Honore says that troops will not remove people from their homes.

[tjdee]

So I guess it's just up to local police?

[mrbill]

1. honore is one of the very few that have their shit together....

That guy is the real John Wayne.

The water is going down, there is some dry land, electricity is coming back. Why should these people have to move? It's total bullshit. Poop on the mayor.

If everybody is forced out, New Orleans might lose it's soul.

[ohio_liberal]

2. It's an environmental nightmare

Black flies/mosquitos feasting on the dead, chemical burns seen on people who waded in the water, raw sewage and God knows what else in the water. Fuck, they need to get out.

[marshall]

4. Military is not law enforcement

The US has had a very long history of resisting the notion of military as law enforcement.

[ohio_liberal]

5. Yeah I know that

I don't understand people who think it's safe just because the water is receding and the electricity is coming back on. Maybe not many people understand what happens *after* the flood?

[LostinVA]

8. I don't think they think it's safe

I think they don't want to be torn from their home, family, pets, mementos and shunted off to some NG armory in Montana for six months... they'd rather stay in their home and try to survive as best they can. It is very dangerous for them, but I understand their resolve, esp. those who may have heard about the conditions in the Dome and Convention Center, and have seen how FEMA, etal don't give a damn about them.

I think they prefer the devil they know to the devil they don't know. It's their home...

[ohio_liberal]

9. Yes, you're probably right

I never had a beef with FEMA until I saw this disaster. They were here in Ohio within days helping people and I don't know anyone who had a complaint at the time. All the roads were cut off and we still had water and food within hours. Man, they sure went downhill in just one year. I can't believe it.

[mrbill]

6. what about the people on dry land????

Every been through a flood, i have. The sewage plant about a mile south backed up and water was 5 feet deep in the house.

A big difference was that the water came and went fast.

But lots of sewage and other nasty stuff left behind.

Nobody left, clean up began asap, that took a year.

The whole earth is an enviornmental nightmare.

Do mosquitos really bite dead people? Thought it was a warm blood thing.

[ohio_liberal]

7. I know, that's what I'm trying to get across

I've been through floods. I know what happens. I know all about contamination of soil, mud, water, you name it. Broken gas lines, broken sewage lines, live power lines laying in water and across roads. The only thing I never had to deal with were bodies left lying in the water so long that they burst and spread toxins through water. One little cut on your hand or foot during cleanup and you can face serious infection.

The mosquitos, you probably are right. Still, there are animals there eating on the dead, the mosquitos biting them and spreading all kinds of vile shit around. I can only think that people just do not have an understanding of how dangerous it is. And this is not a typical flood.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. It's also a safety nightmare.

The fire department is essentially non-functional due to the inavailability of clean (or at least non-poisonous) water for fighting fires.

Add looters to the situation and it is even more dangerous. They need to get those people out now, agreed.

[mrbill]

14. you don't need "clean" water to fight fires.............

oh yeah, don't forget the evil looter myth.

20%+ of New Orleans in now on dry land, it's time to start the rebuilding effort.

If everybody leaves, the city loses it's soul.

Somebody needs to start an organization to smuggle supplies into these surviors who refuse to move.

One of the first things they need is a good bucket and a mop for clean-up. When they get the water turned on the next step is the high pressure hose in the house. Also a nice shovel.

Bug spray might keep away the mosquitos.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. Yes you do.

>oh yeah, don't forget the evil looter myth.

So those guys who shot up the contractors the other day were - what, defending their property?

>you don't need "clean" water to fight fires...

Yes you do. You certainly need water that isn't contaminated with diseases - i.e. the standing water in New Orleans. Given that water, where it's even available, is *barely* functioning, it's nearly impossible to run a proper firefighting operation in the city. If you've noticed they're using helicopters to dump water on buildings that are burning in non-flooded areas - i.e. areas that are accessible by fire trucks, but where no water can be had. This has been explained repeatedly.

>If everybody leaves, the city loses it's soul.

If everybody stays, the city loses its residents to disease.

>Somebody needs to start an organization to smuggle supplies into these
>surviors who refuse to move.

Go right ahead. I'll be giving money to the people who are legitimately trying to help themselves stay out of harm's way, rather than hanging onto some ridiculous notion of "soul" which flies in the face of all fact or logic. If they actually gave a fuck about the "soul" of that city, they'd be helping people who've had to leave. Right now they're only helping - or trying to help - themselves.

>One of the first things they need is a good bucket and a mop for
>clean-up

Yes, if by "bucket and mop" you mean "electircally powered aniseptic distribution system and biohazard suit."

[formernaderite]

16. If the people are grownups they should decide for themselves..

however....no more assistance...it's a waste of the rescuers time to keep checking on them.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. And putting out the fires they start?

Burning down other peoples' houses? It's not just assistance to those people. You can't stop dealing with the problems they create just because they refuse to leave. They can create problems that affect other people.

[barbaraann]

18. Do you understand that people are still living in some parts of NO?

They are exaggerating the problems so that they can execute a landgrab for big corporations/GOP supporters.

[Tesla]

3. He understands that these are people! Not something to use as

political fights!! Blame the ones that need help! Thats what this WH is good at!!

[xultar]

11. I LOVE HONORE!!! I don't think American troops should drag Americans

from their property.

THAT SHIT AIM'T GONNA FLY NAGIN.

[ohio_liberal]

13. I agree with you

I don't want to see people being dragged away from their homes. Goddamnit though, I want the people there to be adequately informed of the risks. I have no reason to believe that they are right now.

[Ravenseye]

12. Good For Honore

No matter what happens, to allow in any situation a soldier of this country to forcibly remove someone from their home when they haven't commited any crime would be very very bad.

If someone wants to stay and die, let them. Do the magic marker thing. Tell them to write their social security number on their body parts so they can be identified in the future. Then leave. If we start allowing troops to remove people from this situation, they can do it in other ones too.

Hello Martial Law.

[marshall]

17. Honore knows he doesn't have the authority

Honore hasn't said that he thinks people should not be forcibly removed from their homes by law enforcement. His stance is that the military does not have the authority to do it. I would imagine if whoever is qualified to do so gave him that authority he would make it happen, but apparantly it's not the mayor's call to make and Honore knows that.

[SoCalDem]

20. Bush will do it..The plans for New Orleans will be "best"

initiated without the watchful eyes of straggler residents or media..

:(

[marshall]

21. Honore the foot soldier

Honore will do whatever his higher-ups tell him to do because that's the military mind set, but I think the governor has to give him that power (perhaps through the president) unless an insurrection is declared in the state so that the feds could take over. What a mess that would be!

[SoCalDem]

22. The "insurrection" will be the people NOT leaving

There will be a case made by *² that disease and oil infrastructure issues will necessitate the removal of ALL people, and if they don;t go willingly...well....

Remember too, that the military plans on SPRAYING the whole city..The threat of lawsuits will spur them on to get all people out..The admin will create the scenario that allows/orders military to "take 'em out"