Randi Rhodes -- a Conspiracy Theorist???

[orleans]

she talked to howard dean today at the beginning of her show (i'm listening to the archives) and dean says he's not quite as much of a conspiracy theorist (as randi is)

WHAT????

[Mythsaje]

1. I listen to Randi a LOT...

and, yeah, she's a bit of a conspiracy theorist.

Sometimes her conjecture makes sense, but sometimes she's out there a ways.

[Pushed To The Left]

7. I agree

I do enjoy her show, and I'm glad she's on the air, but she has really gotten pretty deep into the conspiracy stuff in the last couple of days.

[Must_B_Free]

2. she pushes theories, it's true

dean cant afford to operate like she does, she has lesser credibility requirements as an entertainer.

and don't fall into the trap that just because something is a conspiracy theory that it is wrong.

[FlaGranny]

28. Indeed, Randi's

"conspiracy theories" are ALL common sense extrapolations of known and documented events. She makes nothing up. When you do your research, it's hard not to believe in "conspiracies." Things just fit together too, too well. The players, the events, the outcomes - all are just too damning.

[Chicago Democrat]

34. Yeah, she allowed her opinion and its shared by many and its

healthy in any democracy.

Deans smarter than he used to be trap wise.

[Roxy66]

3. More like a REALIST.

She speaks the truth and sometimes our politcal talking-heads can't handle it.

[mirandapriestly]

4. Sometimes He kind of pisses me off nt

[iconoclastNYC]

5. Dean needs more ground rules with her on her interviews

Randi is coming off as hostile to me. She has to understand that Dean can't be as passionate about all this stuff as she is. Espisicially the anti-bush attacks.

Part of Dean's job is to present the alternative. He can't just attack attack attack. I got the sense that Randi was disapointed he wasn't attacking Bush enough and I think that it was an embaressing interview for both of them.

[Roxy66]

6. There should not be rules.....he needs some balls, like Landreiu

[mattclearing]

43. ???

Landrieu was praising Bush last week in hopes that he would finally lift a finger to help her state. She waited until after his feeble effort to slam him.

Meanwhile, Dean was the most visible opponent of the Iraq War and developed into a viable presidential candidate, only to be humiliated by the media, and yet he still had the pull and the gall to steal the DNC chairmanship out from the Party establishment.

Landrieu voted for the Iraq War!

There is no comparison.

[madfloridian]

11. I agree.

There are just certain things that don't play well when you might have over 40,000 dead from a national tragedy.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Ground rules?

You mean like Bush?

[leeroysphitz]

29. I call B.S.

Apologists like you are why we are in this mess. Dean's job and the dem leaderships job should be and should've been for a GOOD long while now to attack attack attack and then attack some more just for good measure. They should be CONSTANTLY attacking in the most strident, vocal and hardball ways possible. We keep talking about offering alternatives to the voters as if they were using well reasoned thoughtful consideration when going to the polls. We know they don not because we have been losing consistently with this tired OUTDATED strategy.

We need some very LOUD Bush bashing out of our elected officials. The more outrageous and attention getting the better. (Hell WE even have the advantage of saying outrageous things about this administration without even having to MAKE ANYTHING UP.)

It's bull. We've been waiting for our "leaders" to start FIGHTING BACK for five years now. It looks like they are either complicit or incompetent. I think that in coming primary elections I will start voting straight ticket: CHALLENGER.


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[iconoclastNYC]

31. Apologists LIKE me?

Buddy you don't know the first thing about me.

Why don't you go take a look at my blog and tell me if you think I'm an apologist?

Randi made the leader of our party look bad and if I were Dean I woudln't go back on unless she treats him with a little more respect and keeps the interview structured and civil.

[iconoclastNYC]

33. signatures are down (level 2) blog address: blog.christopherblair.net

[leeroysphitz]

36. Randi can get excited at times.

I've seen her cross the line with "friendly" guests on more than one occasion. I understand this but what about Dean? Where the hell is the fiery rhetoric that made him such an attractive candidate in the first place? We need that back times ten! I'm sick of making excuses for our leadership. I keep hearing how the democratic "base" is way in front of it's "leadership" on so many issues. Why are we tolerating that through even ONE election cycle let alone three? I respectfully retract my apologist criticism of you but it sounded to me like you were giving Dean a pass at the expense of someone who only sounds just as angry as most of the other democrats I talk to.

[iconoclastNYC]

37. Compare him to his predecessor. He is about 10x better. N/t

[LaPera]

8. I despise "anti-conspiracy" theorist, so content are they...Never allow,

To EVER allow, even a thought, nor can they conceive, what's put right out in front of them.

More or less, the "offical" line is fine, is always simply acceptable to them.

[txaslftist]

20. Nice post "LaPera", as if that's your real name. We're watching you.

[Taxloss]

41. Yes, we should blindly accept any crackpot theory that's put in front of

us. I don't find that acceptable. You seem to think that this is a manichean world consisting of two possibilities -the official version and whatever conspiracy theory you happen to adhere to. Well, that ain't so - there's a world of inconsistent and unlikely theories our there, including your interpretation, which is probably inconsistent and unreliable and unlikely, and including the "official" version, which is certainly inconsistent and unreliable and unlikely. I would estimate there are about 4317 other version out there, each inconsistent and unreliable and unlikely, and the truth.

You cannot conceive of any other version of events than the one you believe in - precisely what you accuse others of. And that accusation is made in such charming, hate-filled language.

[LaPera]

42. Lighten up Skippy...

The official version is ALWAYS fine for people like yourself!

Wallow & enjoy!

People who look everywhere to find and accuse others of "hate" as you do can only blindly see what's right in front of them!

[Taxloss]

44. You used the word "despise" - sounds like hate to me.

That was what was right in front of me.

I think you should take a deep breath and re-read the part of my post where I say I don't believe the official version.

[madfloridian]

9. Please stop attacking out Democrats right now....any of them.

It is just getting out of hand here at DU. There are some I don't especially care for, but our country is in serious crisis right now. Very serious.

They are starting to speak out now as the living are being recovered there. Randi did push today quite a bit, and I love her a lot. She is my favorite, but she should realize his role as chair means there are certain things he can not do.

BTW, he never has been much for anything too far to either side. He openly admits he is pretty centered, and has as much trouble dealing with the far left as the far right. Sometimes neither are very tolerant. That is a good place for the party chair to be. It is his very practicality and common sense that will keep the party focused.

The funny thing is that those of us who supported him in the campaign are handling the new role and its limitations better than others.

[Armstead]

10. Yes

I used to love listening to Randi. But she's going off the deep end with conspiracy theories.

And what is a conspiracy theory? It's something that sounds logically diabolical, but which there is no proof.

Dark speculation is different from stating dark speculation as if it is fact.

[Roxy66]

12. Maybe she is just so distraut like most of us here...

she is venting to the extent that it's uncomfortable to some.

[Armstead]

13. Venting is different than making wildass claims on the radio

We KNOW that the administration was both incompetant and callous. We also know that their ideology is destructive and led to the inabilty of government to respond effectively.

I just think she ought to take a cue from Rachael maddow and stick to what's known and provable. That's bad enough.

[tridim]

16. Which "wildass claims" are you referring to?

Be specific.

[Armstead]

19. The administration wanted to lose the war in Iraq

She claims that the administyration's plan was always to encourage chaos in Iraq after our invasion, and the dissarray we are seeing now is part of their plan.

Today her implication was that Bush deliberatly let thousands die and/or get stranded in NO.

They screwed the pooch, and their arrogence and bumbling have caused a lot of needless problems and suffering. But you need hard proof to say that they deliberately wanted failure on that scale. You can't just go on the radio and assume it as fact.

It also defies simple logic. Bush would have been a lot better off by seeming to immediately be a proactive strong and effective leader with Katrina, and to have marshalled an effective immediate response by his government.

I'm not saying there is never a more nefarious explanation to things. But when you get into those counterintuitive realms, it has to be based on proof, not "theory."

It's the same syndrome as assuming as fact within minuted after his death that Wellstone was assisinated rather than died in an accident....That's different from investigating his death.

[stickdog]

18. Yes, what's provable is certainly more than bad enough.

That's why what's not quite so provable isn't as "wildass" as our MSM controlled parameters of "credible" discussion would have us assume.

[Rainscents]

38. Let me tell you something here... How could we all forget about 9/11?

No one wants to hear, our government allowed 9/11 to happened!!! So, is this just a another conspiracy theory??? You tell me!

[Rainscents]

39. What deep end????????????? She is fact base... Remeber 9/11???

NO one wanted to hear, our government allowed 9/11 to happened!! Randi took this issues with FACT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Catrina]

14. What consiracy theory

regarding this administration, would be improbable? I listen to Randi, and she is pretty accurate in her assessment of this administration ~ she usually backs up what she says.

The problem is, we have this 'politically correct' attitude in this country, which is becoming deadly, as we have just seen.

If people had been screaming en masse, like Randi has, thousands of people, both here and in Iraq, might be alive today. So, give me passion anytime, this isn't the time to be polite.

I just heard that there may be as many as 40,000 deaths from this tragedy. Most of them occuring after the hurricane passed, and people are still dying. Yell all you want, Randi ~ people haven't been yelling loud enough. How much will it take before the whole country is yelling 'enough'??

[madfloridian]

15. I agree with you and Randi....Dean can't do it that way.

I am sorry, but he can not do that. It is not appropriate. He has said some powerful things the last two days...do a search on my posts.

[Roxy66]

17. Thank you...I completely agree

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. Exactly. Dr. Dean needs to review the information Randi was rattling

off to him. That many "mistakes" and "Miscoordinations"?

Come on! This is FEMA not the Keystone cops!

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[Catrina]

23. Well, I'm a moderate

but when, what we are now being told may be 40,000 US citizens die because of incompetence, there's no top high enough to 'go over', imo. When should we 'go over the top'? We didn't do it for the tens of thousands of dead and tortured Iraqis. We were politically correct as they died and suffered? So it continues, along with the lies.

I'm pretty calm and reasonable, even spent the past three years trying to reason with Bush supporters without ever resorting to insults etc. But I see the results of that now. They see it as weakness.

I've decided that these criminal bullies need to hear and see REAL genuine anger, something they have not seen and would be terrified of if they did, and anyone who doesn't feel that now, and express it, should remain quiet and let the millions of us who do, do the talking.

I was very upset with Dean's attempt to brush aside the Bush administration's culpability in all of this, and 'focus on' doing better in the future, or some such thing. I didn't blame Randi one bit for displaying the righteous anger she feels.

[trekbiker]

24. Yes, incompetence in the extreme. Bush should be impeached..

and JAILED. But for Randi to try and get Dean to agree with her crazy idea that Bush intentionally killed all those people??? thats just plain nuts. Stick to the FACTS. otherwise you just end up giving ammunition to the opposition.

[trekbiker]

26. Yes, incompetence in the extreme. Bush should be impeached..

and JAILED. But for Randi to try and get Dean to agree with her crazy idea that Bush intentionally killed all those people??? thats just plain nuts. Stick to the FACTS. otherwise you just end up giving ammunition to the opposition.

and why cant she let people speak without constantly talking over them.. that is very irritating.

[OrlandoGator]

27. Dean is a political leader. Randi is an entertainer.

n/t

[Darkhawk32]

30. I love listening to Randi, but her interviews are more like lectures to...

her guest. I'd like to hear more of what THEY have to say.

[yellowjacket7]

35. You got that right

She is O'Reilly-like in her interviews.

[FlaGranny]

40. You do realize, don't you, that when she

"lectures" her guests, she is providing them with information they have not heard before. Do you think Dr. Dean spends his entire working day researching all of this stuff like she does? Her guests DO NOT KNOW. They NEED to be lectured. She is a bottomless pit of accurate information. It is easy to tell when she's giving an opinion and when she is providing facts. It's a free county, thus far, and she can have her opinions, but her facts can't be disputed.

[skypilot]

32. Was it just me?

Randi's conspiracy theories aside, it seemed to me that Dean had lost a bit of the old fire. Considering the magnitude of what has happened in the Gulf I was a bit surprised at how subdued he seemed. I didn't necessarily expect him to go along with Randi's theories but I also didn't detect much anger from him. I wasn't even sure it was him until she said his full name at one point.