They don't need us anymore - Is it too late to save America?

[NoBushSpokenHere]

Corporations previously had a use for the middle class and poor. We were the ones who worked in their factories, grew their crops, and purchased their goods. We toiled away for money to carry us through another day, another winter and more. We would negotiate for higher wages, strike to obtain them, or manipulate the crop harvest to earn a bit more. They were happy to oblige for the most part, because they were happy to make millions off of our strife.

Today, our goods are made internationally by people working for quarters on the hour. Their cost of living is low, so they can afford to work for less than it costs for a loaf of bread. And, the corporations are making billions instead of millions. We think, “When we are all out of work and not buying anything more than necessities, they will listen.” But there are billions of people in this world buying products from these corporations. Eliminating the government burdens of social security, welfare, public education, and environmental protection protects them from suffering the loss of our tax dollars.

They don’t need us anymore. We are a people who they want eliminated. They have billions to live on and see our lands as places for development for their rich, corporate friends. How were they able to take over our America so easily? Easy when corporations take over the vote counting by machines with secret codes. Easy when corporations control our congress. Easy when our media is silenced. Easy when people do not protest. Ever wonder why our representatives haven’t been screaming at the top of their lungs about the vote counting? Could it be that their votes were counted in the same fashion?

Is there anything we can do anything to stop what was initiated many years ago? Maybe. The Boston Tea Party stopped taxation without representation, but the Boston Tea Party didn’t happen because a just a few people knew the right thing to do. It happened because everyone was fed up with what was happening. Until Katrina hit the shore, our country was not at that brink.

Too late now? Maybe, but because I love the country we once had, I will do everything I can to return America to the the people . . . will you?

[txaslftist]

1. Ummmm. The Boston Tea Party was nice and all...

...but it took an armed revolution to actually stop the taxation without representation thing.

Careful what you ask for. Those who oppose are better armed, better organized and there are a lot more tories out there than revolutionaries.

[donsu]

2. so you've given in?

nt

[txaslftist]

5. Let's just say I'm not quite ready to shoot my brother...

...who happens to be one of "them". My father, too.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

3. Oops......guess I should have explained

I am not advocating fighting with weapons. And, yes, I know the other side is better armed, etc. But, I also realize the ones who carry the guns are also people who are also affected by the corporations, maybe moreso, than we are. Again, I guess I should have phrased the end of my message differently, I will do whatever I can with exception of violence, to stop what has happened.

[Dhalgren]

6. I am convinced that there can be no change in this country

without violence. This government functions on violence; it knows nothing else and will respond to nothing else. Non-violence only works if you have a press/media that will carry the truth; we don't have such a thing. The propaganda fog is all but complete ( the internet doesn't count, because for every site that carries truth, there is a site that carries lies). We have no leaders, no heroes, no organizers - to get these things we will almost surely have to resort to violence...leaders don't arise without it.

[txaslftist]

11. I think there can be. Think "non-violence"; MLK, Ghandi...

...they made changes.

[Dhalgren]

13. They had a more truth based media to work with.

They also had huge followings that backed their moves. When you are dealing with a fascist regime that will kill or imprison with impunity (with media compliance), it is a completely different planet and we have to acknowledge this...

[stillcool]

4. ..wait for the riots....

..it won't be too much longer...

[4 t 4]

7. Shrub wants

the poor and middle-class to just up and die.

[MN ChimpH8R]

8. I am beginning to think there is no hope

All of the machinery is in the hands of the Evil Ones - mass media, the Congress, the judiciary, the voting machines. There no longer exists any way to dislodge them. I think it's clear that the United States is headed straight down the crapper of history. When the Russians and Chinese finally nuke us after Chimpy or the next version of Chimpy invades Iran we will, as a people, deserve it for allowing them to take control.

Only 50% of the people care enough to vote, and half of that is stupid and or ignorant enough to drink the Repuke Kool-Aid again and again. The Evil Ones have a simple goal - reduce the US to a feudal third-world society where 1% holds virtually all of the wealth and everyone else is in peonage. Selfishness and stupidity have brought us to this point. No, not everyone is selfish and stupid, but a clear plurality of citzens of this country are just that. And that will be the final and ultimate downfall of a wonderful experiment. Adams, Jefferson and Madison are whirling in their graves.

If the criminal ChimpCo gets away with spinning Katrina away, the writing is indelibly on the wall. The sensible thing to do is start figuring out where to go and how to get there, whether it's Canada, New Zealand, Australia or somewhere else. The US has jumped the shark, and far worse times are ahead.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

12. Only hope I have is that somehow, someway, we can do away

with the voting machines - return to paper ballots that are voter verified. I don't care if it takes a month to count them all - we need legitimacy in our elections. And, unfortunately, the only way we can accomplish this is to have the media support it. Remains to be seen.

[Qibing Zero]

9. Being honest here.

The only way to stop them, in purely non-violent political means, is this:

Either create or split off to form a new party. This party hits hard on the issues that affect all of the poor and middle class. The party uses the excuse that the states should be the ones deciding all of the controversial issues that usually divide the public (abortion, gay rights, gun laws, etc). Highlight, in simple terms, the effects of the corporations, how they're screwing over ALL of the people, and how the republican party has used the controversial issues to persuade people onto their side in order to perform their takeover. Stress outsourcing, use their 'anti-american' talk against them if you have to.

If you're able to unite the working class, or in this case the non-elite classes, for long enough to anti-trust the corporations into submission and clear out the bureaucracy element in DC... then we can resume politics as usual.



Either way, I don't see any hope left in the current situation.

[MadHound]

10. You are on to something friend, and may I add a few suggestions

First off, this party should take no corporate cash. The only people that they should be beholden to are their constituents. Secondly, we should work towards publicly financed elections, and instant runoff voting. If everybody worked in concert on this one, we could bring about the change that we all long for, and that our country desperately needs.

And there is a party out there that already offers all of this, they are the Greens.