phone with my wife while at the checkout area when a weather bulletin arrived on my Blackberry, along with a strong caveat from our New York producers. The wording and contents were so incendiary that our folks were concerned that it wasn't real... either a bogus dispatch or a rogue piece of text. I filed a live report by phone for Nightly News (after an exchange with New York about the contents of the bulletin) and very cautiously couched the information. Later, we learned it was real, every word of it. Below are actual excerpts, in the urgent, all-capital-letters style of the medium. Note the time on the message... but more importantly... note the content.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9216831/#050905

Note: William's does not quote the entire warning. It is referenced elsewhere in this thread.

[liveoaktx]

60. Recorded this on Sunday/Monday morning Aug 28

Hurricane CNN Weather Aug 28

Political Videos

[Hissyspit]

63. I emailed to my friends that night as the "Hurricane Forecast From Hell"

It was ALL TOO REAL and ACCURATE.

[ForrestGump]

66. What's the big problem with believing this is a real report?

The first time I was about to get hit by a hurricane I was surprised to find that this 'hyperbolic, 'non-scientific' style was on display, but it sure was. Not at all unusual, at least in such extreme weather events (the only time I used to log on to check for bulletins was when I was about to get hit by a hurricane). If memory serves, they have different styles of weather bulletin that are issued simultaneously, or nearly so, at least during hurricane events.

[Peace Patriot]

67. Sounds to me like the emotional language may have been because

somebody at NWS--seeing all the political bullshit going on, the downgrading of the hurricane that lulled many of us (me included) into thinking it wasn't going to be so bad, and "hair on fire" getting blank stares from Bush and Bushites who were already dividing up Louisiana real estate among themselves (as they did with maps of Iraq oil fields at Cheney's secret energy meetings in spring '01), and who had already given standdown orders to FEMA--WANTED TO **GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS**!!! REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS that the shit was about to hit the fan.

Nothing like murderous Bushite thieves in pre-profiteering mode to make you lose your scientific style.

[cthrumatrix]

68. bush has rove making more teflon

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

69. I remember this too! I wish the advanced search was working! nt

[LeftHander]

70. Santorum wants to turn NOAA over to Accuweather...

No free daily weather reports.

Only Accuweather subscribers would be allowed detailed info.

Only grave warnings would be issued.

Boaters, pilots, campers, outdoor sports would all suffer under Santorums bill recently introduced that would effectivly privatize the National Weather Service....to a company that he gets large contributions from....accuweather.

He says the government shouldn't be in the weather business and compteting in against private companies....

[jokerman93]

73. Blows my mind

Anytime there's an "event" these vultures find a way to push their greedy corporatist agenda. Privatize. They probably intend to argue that the NWS failed us.

I'll make a bet part od the NOLA SNAFU was that they hadn't gotten their contracts in place and didn't want to deploy gov. resources until they could make some deals.

Gawd have I gotten cynical! (Didn't think THAT was even possible.)

:wtf:

[kick-ass-bob]

71. I have portions of this in my sig line right next to Bush's pic eating

cake.

[magellan]

72. It's real. Here it is on the College of DuPage Weather Lab Site

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

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WWUS74 KLIX 282139
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
..DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

..INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!



LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

..INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

[cthrumatrix]

76. but but but Bush was playing his guitar for another photo op

[Rabrrrrrr]

74. Okey dokey everyone, Rabrrrrrr has some egg on face

I sent an email with the links to the two bulletins cahced at google to Frank Lepore at the NOAA, and here is what he said. Note that he passed my email on to a Chris Lauer, and you can see Chris' response here as well.

So, son of a gun, the things are legit, and Rabrrrrrr stands corrected!

The advisories you cite are valid, issued by the National Weather Service Forecast Office, Slidell (La.) Because they are issued locally, they would not appear in the National Hurricane Center archive of products.

Given the apocalyptic language in Slidell's advisory, and the almost prophetic outcome, it's not surprising that they would gain attention.


Respectfully submitted,

Frank Lepore
Public Affairs Officer
National Hurricane Center
11691 S.W. 17th Street
Miami, FL 33165-2149

----------------------------------

E-Mail:
URL: http//www.nhc.noaa.gov

Chris Lauer wrote:
> Those are two "Non-Precipitation Warnings" issued by the New Orleans
> office. Max forwarded one of those to the entire staff, I believe.
> They aren't on our website, and never were.
>

[Spazito]

75. I appreciate you posting the response from NOAA, it will be helpful

when the issue of validity comes up again. Following up on your query of the legitimacy of the OP has resulted in irrefutable proof it is legitimate, so, thanks!

[soup]

78. No, Rabrrrrrr deserves an award

and a thank you. Well done. :thumbsup:

I'd seen the report myself at the time, so didn't question the validity, but the alarm voiced in it was so atypical of the usually cut and dried reports, your doubt is completely understandable.

Following through and verifying it for everyone's future reference was a great service to us all.

[watercolors]

77. He was on Imus this am

yew it was posted there to read also. It is true!