Why are they locking up evacuees and treating them like POWs?

[BattyDem]

I've read several threads tonight about evacuees being brought to various shelters and then they are forbidden to leave, to talk to reporters or to have any contact with the outside world.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

What possible justification can BushCo offer for this kind of treatment? Why isn't the press all over this? Why isn't the ACLU all over this? WHY AREN'T THE DEMS IN CONGRESS SCREAMING ABOUT THIS ON THE FLOOR?!?!?!!?

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

Even after they've been rescued, the hell never ends for these people!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[longship]

1. Bushco treats all detainees the same.

Guilty or not guilty. If Bushco has you, you are tortured.

[fooj]

2. Seems like the modern day concentration camp, doesn't it?

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


This is not the America I know and love.

Peace.

[BattyDem]

5. I'm starting to think we're never going to get our country back.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[fooj]

23. Have faith. It is our responsibility to lead these people

out of the darkness. It is our duty as Americans.

Peace.

[malaise]

3. This is shocking people outside

of the US even more than it's shocking you. Here are US citizens, taxpayers being treated like criminals. I have no proof but heard they're separating the men. Time for me to read Willie Lynch's disgusting ideas on The making of a Slave again - he appears to be live and well in the south.

What the fuck is going on in America?

[FloridaPat]

4. Hve you read some of the first-person accounts here? They are

unbelieveable what these people went through. They couldn't get out of the city. THey were locked in the Super Dome. They had guns pointed at them. They were starving as food sat outside the city. Then there are the people in the other towns and cities who are still looking for FEMA. * bunbled it badly. And they want as few people as possible in the limelight pointing that out.

[BattyDem]

11. I have read them. That's what has me so upset.

These people are Americans. They didn't do anything wrong. They need help. Why are they doing this to them? WHY ISN'T ANYONE STOPPING THEM FROM DOING IT?!?!?

:cry: :grr: :cry: :grr: :cry: :grr: :cry: :grr:

[Jersey Devil]

6. The * created myth of them being lawless looters follows them

to other states. The people there expect them to be wild, lawless criminals and demand they be penned in. This is the same mindset that kept FEMA out of NO and had them preventing others from coming in.

[Cobalt Violet]

7. Because they are poor and considered sub-human to repukes .

They hate poor people. They aren't considered adults capable of making decisions.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Because they can.... that's all. nt.

[liberal N proud]

9. Two reasons, FEAR and TRUTH

The people in many of these communities are afraid of the evacuees, these people might wander through the street and loot things after all that is what they did no NOLA.
The regime is afraid of the truth, if these people are allowed to talk to the press, then the truth about how NOLA was handled, then it wouldn't help the cause of spinning the story.

[Cleita]

10. And apologists say there is no resemblance to Nazi Germany.

eom

[burythehatchet]

12. they needed a justification for the non-stop looting hype

in the aftermath

[seemslikeadream]

13. Well Mr. Brownie has lots of power

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

http://www.fema.gov/library/eo12148.shtm

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12656.htm

Executive Order 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10990.htm

Executive Order 10995 allows Seizure of all communications media in the United States.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10995.htm

Executive Order 10997 allows Seizure of all electric power fuels and minerals, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10997.htm


Executive Order 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm

Executive Order 10999 allows Seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control of highways, seaports and waterways.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10999.htm

Executive Order 11000 allows Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision including the splitting of families if the government finds it necessary.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11000.htm

Executive Order 11001 allows seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11001.htm

Executive Order 11002 empowered the postmaster general to register all men, women and children in the U.S.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11002.htm

Executive Order 11003 allows seizure of all airports and aircraft.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11003.htm

Executive Order 11004 allows seizure of all housing and finance authorities to establish Forced Relocation Designated areas to be abandoned as "unsafe."
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11004.htm

Executive Order 11005 allows seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11005.htm

Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11051.htm

Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-11921.htm

Executive Order 12919 Signed June 3, 1994, by President Clinton. Encompasses all the above executive orders.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12919.htm

[eleny]

14. That shit will eventually hit the fan

For starters, I'm hoping that Oprah will have a program dedicated to just this issue. The books and documentaries will follow. This will not stand.

[Gormy Cuss]

15. One would think that Norm Mineta might 'splain to them how bad it looks

Manzanar-like, so to speak. Not an image we should be willing to resurrect.

[preciousdove]

16. Treatment varies from place to place - collecting stories here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4657680&mesg_id=4687920

[Hubert Flottz]

17. They are filling the Fema concetration camps as we expected

The one in my state has inmates from NO now. * Camp Dawson.

[G_j]

18. that question deserves a nomination,,, here is another account

From Today's Democracy Now!

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/07/1415225

Curtis Muhammad: (a veteran Student Non-Violent Cooordinating Committee organizer and co-founder of Community Labor United.)


And Bush, the President, finally shows up six days later, and he says, “Zero tolerance for people who break into places to get food and water,” that that's the same as looting. How can you call looting when the whole town almost is under water and people are starving and nobody has been to see about them for six days? And those people are being criminalized and thrown in jail as we speak. So, when we gathered our forces, we began to travel through the shelters so that we could locate. We couldn't get cooperation from the government of where they were taking our people. But we just started going city to city up the highway, and every city, as we went out on 10 West, we traveled all the way to Houston. We started at Baton Rouge. Everything was filled. Churches, gymnasiums, civic centers, dormitories of college campuses where the students had brought the families into their dormitories.

But when we would go to the public shelters, they were almost like prisons. You could hardly get in. There was all kind of criteria for how you could get in to see the people that was almost like visiting somebody in prison. The people didn't have access to the world around them for fear, again, because on TV they had been criminalized already. So, though the communities were willing to accept them, they were not willing for these people to walk the streets of their town. They were eating sweets and Cokes, still, to the day – I came to this studio this morning having driven from Houston. Every little town between Baton Rouge and Houston had shelters with our people. And they were all managed by FEMA and Homeland Security and soldiers and National Guards, and the ability to go visit these people was like tremendously hard work.

By the time we got to Houston, we had learned a little lesson. We learned if we took our already white volunteer as our leader to the shelters, we could enter without any problem, without any red tape. We were allowed to enter. So, we are convinced that the racism about the New Orleans black population, the black poor population, is so tremendous and so negligent and we don't know the reasons. And maybe so all black people. Maybe that's just – we just have this tremendous universal hatred for dark skin. I don't know what it is. But we watched blatant racism, blatant racism.

<snip>

[tnlefty]

19. They can get away with it because it's a "common sense" thing.

Please allow me to explain before anyone starts throwing flames. My spouse has asked me repeatedly about evacuations, and among the questions is always: where would you evacuate such large numbers of people at one time?

Since I've been informing him of this he is more than a little concerned, but my point is that to most people this will make sense. They make think it's a sad thing, but if they're unaware of people not being told where they're going nor of their ill treatment upon arrival, it will make sense to most. Most of the stories are about communities doing what they can to help out.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

20. Lots of Room at Gitmo

I hear tell it's just like a four-star resort. Folks there have never lived better.

[ForrestGump]

22. Yeah, I hear it's working out quite well for them

Some weird old lady told me.

[tlsmith1963]

21. This is the Wrong Approach

They are treating this situation like it is Iraq. This is not Iraq--this is *America*! Those f-ing Freepers had better start waking up, or else! They don't do Bush any favors with their blind support. He needs to start taking responsibility for his actions.

Tammy