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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:14 AM
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50 Firefighters Flown in for Bush Photo-Op
Besides FEMA spending two days training them to hand out flyers - unfriggin believable!

<snip>

As specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.

http://www.dailykos.com/

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Excerpt is from Salt Lake Tribune - read it and get more pissed!

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197
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ChowChowChow Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:15 AM
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1. This needs to be emailed to all media outlets all day everyday
UNTIL they talk about it on air!
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:18 AM
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2. This just keeps getting better and better.
What would happen if one of the "big three" actually reported on this stuff?

Wow.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:18 AM
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53. And of course there's the little matter
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 10:24 AM by Karenina
of hugging the two SOUTH AFRICAN women who live outside the immediately affected area. Plastic turkey on parade. Things that make ya go hmmm...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4676952
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:19 AM
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3. This needs to be put to an end.Silly ass.
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 12:30 AM by Algorem
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:21 AM
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4. Sickening!
TWO DAYS TO "LEARN" TO PASS OUT FLYERS?! WHAT IN THE WORLD?! WHAT'S SO HARD TO PASS OUT A FREAKIN FLYER?!?!?! There he goes again. Abusing the firemen! I wonder how they like their cuts.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:04 PM
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67. No, two days to learn how to become FEMA apologists...
two days to learn how to become photo-op props, tools in the hands of the bush propaganda machine. In short, two days learning to become better, more effective Republicans.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:23 AM
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5. Sickening
:puke:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:23 AM
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6. Disgusting but Utah voted for him overwhelmingly
So let them pay for his stage props aka civil servants.
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brazil Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:27 AM
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14. Not those of us in Salt Lake
Salt Lake is very Democratic. Enough with the anti-Utah comments already. What we don't have in numbers we make up for in spirit. You won't find a more committed bunch anywhere. We're deep behind enemy lines here - have a heart.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:32 AM
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20. I REALLY Admire Red State DUers!!
Just reading FR, I think I would suffocate in one of those places!! Here in L.A. you really don't run into many freepers thank God,
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:20 AM
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24. Thanks, from another liberal behind enemy lines...
it's rough, being outnumbered by such a large margin (my state is not as red as my county is!)
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:14 AM
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22. Speaking from Austin, TX ...
I know exactly how you feel.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:26 AM
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26. I second that!
I'm in Austin too. Welcome to DU Ian :hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:40 AM
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29. oh PLEASE
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 07:41 AM by Skittles
try living in the DALLAS SUBURBS

Skittles, who lived in Austin for SEVENTEEN YEARS; you have no CLUE!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. 16 years in San Antonio
before moving to Austin. Yep, I know what you mean. These days, though, even Austin has it's growing contingency of yahoos.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:11 AM
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34. yeah
when I visit Austin it reminds me of a mini-Dallas. I lived in Austin from '76 - '93 - (I was stationed at Bergstrom AFB, that's how I got there). Oh, those were the glory days............
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:05 AM
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43. I'm red-locked. I'm surrounded by about 70% Bushlovers
down in south Texas.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:37 AM
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50. 90% for Bush in my city/county in 2004
so Austin is like friggin' paradise to me. I live for visits to Austin!!!!!! And, San Antonio---I love San Antone
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:24 AM
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81. Texas ex-patriot
I lived in Irving for 18 years and now live in New York City. Sometimes actuallu miss it there. Mostly the rent...
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:39 AM
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51. Thanks for doing what you do, brazil.
I'm in Texas; I can only imagine how it must be up there for you.

Fight the power, baby!
FSC
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:54 PM
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77. I know how you feel.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:21 AM
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47. I really wish we'd stop taking potshots at red states.
I'm a red stater with my own mind and I'm sick to death of it.

Please, just stop it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:28 AM
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7. How far down can these people go?
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 12:28 AM by SeattleGirl
This absolutely makes me SICK!! I read a post on here earlier this evening about how firefighters where sitting in Atlanta (after being requested by FEMA), with nothing to do because once they were called in, they were told to wait.

Haven't know lots of firefighters in my life, but have known tons of police and sheriff's officers, and I can tell you, they would be PISSED off at this kind of crap! Most of them (yes there are some renegade bad guys and gals) take their jobs very seriously, and being a prop in a photo-op for ANY president would not be their number one priority!!!

:grr:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:31 AM
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8. Surprised Chimpy didn't don that gear, too.
Those guys were dressed like that to HAND OUT FLIERS, for Pete's sake!

And check out how Bush is rolling up his sleeves, like he's getting into some "HARD WORK"!!
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NiteOwll Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:36 AM
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10. Yep, that's what I was thinking...
Mission accomplished. :puke:

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http://media.putfile.com/Louisiana--2005
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:32 AM
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19. His, umm, manliness wouldn't show in the fireman's turnout pants
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:32 AM
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9. where is the bullhorn?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:38 AM
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11. Hey, Shrubbie don't need no bullhorn.
Remember, the victims are mostly those dark skinned people. :silly:
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:47 AM
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12. REMEMBER HIS CAMPAIGN COMMERCIALS WITH NYC FIREMEN?
Why am I not fucking surprised....

The Bush response to tragedy:

PHOTO OP WITH BRAVE FIREFIGHTERS!!
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:22 AM
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13. This man is totally shameless (n/t)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:24 AM
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15. Absolutely disgusting! He will use anyone for anything to further his
bullshit agenda. What a useless piece of shit.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:26 AM
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16. He's desperately seeking his bullhorn moment
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:27 AM
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17. It seems that everything is a photo-op
these days with him. Purely disgusting. People need to hear of this.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:31 AM
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18. he's mad becuase he can't stand on a rock pile with a "bullhorn"
now he's pulling out every photo chance to see what sticks
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:10 PM
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68. Don't worry........
once they drain New Orleans and there's a dry patch of ground that doesn't have a dead body on it, he'll be there on a pile of SOMETHING (probably bullshit) and announce that he's in total control and everything is going to AOK! It'll bring a tear to your eye, it will! :cry:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:53 AM
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31. These days?
This has been SOP from day one.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:52 PM
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63. Bush: Why do I have to do everything?
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:47 AM
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21. I have had enough of these Rovian tactics.
They are transparent, phony and certainly not any way to lead a nation. Its all about the photo op and their image. Its a disgrace to be coordinating photo ops and image-boosting stunts while Americans die due to negligence.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:17 AM
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23. Can this get any more f'ed up than it already is?
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 07:21 AM by soup
and why do I keep asking that question, when it obviously can and does?

>> On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.
Federal officials are unapologetic.
"I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.<<

>> "They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still -victims- in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."
The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters.<<

>> Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the wake of their absence. Cities are picking up the tab to fill the firefighters' vacancies while they work 30 days for the federal government.
"There are all of these guys with all of this training and we're sending them out to hand out a phone number," an Oregon firefighter said. "They -the hurricane victims- are screaming for help and this day -of FEMA training- was a waste." <<

The hits just keep comin'. Using people who are trained for and dedicated to providing a vital service to pass out fliers, say '1-800-621-FEMA', and to walk down a road for a photo-op with the worse than worthless *POS - despicable.

edit to replace brackets in the article with a dash so the words will appear here.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:24 AM
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25. Billmon (Whiskey Bar) has a great rant about this
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 07:36 AM by Dudley_DUright
I guess this is what Bush was talking about yesterday when he called himself a "problem solver." But one of these days he and the Rovians really ought to take a stab at trying to solve other people's problems.

I'm just surprised they didn't shove some boots and a helmet on Shrub and stick him behind the wheel of a fire engine. Maybe with a big banner on the side: "Lets Roll!"

So what's next? Will they round up some doctors and have them tag along with Shrub while he visits patients at an emergency field hospital? (Ideally, a tidy tent full of young, attractive African American patients -- nothing bloody or threatening.) Surely that can be arranged.

Or how about a town meeting with the engineers plugging the levee breaks? They could explain what they're doing and show Shrub their plans, and he could nod his head and pretend like he understands what they're talking about. That shouldn't take more than a half a day out of their schedule. And what's another half day when most of those people have been trapped in their attics for a week already?

more...

http://billmon.org/archives/002138.html
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:38 AM
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28. 'fireworks show'
thanks for the link:

>>Or (stand back: genius at work here) how about flying in that Iraqi woman who was at Shrub's last state of the union address, and having her serve turkey to the troops and the cops -- as a gesture of thanks for Iraq's new Islamic constitution.

Then they could get all the cops, troops, doctors and firefighters -- and maybe a high school marching band or two -- together in the Superdome parking lot for a fireworks show! With Dick Cheney as MC! And Condi in her high-heeled boots and her Matrix coat!<<

-

"If we couldn't laugh we would go insane
If we weren't all crazy we would just go insane"
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:29 AM
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27. Move over George and let the real men do their job
This photo is hilarious. He's trying so hard to look as tough and competent. Poor guy looks pretty pathetic next to real heroes.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:08 AM
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33. Something else that struck me about the pic
Look at their posture.

The firefighters are watching where they walk, on the side of the road - which only makes sense, since the area was just destroyed by a hurricane.

and *he is posing for the camera - strutting down the middle of a cleared street in all of his cleanshoe majesty.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:57 AM
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57. ...in all of his cleanshoe majesty.
:spray: :rofl:

Empty tent republicans.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:53 AM
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32. They'll spin it that it was in case Bush caught fire somewhere (nt)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:12 AM
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35. Look at that douchebag. Last time he "rolled up his sleeves"
(insert a heroin-themed one-liner here)
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:29 AM
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37. his sleeves were rolled up when he landed
this is just for the cameras. pure 100% genuine propaganda.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:44 PM
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61. Bush kept rolling down his sleeves so he could roll them up again
in front of the cameras at the next photo op. In essence, the main thing he did out there in his visit to the disaster areas was roll his sleeves up and down.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #35
79. the crooks of his arms are very white
but he snorted, not freebased
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:28 AM
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36. There's other hidden outrages in this...
This is an outrage on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

1) Using the firefighters who are also trained in search and rescue, EMT, HazMat, etc. when the area is screaming for firefighters for FEMA to use as fucking Walmart greeters is the obvious outrage.

2) Taking these highly skilled workers from their municipalities puts an undue strain on those municipalities as well as the firefighters that have to cover for them.

3) Making the municipalities PAY for this is fucking dastardly... Billions of our tax dollars were sunk into FEMA, and that stinking bastard squating in the WH gutted that money out of FEMA to use for God knows what... and Congress just allocated more billions. Why are municipalities surrendering THEIR money to FEMA especially for something that thousands upon thousands of volunteers would gladly do for nothing? It's a filthy underhanded way of appropriating funds for FEMA that aren't connected to the Federal government. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY UNDERHANDEDLY APPRORIATING NON-FED MONEY FOR????

4) It's a worthless exercise anyway seeing as all the firefighters can really do as far as answering questions is to say "call the phone number"... but who among the Katrina victims have working phones???? Most of these people don't even have a fucking change of underwear!!!

5) It's disgusting that these firefighters were USED for Bush's photo-op when their skills were so desparately needed for the victims! Bush could just have easily put actors in firefighter outfits for his photo-op -- there was ZERO reason to use REAL firefighters for that.

And guess why they specifically wanted firefighters for their little PR campaign? They wanted it to LOOK like they had plenty of first responders to spare when they are woefully undermanned.

Pretty damn obvious why they told them not to talk to reporters!!!

GOD DAMMIT! EVERY SINGLE DAY THERE IS YET ANOTHER OUTRAGE!!!

**MEDIA BLAST THE HELL OUT OF THIS!!!**

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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:35 AM
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38. This is just sickening!
Just like the photo-op with the two women in Mississippi.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:45 AM
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39. "Flabbergasted" doesn't even BEGIN to express my reaction n/t
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:49 AM
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40. They are walking
along Howard Avenue, Biloxi. The street in the background is called Dorries Street. Howard Avenue is also the road along which the photo op with the looting Bassier sisters took place (don't know what I am talking about? Go here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4658603)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:52 AM
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41. There's nothing worse than a brainwashed hero seeking a photo op with
a brown turd! Please guys get a clue. Why would you want to be exploited along with N.O. You should be embarrassed to stand next to this shitpile.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:02 AM
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42. If there is a breakdown of communication it is likely in their own
departments" I quit reading right there. Fuck.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:10 AM
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44. kicking EOM
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:14 AM
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45. Set Up on the Today Show with Katie Couric???
I was just now watching Katie Couric interview the Gov. of Texas Perry in the Astro Dome. In the middle of the interview, one of the women evacuees came up and interrupted the interview to thank Perry for the wonderful work he had done and to personally thank him. I'm sorry but from what I know of the Bush republicans, this was a set up and it just makes me sick. Photo ops and image seem to be more important than human lives.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:16 AM
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46. FEMA Officials are from a different PLANET
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:17 AM by ewagner
This quote showms me where their (FEMA'S)priorities are:

Federal officials are unapologetic.
"I
would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.

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bostonbabs Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:28 AM
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48. there is SCUM in the White House n/t
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:35 AM
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49. These guys are so much worse
than the Clinton administration ever was vis-a-vis raw image politics....there is nothing that is beyond them.
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:07 AM
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52. Can't find....
the post from the other day.

(From the article)

"The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams......."


Someone posted a yahoo? story about this request several days ago. It didn't say anything about community relations. Thus, everyone here discussed the reasons for why "two man teams": that they needed two people who trusted each other, knew each other well, worked well together etc.

I wish someone with better searching capabilities than I could find this OP.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:19 PM
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71. This is the FEMA/DHS request....
http://www.jems.com/firerescue/exclus05/e0901b.html

"The work is non-operational community relations focused activities that consist of direct outreach to persons in the affected areas. They will assist victims in understanding how they will go about the process of getting federal assistance, distributing information, providing minimal first-aid, and taking reports. The work will be outside, exposed to the elements and will require significant walking. "

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:28 AM
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54. I just wish I could get as close to Bush as these firefighters.
I'd sucker punch him so hard it would leave a permanent mark.
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:39 AM
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55. That Sonofva Bush is such a fake I bet he even fakes orgasm. N/T
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:46 AM
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56. Bush stages his own photo ops where as international aid really helps!
Strange that we haven't enough personnel to cope with this disaster? Doesn't stop Bush flying in a few pals for a photo op.

The BBC at least are sincere.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4218612.stm
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:13 AM
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58. ...and offer of international aid immediate but FEMA delayed taking up the
Foreign Giving
Offers of Aid Immediate, but U.S. Approval Delayed for Days

By Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; Page A01

Offers of foreign aid worth tens of millions of dollars -- including a Swedish water purification system, a German cellular telephone network and two Canadian rescue ships -- have been delayed for days awaiting review by backlogged federal agencies, according to European diplomats and information collected by the State Department.

Since Hurricane Katrina, more than 90 countries and international organizations offered to assist in recovery efforts for the flood-stricken region, but nearly all endeavors remained mired yesterday in bureaucratic entanglements, in most cases, at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. more at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090601994.html?sub=AR
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elvisbear Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:32 PM
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59. Chimpy needed the firefighters in case his pants caught on fire
as he started to speak. :)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:37 PM
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60. E-mail needed TODAY
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:46 PM
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62. The man makes me want to vomit.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:12 PM
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64. It just makes me eminently sad
That these people who are trained for this type of work and who want to do it so badly are prevented from doing it.

And that people so badly in need are being denied.

All because of an incompetent "president" who wants to go out and play "dress up."

:cry:




Cher
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foxeyes2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:18 PM
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65. misplaced priorties
I agree that people do need to know how to contact FEMA but to use higly trained and skilled rescue teams to do it is downright mind boggling stupid. Hell I could do pass them out and I got the skills of drunk monkey. Then to use them as a prop in his photos is insulting. I keep thinking it can't get worse yet it does. I hate to see what will come next.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:07 PM
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66. I asked AJC-Atlanta: WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU?

ASK THEM YOURSELVES:

letters@ajc.com, dbeasley@ajc.com, insideajc@ajc.com, q&a@ajc.com, stacks@ajc.com, vent@ajc.com, hpost@ajc.com, ckraft@ajc.com, pgast@ajc.com

September 7, 2005

Dear Atlanta Journal Constitution or Creative Loafing (Atlanta):

Can we PLEASE have some coverage of these kinds of events? Why do we have to go to the Utah papers to find out what Atlanta fire-fighters are doing re: NOLA??

Has the Cox family got your pens ??...your keyboards on lock?: (owners of Atlanta Journal Constitution and Creative Loafing, Atlanta is Cox; Cathy Cox, Lieutenant Governor is also head of GA Board of Elections and installed Diebold voting machines in every precinct prior to 2002 elections w/ 'surprising' defeat of Max Cleland and Roy Barnes)?

Thank you.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:11 PM
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69. Why do people keep whoring for him?
WHEN are people tell him to go to hell and not play his game?

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The_Mule Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:13 PM
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70. Just look at that picture!
One of these things is not like the other.
One of these things just doesn't belong.

<img src="" border="0">
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:43 PM
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72. Unbelievable!
This could be a big story if more of the media got hold of it. The only reason we know about this is because a couple of courages fire fighters from Salt Lake leaked it to the press, otherwise we would still be in the dark about this. Makes you wonder what else we do not know. Most of the federal effort now is geared toward plugging up Bush's credibility gap instead of New Orleans.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:44 PM
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73. Probably needed human shields
Seriously. A presidential entourage would have focus, a group of firefighters to watchers would appear mostly that. Lots of bulky uniforms
while Bush tries to look as common and undistinguished as possible.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:39 PM
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74. EMS workers trapped in NOLA tell their story:
First By the Floods, Then By Martial Law Trapped in New Orleans
http://www.counterpunch.org/bradshaw09062005.html
By LARRY BRADSHAW and LORRIE BETH SLONSKY

LARRY BRADSHAW and LORRIE BETH SLONSKY are emergency medical services
(EMS) workers from San Francisco and contributors to Socialist Worker.
They were attending an EMS conference in New Orleans when Hurricane
Katrina struck. They spent most of the next week trapped by the
flooding--and the martial law cordon around the city.

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreens
store at the corner of Royal and Iberville Streets in the city's
historic French Quarter remained locked. The dairy display case was
clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without
electricity, running water, plumbing, and the milk, yogurt, and cheeses
were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat.

The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers and
prescriptions, and fled the city. Outside Walgreens' windows, residents
and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry. The much-promised
federal, state and local aid never materialized, and the windows at
Walgreens gave way to the looters.

There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window
and distributed the nuts, fruit juices and bottled water in an
organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead, they spent
hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived
home on Saturday. We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at
a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or
front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the
Walgreens in the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images
of the National Guard, the troops and police struggling to help the
"victims" of the hurricane. What you will not see, but what we
witnessed, were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief
effort: the working class of New Orleans.

The maintenance workers who used a forklift to carry the sick and
disabled. The engineers who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators
running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords
stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order
to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for
mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air
into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who
rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat
yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their
roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hotwire any car that could
be found to ferry people out of the city. And the food service workers
who scoured the commercial kitchens, improvising communal meals for
hundreds of those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes and had not heard from
members of their families. Yet they stayed and provided the only
infrastructure for the 20 percent of New Orleans that was not under
water.

* * *

ON DAY Two, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in
the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference
attendees like ourselves and locals who had checked into hotels for
safety and shelter from Katrina.

Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of
New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources,
including the National Guard and scores of buses, were pouring into the
city. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible,
because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up
with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the city. Those
who didn't have the requisite $45 each were subsidized by those who did
have extra money.

We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours
standing outside, sharing the limited water, food and clothes we had.
We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and newborn
babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the
buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute they
arrived at the city limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By Day Four, our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was
dangerously bad. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime
as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and
locked their doors, telling us that "officials" had told us to report
to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the
center of the city, we finally encountered the National Guard.

The guard members told us we wouldn't be allowed into the Superdome, as
the city's primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health
hellhole. They further told us that the city's only other shelter--the
convention center--was also descending into chaos and squalor, and that
the police weren't allowing anyone else in.

Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only two shelters in
the city, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that this was
our problem--and no, they didn't have extra water to give to us. This
would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile
"law enforcement."

* * *

WE WALKED to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and
were told the same thing--that we were on our own, and no, they didn't
have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred.

We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp
outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the
media and constitute a highly visible embarrassment to city officials.
The police told us that we couldn't stay. Regardless, we began to
settle in and set up camp.

In short order, the police commander came across the street to address
our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the
Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge to
the south side of the Mississippi, where the police had buses lined up
to take us out of the city.

The crowd cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and
explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation,
so was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander
turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the
buses are there."

We organized ourselves, and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with
great excitement and hope. As we marched past the convention center,
many locals saw our determined and optimistic group, and asked where we
were headed. We told them about the great news.

Families immediately grabbed their few belongings, and quickly, our
numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined
us, as did people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and other
people in wheelchairs. We marched the two to three miles to the freeway
and up the steep incline to the bridge. It now began to pour down rain,
but it didn't dampen our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed sheriffs formed a line across the
foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began
firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in
various directions.

As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and
managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of
our conversation with the police commander and the commander's
assurances. The sheriffs informed us that there were no buses waiting.
The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as
there was little traffic on the six-lane highway. They responded that
the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans, and there would be
no Superdomes in their city. These were code words for: if you are poor
and Black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River, and you are not
getting out of New Orleans.

* * *

OUR SMALL group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the
rain under an overpass. We debated our options and, in the end, decided
to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway--on
the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We
reasoned that we would be visible to everyone, we would have some
security being on an elevated freeway, and we could wait and watch for
the arrival of the yet-to-be-seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the
same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be
turned away--some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no,
others verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were
prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the city on foot.

Meanwhile, the only two city shelters sank further into squalor and
disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw
workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car
that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape
the misery that New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery
truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so
down the freeway, an Army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations
on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping
carts.

Now--secure with these two necessities, food and water--cooperation,
community and creativity flowered. We organized a clean-up and hung
garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and
cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom, and the kids
built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken
umbrellas and other scraps. We even organized a food-recycling system
where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for
babies and candies for kids!).

This was something we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When
individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out
for yourself. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your
kids or food for your parents. But when these basic needs were met,
people began to look out for each other, working together and
constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the city with food and water
in the first two or three days, the desperation, frustration and
ugliness would not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing
families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our
encampment grew to 80 or 90 people.

From a woman with a battery-powered radio, we learned that the media
was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and
news organizations saw us on their way into the city. Officials were
being asked what they were going to do about all those families living
up on the freeway. The officials responded that they were going to take
care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had
an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking city) was
accurate. Just as dusk set in, a sheriff showed up, jumped out of his
patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces and screamed, "Get off the
fucking freeway." A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its
blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff
loaded up his truck with our food and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law
enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated into
groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims," they saw
"mob" or "riot." We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together"
attitude was impossible because the agencies would force us into small
atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we
scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of eight people, in the
dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on
Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements, but
equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs
with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The next day, our group of eight walked most of the day, made contact
with the New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out
by an urban search-and-rescue team.

We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with
the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited
response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section
of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were
unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

* * *

WE ARRIVED at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The
airport had become another Superdome. We eight were caught in a press
of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush
landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on
a Coast Guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There, the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort
continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we
were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses didn't have
air conditioners. In the dark, hundreds of us were forced to share two
filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with
any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) were
subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been
confiscated at the airport--because the rations set off the metal
detectors. Yet no food had been provided to the men, women, children,
elderly and disabled, as we sat for hours waiting to be "medically
screened" to make sure we weren't carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heartfelt
reception given to us by ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker
give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street
offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome.

Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept and racist.
There was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not
need to be lost.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:35 PM
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75. Bush is really asking for it... disgusting to the max
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:44 PM
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76. Living the lie to the max.
When these dudes lie, they don't screw around. Then again, they always lie. They never tell the truth, even by mistake.

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:59 PM
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78. There is only one thing this WH does well: spin-but that trumps everything
:(

I hate these people.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:23 AM
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80. kick
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:19 AM
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82. kick
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