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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:16 PM
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Damn straight it is Racism !!
From Today's Democracy Now!

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/07/1415225

Residents Discuss Race and Hurricane Katrina

We speak with three residents of New Orleans who were forced to flee -David Gladstone, Beverly Wright and Curtis Muhammad - about who gets saved and who doesn't and even the question: will New Orleans be rebuilt?

<snip>

Curtis Muhammad: (a veteran Student Non-Violent Cooordinating Committee organizer and co-founder of Community Labor United.)

... I mean, here we are watching this thing happen, hearing the reporters talk about ambulances picking up people from the mostly predominantly white and upper middle class hospital at Tulane University, picking people up to evacuate them, and going right past the Charity Hospital where most of the Blacks were. And we had these reports of nurses using pumps by hand to keep people alive and stashing the dead in the staircase, and yet they were going uptown to empty out the predominantly white and middle class hospitals. And we were still skating.

Now, that convinced us that we had no caretakers. You know, those -- the Mayor at one point goes into the Superdome and goes into the Convention Center, and says, “Just go walk. Don't wait for help. Just get on the highway and walk out of here.” That actually happened. And they stopped them. They set up checkpoints and would not let the people leave the city for fear they were going to loot the dry towns, white towns, Kenner, Metairie up the road. And they started locking these shelters at night so people could not sneak away. And no help was still coming. Now, somebody break into place and get water and food, and we call it looting. And people are dying.

And Bush, the President, finally shows up six days later, and he says, “Zero tolerance for people who break into places to get food and water,” that that's the same as looting. How can you call looting when the whole town almost is under water and people are starving and nobody has been to see about them for six days? And those people are being criminalized and thrown in jail as we speak. So, when we gathered our forces, we began to travel through the shelters so that we could locate. We couldn't get cooperation from the government of where they were taking our people. But we just started going city to city up the highway, and every city, as we went out on 10 West, we traveled all the way to Houston. We started at Baton Rouge. Everything was filled. Churches, gymnasiums, civic centers, dormitories of college campuses where the students had brought the families into their dormitories.

But when we would go to the public shelters, they were almost like prisons. You could hardly get in. There was all kind of criteria for how you could get in to see the people that was almost like visiting somebody in prison. The people didn't have access to the world around them for fear, again, because on TV they had been criminalized already. So, though the communities were willing to accept them, they were not willing for these people to walk the streets of their town. They were eating sweets and Cokes, still, to the day – I came to this studio this morning having driven from Houston. Every little town between Baton Rouge and Houston had shelters with our people. And they were all managed by FEMA and Homeland Security and soldiers and National Guards, and the ability to go visit these people was like tremendously hard work.

<snip>
... So, we are convinced that the racism about the New Orleans black population, the black poor population, is so tremendous and so negligent and we don't know the reasons. And maybe so all black people. Maybe that's just – we just have this tremendous universal hatred for dark skin. I don't know what it is. But we watched blatant racism, blatant racism.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:18 PM
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1. no, no, they're wrong. it's about cLass
:sarcasm:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:21 PM
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2. Yes.... it is... the repugs and their cronies have shown NONE. nt.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:33 PM
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12. If they were rich and black
I'm sure they would have escaped with the whites.

It is about racism, but it is also about classism. And in this case, class actually dominated in rescue efforts. Unfortunately, racism is responsible for the class seperation, so you can still blame it on racism. Basically, the two are so intertwined that you can't single one of the two as the main culprit.

What can definitely be identified as a main culprit however, is the administration currently running our government. Let us focus our efforts there as well!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:15 PM
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18. they are intertwined
one thing about race is that color can become for many a visible marker of class. Unless that 'rich' black is driving a Mercedes and has his gold cards on him, he is not going to fare much better.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:15 AM
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31. However the first assumption is
the Mercedes was stolen. ;-)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:22 AM
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33. or
the guy is a drug dealer or a pimp. :-(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:21 PM
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:28 PM
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5. Dang! Your theories are interesting. This is the second time I've run
into you in less than three minutes. I really hope you stick around. :hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:01 AM
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47. Grr
What'd I miss?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:30 PM
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9. Welcome to DU Eric
:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:39 PM
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16. buh bye eric
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:34 PM
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13. Sweet!
Another disgruntled citizen has joined the ranks :D

Welcome buddy!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:25 PM
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4. and about rebuilding....
BEVERLY WRIGHT: (founder and Director of the Deep South Center for Environmental Justice at Dillard University in New Orleans, LA.)

Yes. I believe that New Orleans will be rebuilt, because New Orleans is a world class city. I believe, however, that these questions are posed because of the way that New Orleans is being perceived at the present moment. And that is that it is a city that had a majority African American population, and that that population is acting in a way that's – that we shouldn't – less civilized than what we should be acting under these times of duress, so people are saying, ‘Well, maybe we shouldn't build it.’

On the other hand, I really believe that developers, some of them, are doing a break dance at this moment as they watch so many African Americans being removed from the city, of course, because of these circumstances, because now they will have a chance to rebuild it the way that they would like to build it, and that is without us. You hear people say that the city of New Orleans will be bigger, it will be better, it will be stronger. And we also know that the plan is for it to be whiter. And that is one of the reasons that those of us who are scattered all over do plan to return. We are in the process of trying to organize in some way that we will be at the table for the rebuilding of our particular community, but what is happening in New Orleans and the way some of it is being reported is no different from the way we were being reported before the hurricane. And so, you basically have all of the prejudice and racist kinds of feelings that people have about us being played out in the media now.

<snip>
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:32 PM
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10. yes and in this new "New Orleans" we shall see
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 07:33 PM by CountAllVotes
many black people working at the jobs given to this by the WalMarts. That is the plan right now and I kid you not. This is it for life ... my God what a grotesque plan indeed.

Hope? Where?
:puke: :puke:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:40 PM
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17. will they be bringing those poor people back?
Curtis Muhammad:
...I don't think that there is a desire of the leadership of this Project New Orleans to bring those poor people back. They're scattering them as far as California. 300 have arrived in a school, a former teacher of mine. They are all the way up in D.C. These are poor people.
If they find a way to live, they are going to stay there.

If the people rise up, which we are pushing for, this is part of what our meeting is about, if the people demand oversight and transparency of all funds collected on their behalf and make priority the reintegration and the construction of places to live for displaced people, rather than casinos and hotels and condominiums, the people will come back.

AMY GOODMAN: Curtis Muhammad, I want to thank you for being with us,
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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:41 PM
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19. I was afraid of this
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:41 PM by WEagle
we need to carefully monitor the planning, if that is possible.
They will probably be working with those developers behind closed doors.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:44 PM
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24. A "WHITE" New Orleans wouldn't be New Orleans!!!!
It would be some kind of honkey theme park, like Vail Colorado.
No culture, no heartbeat, no soul, no humanity!....sterile, bleached out, landscaped, boring, phony.

bvar22 was a New Orleans resident for 45 years.
Born Baptist Hospital, lived Chopizine and Magatoulous.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:56 AM
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25. we gotta make sure
everybody gets their city back. I am livid Halliburton already has their hand in this!
America owes it to New Orleans to scrutinize the rebuilding process and what will be done to bring the displaced back home.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:32 AM
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26. I share your rage re: Halliburton
The issue of "right to return" (sound familiar?) for all "refugees" is even more troubling, however. I have the sinking feeling that the racists will be successful in their pursuit to relocate the African American population of NO if we let them.
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SixStrings Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:13 AM
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52. This is a racist statement as well.

Please...why is this post not deleted? Replace "white" with 'Black' in this statement and it would of been blown away, with about 50 replies piled on as well, accusing the poster of being a bigot.
It's called 'integrity', people. The door swings both ways. Such a generalization of 'white' people should be handled the same way such statements are handled about 'blacks' - Hypocrites.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:29 PM
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6. the POVERTY is about racism, but the slow response was a class thing
There are countless unseen rural white folk who are living in a ditch beside the home they once had. The black folk lived there also, of course, but (due to various historical factors coupled with the "cheap rent"/transportation factors) the poor in New Orleans tended to be more poor and were primarily African-American.

Once you look at the numbers, it's clear to see they based the response on the economic status of the region. Count Dubyala out for blood, as usual.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:29 PM
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7. Recommended.
There are some people on DU who I am sure are sincere, but they are ignorant. I do not mean "ignorant" in a bad way. But they don't have a clue what they are talking about. They insist that it is "class," without knowing what "class" entails in America. Indeed, some are not aware of what "race" implies.

This isn't cause for arguments within democratic circles. But it is reason for people to take the time to learn what the relationship is between race and class in the United States.

There is a "survey" of sorts, asking for a simple answer to "race or class." Let's think about how silly this is. To make it easier, we can look to Iraq. We all remember (hopefully) when General Tommy Franks said the US military wasn't keeping track of civilian deaths in Iraq. The reason was (and is) because most of the civilian deaths were not caused by insane terrorists flocking in from Arab/Muslim countries. The British medical journal The Lancet did the most comprehensive study thus far. Work was done by a wide range or respected professionals, including some from Johns Hopkins University, and Columbia University. Their study was of 100,000 civilians, more than half being women and children, who died from violence in the invasion. The vast majority were killed by the US forces.

Why? Race? Class? Religion? They had warning; why didn't they leave?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:37 PM
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:33 PM
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11. no, but actually reading something
first is a unique concept you ought to try sometime.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:36 PM
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14. The thing about not letting people leave a disaster area
is fucking criminal. There needs to be CRIMINAL CHARGES brought against whoever was responsible for that. The idea that people, free people in a FREE GOD DAMN COUNTRY can't WALK OUT of a fucking disaster area...

it just boggles the mind. Who made that decision? On what authority?

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:58 PM
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20. when I lived in DC in the mid-eighties - the Metro system was
partially in place - but the last "line" to go in (not in by '87) was the "green line" which went into much more communities that was less white than the other lines. Moreover - at least back the georgetown area did not have a metro stop anywhere near - why? The general consensus among those I worked with - was that the to "Toney" Gtown community there was no desire to make commuting easier to folks from the "less desirable" parts of the metro area.

My point is that this attitude of superficial concern - but not only no real reaction, but an actual aversion to makte access to one's own community - has not lessened much since the Jim Crow era - in many communities.

Will we ever, as a society, grow up?

And will we ever acknowledge the human tragedies allowed to unfold daily?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:17 PM
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21. and that kind of "'planning"
is pretty status quo for many metropolitan areas.
It's sad how much we just don't pay attention to these things.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:26 PM
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22. This is the USA version of ethnic cleansing
Recall the lamentations here about ethnic cleansing abroad in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, etc. Now we have our own made in the USA brand of ethnic cleansing. It's all too obvious. No doubt about it.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:37 PM
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23. The Cameras Do Not Lie!
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 11:40 PM by AuntiBush
And when one interview was done on MSNBC today, interviewing 3 black men, it's as if "she" (name unk to me) saved this question for last.

The reporter mentioned that (the black man to our left) he was a Pharmacist and he said he and the others did not know where they were going till they were on a military plane. They ended-up in D.C. A place they all agreed they did not want to be in - no, they wanted to go home.

Halliburton: That emergency Senator floor where that faux Christian Frist got all those millions to only go to Halliburton. Why didn't they offer those contracts to the LA black and white families to rebuild their cities? I seen whites too, not wanting to leave their homes. Even a few in million-dollar homes.

It was racism. But it was also the poor, the disabled, the elderly, the sick, all those, many like ourselves, not worthy of ? what? To live on the same face of this earth that they do? So yes, it was racism, but it was also white poor too. I seen it today on stations I generally do not watch.

As Americans of all race, creed and nationality, we should all be appalled. We oughta be. Next time, it could be any one of us. Because again, to Bush and company, it's all about OIL & MONEY. That's it. That's it in a disgustingly sickening nutshell.

We're all in this nightmare of suspended motion of unbelievable reality.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:58 AM
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27. When you're locking people IN during a disaster instead of getting
them out - do you have to ask if it's racism?

When you're controlling the escape of people from a disaster area, instead of help them to escape - do you even have to ask if it's racism?

When you're locking your towns down against those fleeing for their lives - do you even have to ask if it's racism?

I called it genocide several days ago. I stand by that still today.







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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:31 AM
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28. With very rare exceptions,
the only people who are saying that racism isn't a factor are white. I think that most white people agree it involves racism, however. But I haven't seen any black, brown, red, or yellow folks on tv or in the news saying, "No, racism isn't part of this."
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:18 AM
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29. I know. Yet the more I think about it, and I think about it constantly
the more angry I get...

I believe the reason the government is refusing to allow pictures of the dead is because we will find that many died after the fact -when help could have saved them...they died because help took too long coming.....and that's murder in my book.

Bush wrecked our central government by destroying needed social programs...yet he created a bigger government with senseless and needless programs that filled the pockets of defense contractors, prison contractors and pointless laws geared at locking society down and not building society up....New Orleans is the result of bad policy...the result of a bad federal government( as opposed to good federal govt., which is possible)....and the result of hate, fear and ignorance.

I'm probably not making any sense. I'm sick, on medicine... and overwrought with emotion.

Thanks for listening.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:19 AM
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30. you make perfect sense
:thumbsup:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:37 AM
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34. Thank you, sniffa
maybe I should be medicated more often



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:16 AM
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32. No filming
military battles like in Vietnam. No military statistics on innocent civilian deaths. No pictures of flag-drapped coffins. No photos of death in NO. Lies repeated over and over by various puppets in the republican machine. This is all part and parcel of the "perception management."

This should actually offer Americans -- including people on DU -- an opportunity to discuss "racism." Racism is very real. It is a type of hatred that is nurtured in every state in the nation. It is also unnatural, because there is no such thing as "race." Human beings created the concept, just as they have created other imaginary barriers, such as the "boundries" that separate the states.

Jesse Jackson was asked repeatedly if racism played a role in NO. And he was attacked for answering the question. (NYSE&G is turning my power off for a minute. I'll return!)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:56 AM
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37. Remember my Saturday Rant?
Well that person has e-mailed me and rewrote the history of that evening at his home. He apologized but for the wrong thing! It was not about politics it was about racism pure and simple. He does not even recognize his own bigotry and hateful remarks. He denies it is there!

I believe there are so many people of privilege like him. They live in their upper class bubbles, donate a few bucks on occasion to a food bank and think there is not a racist bone in their bodies. The truth however emerges in moments like this. When he said "They had a choice to leave and they didn't" told me all ever needed to know about him.

I hope he isn't holding his breath for a reply.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:31 AM
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41. Of course.
He has to process it in an unhealthy way. It would be impossible for him to justify his ignorant and hateful position in a healthy way, unless he is willing to take responsibility for being wrong.

You may want to consider if this situation allows you an opportunity to open his eyes. It's difficult. But not talking can be another of those barriers that has divided America to a most dangerous extent: we have red vs blue, black vs white, christian vs muslim, men vs women, young vs old, rich vs poor .... and it is at a state where communities are divided, and indeed families are divided to the point where one sibling refuses to talk to another, etc. Perhaps what is needed today is the gentle voice to awaken us to our humanity.

Your friend has a weakness, a chink in his armor that is not attractive. If you stop communicating with words, and instead let the cold silence deliver your message, his errors in thinking take root and grow. Surprise him. Be creative. Bring things to light.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:48 AM
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45. I don't know how I can
if you don't mind I will PM you. I don't want to hijack this thread.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:06 AM
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50. all constructive discussion of the subject
of racism is welcome as far as I am concerned.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:14 AM
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54. thank you G j
I didn't want to air my personal issues with it on this thread. I am sure a lot of people missed my original rant and may not understand what I was referring to.

Excellent post by the way. We can't let these modern day Nazis with their new, improved and not too damn subtle cleansing methods get away with it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:44 AM
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59. Thank you for the e-mail.
I tried to answer it. Keep in touch.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:19 AM
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39. I'll be waiting
Is everything OK?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:39 AM
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43. Yes.
They were replacing the meter. It was just follow-up on some re-wiring that I had done this summer.

During the time it was off, I was thinking about this issue in the context of a conversation that I had at Colgate University a few years back with Rubin Carter. Now, at my advanced age, my memory isn't what it used to be. But he talked about being in the darkness of solitary confinement, and thinking about "racism."

I think that what I may due is write a little essay about that on my blog. And then perhaps post it on DU. Discussions on race seem to be tense at times on DU, and maybe we could do something to relieve a bit of that tension .... and even add a little light to the subject. (grin) Because, indeed, we are all held prisoner to some of our errors in thinking from time to time, even progressive democrats. Might be a good time to remove some shackles from our minds.

Does that sound like a good idea?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:42 AM
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44. Works for me
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:03 AM
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48. that sounds like a great idea
I very much appreciate your insight on this subject.
You have a lot of wisdom H20 Man.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:21 PM
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60. Done. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:04 AM
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49. Your meaning was very clear.
Well said... thank you.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:48 AM
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35. of course it was racism
and if they thought they could get away with it, they would put all the storm victims onto reservations, you know they would.
Sand Creek. Wounded Knee. New Orleans. Fallujah.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:55 AM
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36. The New American Apartheid
I find it rather amazing that some don't see that we have serious race discrimination in this country when study after study has shown that the justice system is deeply racist.

The prison industrial complex is a huge money pot. There is a major percentage of the population incarcerated, many who have lost the right to vote.
Whites fare FAR better in the justice system, you just can't tell me racism isn't entrenched in our 'system'.

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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=10&ItemID=5758

The New American Apartheid
Part I

by Randall G. Shelden
and William B. Brown
June 22, 2004

www.sheldensays.com Printer Friendly Version

Modern prisoners occupy the lowest rungs on the social class ladder, and they always have. The modern prison system (along with local jails) is a collection of ghettos or poorhouses reserved primarily for the unskilled, the uneducated, and the powerless. In increasing numbers this system is being reserved for racial minorities, especially blacks, which is why we are calling it the New American Apartheid. This is the same segment of American society that has experienced some of the most drastic reductions in income and they have been targeted for their involvement in drugs and the subsequent violence that extends from the lack of legitimate means of goal attainment.

An argument could certainly be made that blacks, especially males, are superfluous and expendable in American society (that is, they are not direct contributors to corporate profits). With constant corporate downsizing and deindustrialization during the past couple of decades came the elimination of millions of jobs that previously helped minorities to get out of poverty. Specific social control apparatuses have been deemed necessary to control human frustrations in the aftermath of diminished opportunities. The criminal justice system has been selected as the primary apparatus to apply social control mechanisms on the unskilled, the uneducated, the powerless and ethnic minorities.

While residential segregation continues unabated, policies which reek of apartheid have risen along side of it. It is apparent that the criminal justice system has been engaged in a systematic attack on blacks and that going to jail or prison has become a common event in the lives of millions of racial minorities. The modern penal system accommodates the “new American apartheid.”

The most recent imprisonment data reaffirm this. At the end of 2002, blacks constituted 45.1 percent of the total prison population (with an incarceration rate more than seven times greater than whites); Latinos constituted 18 percent and whites only 34 percent. In other words, racial minorities made up two-thirds of the entire prison population. This in direct contrast to what it was in the 1930s, when whites were overwhelmingly the numerical majority of all prisoners, constituting around 70 percent of the prison population.

..lots more..

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redtapeblues Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:16 AM
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38. And sexism too...
I even saw one man (in an effort to receive equal treatment) have his wig forcibly removed as he was trying to get on a bus designated for women and children only.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:19 AM
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40. My F-I-L is chief of staff at Tulane....
to imply that Tulane is a "white, middle-class" hospital is bullshit. He just spent about 8 straight days running that hospital 24/7. They also run Charity in conjunction with LSU.

The majority of his neo-natal patients are indigent. A hospital in Orleans parish would not survive if it was a "white, middle class" hospital.

The author doesn't know what they are talking about.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:35 AM
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42. Well, Tulane is a private hospital
Charity hospital was founded in 1736 for the poor.

that much at least we know
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:59 AM
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46. Families question rescues
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/sep05/353018.asp

Families question rescues
They wonder if racial issues are why their daughters waited longer

By LEONARD SYKES JR.
lsykes@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Sept. 2, 2005

<snip>
Evacuations at both hospitals came days after patients from Tulane were airlifted out of New Orleans, and both the Robbins and Nelson families concluded that race played a role in prioritizing the airlifts.

Tulane traditionally treats patients who can pay for their medical care. Charity and University hospitals traditionally treat indigent patients who cannot pay, and many of them are black.

"When I think about what's going on, I'm so angry that I end up crying because I feel, in a way, it's a race thing," said Kelli's mother, Cathy Nelson, of the evacuation efforts.

<snip>
Cries of urgency

"She says the situation has gotten worse," the friends relayed that Kelli had messaged them. "The evacuation was aborted . . . they had taken babies and mothers down to a boat to go to Tulane's helicopter pad and they were refused access to the pad . . . what a horror story.

<snip>
From the Sept. 3, 2005, editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:14 AM
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53. Tulane runs Charity. So when you are talking about Charity...
you are talking about Tulane.

Evacuation was held up for a day or two, because the state did not provide the promised helicopters.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:23 AM
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55. I finished reading the whole article...
...thanks for providing it. I will make sure my F-I-L reads it.

Earlier in the week, the most critically premature babies from both hospitals were evacuated. It is true that other patients were not evacuated until Friday (its also true that Charity was much more under siege by people trying to overrun the hospital). Full evacuation was supposed to take place at both hospitals on Wednesday but the state-provided helos did not show. Staff placed very angry and urgent calls to all political levels. DUers might not want to hear it, but Sen. Frist ended up being the person that got the helos there on Friday.

Believe me, the staff at these hospitals are livid with both the state and the federal govts. They are eager to testify to what happened.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:31 AM
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56. thanks for your input
still trying to piece together this story
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:33 AM
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57. Believe me...it isn't pretty....
the staff and the patients have stories to tell. Hopefully, someone will listen.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:09 AM
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51. Yes....which doesn't mean a lot in a city like New Orleans, and a state...
like Louisiana. Both entities are dirt poor, and in the 1990s, the state begged both Tulane and LSU to run Charity. The state basically defaulted on Charity. My F-I-L spent the last two days in New Orleans (last week) evacuating Charity in conjunction with LSU staff.

Charity took so long to evacuate because they were under siege by people attempting to overrun the hospital. The day after the storm the same thing was attempted at Tulane. The last night at Charity, all patients and staff were moved to the top floor because the bottom floors had been taken over.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:40 AM
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58. Hell Yes it was racism.
The white deputies stood on the bridge, pointed their guns in the air, fired them and said, "There ain't gonna be no Superdome in our town", turning their neighbors back into New Orleans.

The national guard smuggled whites, Britons and Australians out of the Superdome at night while everyone else remained locked in.

The shelters wouldn't let the people in this piece visit with the people inside except when their one white volunteer posed as the leader of the group.

It was not about class, it was about race. A rich african american coming out of NO would have been treated no better than a poor african american.

Condaleeza Rice is living in a damn dream world. What the hell is wrong with her?
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