Hillary on Today Show calling for an Independent Commission to

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

investigate Katrina.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. She spoke of how control of Katrina was signed over to Bush (Fed)

immediately (8/27)..Emergency Declaration. How FEMA has been decimated under Bush with budget cuts, getting rid of competant staff and selecting poor replacements. How FEMA was lost in the beaurocracy of being placed under Homeland Security.

I would love to see an Independent Commission, but not with commissioners hand picked by the Shrub. The 9/11 Commission, or should I say the Omissions Commission was a farce.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. She's on CNN now. nt

[Gin]

3. She is so articulate.....makes so much sense.....great spokesperson

she lays it right at shrubs feet.............over and over again..

You go girl!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. I have not been a fan of hers for quite a while now, but she is doing

a very good job of stating this as it is. That's because in this case she is speaking truth to power, which is always recognized by the clarity of its message.

[justiceischeap]

4. She said immediately after Pearl Harbor

there was an investigation. Take that! Also said the reason it should be independent is so that the federal resources could continue to flow into the Gulf Coast and the investigation could be done at the same time, therefore not taking away from the efforts.

[ohio_liberal]

6. I don't understand what angle they're going for here

We have President Clinton hanging with the Bushes and Hillary on national TV telling everyone the Bush Administration is at fault. I'm so fucking confused...

[justiceischeap]

7. President Clinton isn't "hanging" with the Bushies

He's doing what he has to to get his message out there. He now actually has a valid reason to criticize what is going on in this administration because he was invited by them to be a public face for them.

He's also probably a bit of an egomaniac and likes to be in the limelight, no matter who puts him there.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. I have a friend who believes that Bill saw this coming and guided

Witt to Blanco before Katrina hit. Witt wrote the request for Blanco to Bush to declare a state of emergency. Although Bill is trying to drum up assistance for Katrina victims with Papa Bush, he didn't stand hand in hand when it came to protecting the Shrub. Is it possible that Bill and Hillary are setting the Shrub up for a big fall????

[confludemocrat]

17. Clinton stood by while excuses were made for GW, said nothing

that's tacit support. He has not openly said anything critical about GWB instead ran interference for the Bush's by parrotting Bush that no one could have expected the levees to give way. Both he and Hillary have nothing to offer on this issue. This time they should STFU at least. A commission plays right into Bush's hands we'll get a committee that will be like the 9/11 comish, no teeth in it's findings.

[hlthe2b]

20. He said quite a bit in Houston. He has to be diplomatic....

pointing out his views on the role of FEMA and how best to structure it, without accusing GWB of anything.

[NewJeffCT]

22. I thought he had given Bush a pretty good slap

Didn't he say something like "we had allocated money in the 90s to strengthen the levies, but I don't know what happened to it..." leaving the listener to realize it was either cut by Bush or in Iraq.

[confludemocrat]

24. Sounds like a very soft slap, only a hint. Not time for oblique criticism,

but full frontal go after the bastards, but too late now. He is neutralized and probably for good.

[confludemocrat]

23. No, he should have distanced himself from them and hit them hard

they deserve no less. Now he doesn't react to their campaign of blame shifting and disgusting rhetoric, he appears to stand with them. This criminal negligent callous failure called for it, not triangulation and "smart politics", which is his way of helping himself or his own at a great price to his side, as we have seen previously.

[hlthe2b]

26. My kneejerk response the same; but I think Clinton may have

a strategy. I don't think I'm unintelligent, but I have to credit him with quite a bit more, so I'm still extending benefit of the doubt.

[confludemocrat]

27. He's pretty much painted himself into a corner and to characterize total

outrage (which I hope we share) against this crime which is what is called for (if not now, when?) and against those who have enabled it as "knee-jerk" is a trivialization that is unfortunate to say the least on your part.

[hlthe2b]

29. THAT is SO uncalled for, I'm not even going to respond..

YOU really need to think before you start accusing people of such! Despicable!

[confludemocrat]

30. I'm sorry I didn't intend anything personal just thought that seeming to

call your own outrage or whatever you would properly call it, knee-jerk, and by implication anyone's else's about this Clinton cosy-with-Bush family strategy, was unfortunate. I apologize for any offense. I guess I was mistaken, based on the level of outrage about my remarks I caused.

[hlthe2b]

31. I appreciate that. Thank you. And, yes I am tremendously

outraged--especially that we are letting the Rove RWers (seemingly to effect) use the "blame" excuse to avoid ACCOUNTABILITY. OUR DEMs should be cutting them off at the pass with the fact that countlesss thousands ARE DEAD! They not only demand answers, but so too do the American people for whom a repeat disorganized response could leave THEM at risk--whether from a natural or terrorist episode. They need to remind these RW assholes that ALL public officials WORK FOR THE PEOPLE and thus ARE ACCOUNTABLE to the people. For all the REPUG talk of being the party of personal responsbility, they certainly never take any...


And, yes, the use of 'kneejerk' may have been a poor choice. I mean my "initial" thought... No connotation beyond that was meant, but the word does have implications that I hadn't meant to convey.

[confludemocrat]

33. That being said no excuse for Clinton aligning with Bush scum on two murd

erous, bloody fuckups: the war in Iraq and the lying attempts to excuse and mislead on the criminally negligent N. O. situation. A commission is something politicians do to ease how their nonperformance is judged. Not needed we know enough. This feeds the there's not a dimes worth of difference between the parties line of thinking which to me seems truer than ever.

[hlthe2b]

19. I've thought this every since I heard Blanco hired Witt...

Especially given Bill's increasing, yet careful discussion of the problems--just direct enough to get the point across.

[Cocoa]

9. I don't see the contradiction

I read Adam Nagourney's story in the NYT which draws the same supposed contradiction you're drawing, and that story is what confused me.

Bill Clinton is not endorsing Bush by doing this.

[Pepperbelly]

10. Nagourney just made shit up and called it 'analysis'.

Screw him and the Times.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Bush & the Republicans or US. One of us is going to get screwed.

Stay tuned.

[mattclearing]

28. Hillary is positioning herself to run while Bill plays nice.

Kill 'em with kindness.

[nine23]

11. When asked on CNN whether she thought Brown should be fired...

...she danced around the question. Gave no answer. Blame *GAME* indeed...

After all she said, I just don't see what harm it would have done if she answered: *Fire his sorry ass*.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Hillary being mealy-mouthed? Git out!

;)

[confludemocrat]

25. Yep, more mealy-mouthed catering to Bush from fear they will go after her

big time in 2008, hoping to ingratiate herself enough to avoid the McCain type onslought on her, won't work.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. Her target is Not Brown. nt

[justiceischeap]

16. Yep, she said the Prez signed the order on 8/27

And that the buck stops there.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. She was very clear about that. nt

[sendero]

21. Yes...

.... but a person worthy of respect would have said "that would be a good start".

I'm sorry, folks like Hillary are not going to get anything going, they don't have the stuff. I'm not sure that there are more than 2-3 "leaders" in the Dem party who do.

Yet another outrage is going to be met with "gee whiz" bullshit from the Dems who wonder then why nobody wants to elect them.

If it weren't so pathetic, it'd be funny.

[confludemocrat]

14. Fuck that, we need a Special Prosecutor, otherwise nuttin gonna happen

as someone said on Bill Press this morning. This was criminal, not some malfeasance where "mistakes were made".

[SoCalDem]

32. Exactly.. There is no such animal as "Independent Invesitgation"

EVERYONE has an "agenda".We just need hearings, broadcast live like watergate, and for the press to INVESTIGATE and resarch their OWN (and other media sources) reporting of the incident.. a timeline is easy to construct.. EVERYTHING is documented ..

Just lay it out..FACTS only..Once that's done, and testimonies taken, it should be a "slam dunk" to see what happened and didn't happen