The question that ties it all together - I want an answer, now.

[The_Mule]

9/11, tax cuts for the rich while the poor suffer, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bin Laden on the loose, Abu Ghraib, massacre in New Orleans - Why does death, destruction, and misery follow the Bush administration?

Impeach, indict, imprison.

[whatever4]

1. and execute nm

[Blue_In_AK]

4. An execution would be too easy...

Lock them up in a squalid prison somewhere for the rest of their pathetic lives.

[meganmonkey]

15. A squalid prison with a few feet of water filled with snakes and alligator

s and cholera and dysentary, perhaps?

It's hard to be an anti-death-penalty pacifist these days.

:evilfrown:

[redqueen]

2. Because they're evil?

That's my answer, anyway.

[The_Mule]

5. I think that's the correct answer, but

I still want the question asked - and asked often.

[phusion]

3. George W. Bush deserves a fair trial!

:D

[Bonhomme Richard]

6. * REPUBLICANS ARE INCAPABLE OF GOVERNING *

This ought to be the mantra spread far and wide. How much more proof does anyone need?

[MsTryska]

7. George W. Bush.....

America's Bad Luck Charm.



hey i need to put that on a protest sign.

[Name removed]

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[The_Mule]

12. You have GOT to be kidding, right?

You're just trying to get my goat, aren't you?

Oh well, here goes:

9/11 was not the fault of any particular administration. It just so happened to fall under Bush's watch and he will therefore suffer the brunt of all critisism.
There are many people who disagree with you and believe that the Bush administration either let the attacks happen or actually had a hand in the attacks themselves. Regardless of your position on that, there is a clear case of incompetence from the administration. There were several warnings from the intelligence community. There was a presidential daily briefing memo in August (while Bush was on vacation) that said Bin Laden was determined to strike America. Ashcroft stopped flying commercial jets in July (if I recall correctly).

While one could argue that GOP administrations tend to favor big business, one can also argue as to why poverty and the poor never really seem to get much better under a Democrat leader as well. Look at NO for a quick reminder.
Yes, one *could* argue that GOP administrations tend to favor big business, couldn't they? Just about every social program (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc) was started by a democrat. I'm guessing you don't think these programs are a good idea. Yes, poverty is a big problem with no easy answers, but giving tax cuts to the rich is absolutely NOT the answer. Get it?

Afghanistan and Iraq are military operations and with such military operations death is a given. War is not peaceful.
We were led to a *pre-emptive* war with Iraq because of lies. Iraq was not a threat to the US. There were no WMD. Bush and company were planning the war from the beginning of his administration. Read "The Price of Loyalty" and "Chain of Command" for starters. You are correct, war is not peaceful, which is why it should be an option of absolute last resort.

Bin Laden falls under a similar category as 9/11. The Clinton administration is proven to have been offered Bin Laden on a silver platter years before 9/11 happened, yet Bush is the one actively hunting him...to no avail as of yet.
After 9/11, George Bush has said he "does not think about him (Bin Laden) that much". Since George doesn't think about Bin Laden much anymore, let's ask Poppy Bush about him - they seem to have a long history together.

Abu Ghraib is a prison. Its reported violence and humanitarian issues are no higher than most other larger prisons in the United States. Is anyone here blaming BushCo for the treatment of prisoners in US prisons?
Are you really arguing to support the conditions within Abu Ghraib?

And finally, the "massacre" of NO has plenty of blame to go around. Again, a Democrat mayor failed to evacutate his city properly. Those he did choose to evacuate were housed in the Superdome BEFORE the storm hit and yet there was not enough food and water and supplies to or proper security to safely house these evacuees. FEMA has dropped the ball no doubt, and I guess the buck does stop at BushCO, but currently only 13% of Americans hold him personally accountable. But one cannot honestly deny the fact that NO and LA governments miserably failed their people as well.
I guess the buck does stop at BushCO, doesn't it? I can honestly deny the fact that NO and LA governments miserably failed their people. They were screaming for help and issuing desperate SOS days before the federal government did anything.

Finally, a question for you - Why are you here on DU? You do realize this is a progressive message board, don't you?

[The_Mule]

14. That was quick!

They were tombstoned before I could type the message.

Thanks, mods.

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Thanks for reposting the post before it disappeared...

It's good to know the enemy.

[The_Mule]

17. You know, that's a good point.

I think we (DU) shouldn't automatically delete the text of these kinds of posts. It was a good exercise to respond to the poster's points. It sharpens the ability to refute talking points with reasoned dialog.

[sui generis]

9. tragedy follows in the wake of evil

The Bush administration is concerned only with itself and its corporate and wealthiest benefactors, and NOTHING else.

America is a nation of real people with real lives, all just trying to get by and have our piece of the pie. We really do believe that we have a right to the pursuit of happiness, and we all know that we are only given a fixed number of heartbeats in which to even try to be happy.

In this sandbox we all vote to elect someone who will keep our sandbox safe, and clean, and to help make it a place in which we CAN pursue happiness, but there are other entities in the sandbox with us who think that we exist only to further their conquests in this sandbox and in other sandboxes. You are SUPPOSED to be in credit card debt for the rest of your life. Congress lifted caps and regulation on usurous rates, and removed your individual protections in the form of bankruptcy, knowing that you can't even flee the country to escape debt because of banking agreements.

In this sandbox, we have decided that it is okay to send all of our sandbox guards to another sandbox to steal their oil and leave our own sandbox unguarded from floods and fires and storms and the catastrophe that a real terrorist will some day inflict.

In this sandbox we deny some of the very individuals who make this sandbox a nation the basic civil rights and human decency of recognizing their relationships and families if those relationships happen to be with someone of the same sex.

In this sandbox we force a blind eye to the aluminum caskets our children come home in from that other sandbox, and we force a blind eye to the results of our negligence so that the news won't be able to show the corpses of people in the streets of New Orleans who did not get the chance to exercise their pursuit of happiness.

This administration has always been profoundly selfish, petty, and a bully. No happiness can ever come of that for us rather ordinary individuals while they still govern, while they waste our allotted heartbeats.

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[sui generis]

11. actually I can speak about credit issues

having sat in board room meetings at a major credit card company while they talked about lobby strategy and the direct and measurable impact on profitability and putting consumers like you into permanent debt.

Nothing I've said is "utterly ridiculous". We went into Iraq to get unmetered oil and to establish a permanent U.S. military presence in an oil rich region. We lied about our reasons to get there, hoped we'd find some WMD to justify it and when we didn't we FUCKING LIED through our teeth about it to get us in there anyway.

The Democratic party of NOLA is not responsible for FEDERAL response. FEDERAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE is not a partisan issue. It's an issue related to the appointments and priorities of the current administration.

Your last paragraph - word of advice. Don't make statements without backing them up. They're called assertions, and it's what republicans and conservatives love to do - without facts. The RED TAPE isn't responsible for anything. RED TAPE is what you have communication plans and pre-formed agreements to mitigate. If you have red tape in FEMA, someone has failed at their job.

Just as the Federal Highway Trust Fund funds interstate transportation and safety, the federal government also funds port safety. It is the highest form of crassness to assert that the federal government has less responsibility for the safety of the borders and ports of New Orleans than it does for the east and west coast. By your logic, New York City should have been held exclusively accountable for failing to prevent 9-11, and that is not a progressive or a democratic point of view.

[The_Mule]

13. Very well put.

Thank you for your words.