The Voodoo Queens

[lildreamer316]

of New Orleans.
We don't need to do a thing.
I as a Wiccan am scared shitless of them; GWB should be too.
(I am being half funny here; of course we need to do something but I'm just saying..)

[mshasta]

1. I do believe it.

time to pay is approaching for him......

[knowbody0]

2. guarantee george is not sleeping well

[glugglug]

41. George has no problem sleeping

Because he has no conscience.

[Mythsaje]

3. He'd have to be crazy to let one of them anywhere near him...

one hair, one skin cell, one photo (uh-oh--He's Mr. Photo-op) and he'll be dancing the zombie shuffle.

;)

Honestly, a lot of the "offensive" power of voodoo is pure psych job... I doubt Bush has a psyche to affect.

[Wizard777]

22. Do the Zombie Stomp!

The Zombie Shuffle is produced by Thorozine. Not Voodoo.

Neil (I bankrupted the S&L industry)Bush could at least go to NOLA with a bucket and start bailing them out. That would do much to protect him from the Voodoo Spells of his X Wife. Bwahahahahaha

[Matariki]

60. it is NOT pure psych job

in fact it works better in secret. but nonetheless it is misunderstood. contrary to what has been perpetuated by hollywood, Vodou is a beautiful religion. *And* a powerful magical system.

[Why Syzygy]

118. We do need magick

That's for sure.

[Lindsay]

4. They've been on my mind, too.

That man's gotta have some really bad karma....

[Teaser]

5. Voodoo diaspora

If one good thing comes out of spreading the inhabitants of New Orleans to the winds it will be the spread of the Voodoo religion.

Papa Legba, Baron Samedi...let's kick some Bush ass.

[undergroundpanther]

21. Baron..Samdi, Oh yeahhh!

Do you mind if Sekhmet adds her particular fire to the pyre?

[Matariki]

64. sweet.

AND Durga, the defeater of Demons.

[undergroundpanther]

72. Oh hell why not call

Chuthulu and Satan itself!

[CatBoreal]

73. Let's add...

Kali in there as well.



Kali: Kali is the goddess of dissolution and destruction. She is known for destroying ignorance, and she helps those who strive for knowledge of God. Her name means "The Black One" and the city of Calcutta is named in her honor. Kali is fearsome in appearance. She has wild eyes, a protruding tongue, and she wields a bloody sword. Kali also holds the severed head of a demon, and she wears a belt of severed heads.

Who knows, maybe Pele would come off her mountain and give a hand as well.



Pele: Pele is one of the most dramatic goddesses of Hawaiian mythology. Pele resides in Hawaiian hearts and minds as the supreme representation of volcanic majesty and power. Hawaiians have long been aware of the natural forces which are regarded as life forces, related to humanity by common descent from the same ultimate creative spirits. The mythology quotes that Pele had the power to create new land, Pele also has a volcanic personality. She is the representation of all strong female emotions by her nature which is described as impetuous and lusty, jealous, unpredictable, and capable of sudden fury and great violence. She can also be gentle, loving, and as serene as her forests of ferns and flowering trees.

[Chovexani]

83. I've been thinking about Kali a lot lately

That's some powerful energy you do not fuck with lightly. When the dust settles it won't be pretty but rebirth will come.

[CatBoreal]

91. I know....

I've been debating invoking her.

It's tempting to say: "Karma be damned", these days. The universe moves too darn slow.

I would seriously love to see Maha Kali open a can of whup'ass on these pricks.

[Carni]

80. Sounds like the ticket to me!

BTW I have been having some really bad luck over the last few months...could you folks put in a good word for me when you're done giving * the heave ho vibe? :)

I can use all the help I can get believe me!

[niyad]

6. the vodun priestesses are very powerful indeed, and not limited to

practicing on the side of light.

I said days ago that I seriously thought it was poppet time, even though I am a witch myself, and do not practice on the dark side. my prayer is that each and every member of the administration and all of their sycophants, believers and supporters get exactly what they deserve.

[Teaser]

8. Practioners of voodoo would disagree.

Most houngans and mambos would argue they only deal with forces on the side of "light", the loa.

Those who dabble in the nasty stuff are generally termed "bokors."
but that is a complicated thing.

[Matariki]

61. not the houngans and mambos i've met

they would say the very concept of "light" and "dark" is artificial and 'new agey'. or maybe they wouldn't say that. there's not really one official policy. personal ethics is what it comes down to.

[Bridget Burke]

62. Voudon is not Black & White....

Even the most benevolent of the loa can get tricksy at times. One does not wish to anger or neglect them.

And one can't be too pure when stakes are high. For example, when one's people have been enslaved--one might contact some of the Petro Loa.

[Chovexani]

66. Most trads aren't

The whole "white magick/black magick" thing is a very false (and racist IMHO) dichotomy coming out of the Judeo-Christian roots of Western occultism.

Very few if any trads with pre-Christian roots are that cut and dried.

[RaleighNCDUer]

81. Actually, the black & white dualism is more Greek than

Judeo-Christian (a tradition which I suggest doesn't exist -- there is Judaic and Christian, which is derived from but not a part of Judaic - but that is for a different discussion).

[Chovexani]

84. I was being too simplistic

I get your drift, and appreciate the correction. My brain is running on fumes lately. Sensory overload. :(

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. Is there anything a witch who "doesn't do the dark side" can do about *?

Just curious. :)

[Teaser]

11. I'm not even sure

what a "dark side" is, really.

It's just magic someone else doesn't like.

[lildreamer316]

13. Whoohoo.That is a WHOLE other conversation. Crowley anyone?

and as I speak my avatar appears. Ok that was spooky.

[Teaser]

17. Maybe some other night.

I'm dead tired. But If you want to start a thread tomorrow, let me know, and I'm in.

But in brief, I'll admit I'm drawn to traditions that have a "dark" reputation. Palo Mayombe, for instance. I'm not an initiate, but I have friends who are, and most of the "dark" reputation comes from the fact that its Santeria "rivals" have systematically denigrated it in favor of their Yoruba magic/religion.

[Wizard777]

24. He's an old family friend.

Let's just say Bush's other Name is Mudd. Bwahahahahahaha!

[The Traveler]

25. Crowley? Did someone say, "Crowley"????

Interesting. But I was thinking about something more atavistic, a working, with Lovecraftian overtones summoning something Sumerian, perhaps ....

[Wizard777]

37. The Giant Octopus Leviathan.

Oh why not? We already have the blind idiot God Azog Thoth in the White House. What a druj!

But I still see Bush as more a Norman Mudd. Aliester took him to Thelema as his aprentice. In his first lesson. Aliester revealed too much to Norman too quickly. Norman saw the infinite power too soon. The result was basically a manchurian mind funk of epic purportions. He went insane never to recover. Norman declared himself the great goat. He ran out of the abbey and climb the hill behind it. From the top of the hill he declared himself a God and demanded that Aliester serve him. LMAO! Oh that is rich for a poor soul.

[kitkat65]

89. Interesting. George Will just wrote "Leviathan in Louisiana"

in his op-ed piece for Newsweek.

Only interesting because Leviathan has been used twice now regarding New Orleans and Katrina

[niyad]

20. a "dark side" is things like asking for deliberate harm to befall someone-

that is why I always ask for exactly what they deserve--it is up to the universe to deal with that, since I may THINK I know, but can only guess.

[undergroundpanther]

23. And we have a dark side

for a reason to get rid of souless tyrants..because the universe does not stop these pigs from getting to power and seducing nations to accept abuse ..it is up to those not afraid of thier own darksides to be honest enough to state thier intentions and force the universe to shift probability to make OUR reality better.Reality NEVER gets better on it's own.It keeps making sick psychopaths the rulers of nations look at history.

[jokerman93]

29. cool

:evilgrin:

[SonofMass]

119. Diagram that last sentence, please.

[niyad]

18. the prayer about getting exactly what they deserve is one-- rituals for

justice, the dispelling of illusions, the request that the truth come to light, these are just a few things that one can do.

[Nikki Stone 1]

38. There's a ritual for someone getting exactly what they deserve?

Hmmm...

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Kharmic spell

There are Kharmic spells that speed up the person's kharma. However, it includes their good kharma as well. These spells are considered 'grey' magick. Not right or wrong.

There is a saying, "never trust a witch who cannot heal, as well as hex!"

[Nikki Stone 1]

43. OK. I'll remember that in case I ever run across a witch, but

couldn't a good witch to a spell to save the country without, say, naming any names?

[Behind the Aegis]

45. You've run across one! **cackle**

Seriously though (stop by the astrology and ancient wisdoms forums), 'good' and 'evil' are relative terms. It can be considered 'evil' to cast a love spell if it goes against another's will, even if no harm is intended. The universal powers don't always take into consideration motive, just action and result.

This is the example I use most: A devout Christian (insert other religion) prays for a gay person to be straight. The gay person is happy being gay. The person saying the prayer is only wanting to "save" the gay person. While their intention may be without malice, it is interfering with the will of nature and the person involved. This is considered a "no-no" to witches.

[Teaser]

49. IT's a no no to some witches.

Many kinds of witchcraft don't give a hoot about the "will" of others.

So-called "traditional witchery" for example.

[Chovexani]

50. Hell even old school British Wicca has that saying

You have to know how to hex in order to heal.

(A Wiccan here but I practice what I like to call guerilla witchcraft)

[Nikki Stone 1]

56. Guerilla witchcraft????? Ok, you gotta follow up on this one.

:)

[Chovexani]

63. It just means

Doing what you have to do to serve the greater good...sometimes it means getting your figurative hands dirty and karmically taking one for the team. :)

[Matariki]

71. and that in itself is an 'absence of evil' !

cheers to you!

[Chovexani]

78. It's needed

More than ever in these times. :(

[Teaser]

103. Robert Cochrane's 1734 tradition

Has no comparable statement. Here's their ethic:

Do not do what you desire -
do what is necessary.
Take all you are given -
give all of yourself.
"What I have - - - I hold!"
When all else is lost, and not until then,
prepare to die with dignity.

Most of these guys laugh at "old school british wicca".

[Matariki]

67. okay, i'm gonna get myself in trouble here

but what i've observed is that witches i know that are actually initiated don't go on about karma and 3-fold law, ESPECIALLY third degree initiates. (They'll know why i say that). The folks i DO see go on about that stuff, mostly as an excuse for non-action, are what i would call 'the internet trained' wiccan.

okay, flame away.

[Chovexani]

69. LOL

No flames here, friend. Like I said above, in order to heal you have to know how to hex.

Fluffs get scared when you tell them that.

[mongo]

77. No flames here

The world is grey - not black and white.

ESPECIALLY third degree initiates. (They'll know why i say that)

That reminds me... How many Gardenarians does it take to screw in a light bulb....

[Matariki]

95. okay, i'll bite

how many?

[mongo]

96. Shhhhh! It's a SECRET!

Oldest joke in the book...

[Matariki]

108. flogged to death, as it were?

[noonwitch]

120. Z Budapest's "Holy Book Of Women's Mysteries" has one

I've never done it, a friend of mine wanted to curse her father and I shared it with her, but advised her not to go through with it, and refused to assist her. (My friend is crazy and irrational, and I advised her that if she did place this curse on her father and he didn't deserve it, the curse would return to her three fold). Z states it should be for those who truly deserve it, like rapists. I'm more of a christian these days, but I have the book at home somewhere. I know it involves stuffing a black voodoo doll with boldo leaves, whatever they are.

Although he isn't a rapist, sticking pins in the crotch of a voodoo doll with a picture of Bush's face on the head of the doll can't hurt.

[Walt Starr]

52. The most powerful Magick a Witch can enact on a politican

Truth.

Simply ask The Goddess and The God for Truth in the matter.

It would destroy him.

[Nikki Stone 1]

57. Uh...has anyone done this yet?

??

[Chovexani]

87. There has been ongoing work in this area for a while now

Someone brought it up in the Ancient Wisdom group (and that's why I started), but I know of a lot of others who have been doing it too.

[hvn_nbr_2]

117. Yes.

As was said, it's been discussed in the Ancient Wisdom etc. group. Here's a link to the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=262x471

[Matariki]

70. Don't forget JUSTICE

We've had the truth about the bushclan exposed for years now. In fact, having the truth exposed without any resulting justice, ends up being very demoralizing.

[Walt Starr]

104. Justice comes on its own

Once you have the Truth, Justice always follows.

[Mairead]

58. Well, I'm doing mundane things and assuming he'll get the karmic return

on his actions if/when we can strip him of his mundane protections.

(edit)In fact, now I come to think about it, having us strip him of his mundane protections might just BE his karmic payback.

[RaleighNCDUer]

82. How bout asking for protection from Bush

and letting the Gods decide how they do it?

[Cleita]

7. If I had the power, my spell would be that they could only

tell the truth from now on.

[lildreamer316]

12. Very good one.

It is so hard not to give in to the rage and hatred that we all feel. I too do not wish to practice on the dark side and so have tried to limit even my thoughts of harm; however I cannot help hoping that they (the voodoo practicioners) are everything I have known them to be.

[mark11727]

9. Look what I found on Google...!

[Teaser]

14. The voodoo doll...

is kind of a bastardized tradition. I believe they just started out as effigies of spirits...not as targets for pins!

[lildreamer316]

15. Sheesh. Ask and you shall recieve.

Or am I allowed to use that phrase? Ak.

[joemurphy]

16. Shrub may have pissed off Marie Laveau. Not a good idea.

The Voodoo Queen stills lives on today in New Orleans, if only in legend. Her grave is visited by the faithful and the curious year-round. Many come to her tomb and place small offerings there, like beans, food or various Voodoo items. Many make chalk marks on the face of her stone tomb, in the sign of an X or a cross.

Still others believe that Marie Laveau's spirit rises on St. John's Eve, June 23, and holds court over a spectacular Voodoo ritual. (See "Ghosts of New Orleans" for more details.) Needless to say, there is debate as to whether an actual ghost of the Voodoo Queen exists. But of the sorceress herself, one thing is absolutely certain -- of all the practitioners of the Voodoo faith, no one in New Orleans was ever more renowned or more influential or more powerful than Marie Laveau.

<http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/voodooQueen.htm>

[Jamastiene]

31. And because Bush is lazy as hell and selfish and wouldn't

give them enough money to shore up the levees, I'll never get to visit her tomb. I'm beyond disgusted. She was a beautiful woman. I wanted to visit her tomb. Yet another great historical landmark I won't get to see now, because of that assholes incompetence.

[clover]

19. yes. Yes. YES. sacred graves opened in the storm,

the spirits forgive nature, being buried aboveground
but
to see their families decimated by emperor devils, however passively, through inaction while reacting politically for financial gain (9-11, anyone?) must most certainly feel--even to the dead-- like something unforgiveable, something punishable, a wrong to be righted, a return to balance of some sort

i've always loved ben franklin for insisting that lightning strikes are not tools of a pissed God, but rather sources of commercial energy

and while i still love his oats, i wonder now if maybe ben was wrong, mainly when i fantasize a precise stroke of lightning, like the one that took out rhoda, the twisted monster of The Bad Seed, whose father (the seed-bearer) worked for the department of defense. a great old flick, by the way.

[Fescue4u]

26. Nah. If Voodoo Queens had any power

They would have sent the Hurricane away.

[delen]

30. Just pictured

* et al with a severed goats head. The hurricane did relatively little damage(nature) , it was the levees breaking that caused the catastrophe(man made)

[IdaBriggs]

48. One could say the same about the Christians, yes? nt

[Lilith Velkor]

98. No, not really

They think New Orleans deserved destruction because of abortion or gay marriage or something.

[Wizard777]

27. A Great Chant. In the Key of A

Quando paramucho mi amore defelice corazon
Mundo paparatzi mi amore chicka ferri parasol
Cuesto obrigado tanta mucho que can eat it carousel.

From a great bunch of mystical lads called The Beatles. :)

Roll-la-la-la up, Roll up for the mystery tour.

[Kenroy]

God

that was a great Cher song.

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Yeah, but "Gypsies, Tramps and Theives" is infinitely superior.

Plus, that song title could be about the Bush cabinet - no offense to Gypsies or tramps intended, of course. :hi:

[Kenroy]

35. I don't mean to be a prick

but my father is a gypsy and my mother is a tramp.

Of course, that brings my whole paternity into question, but still... don't fuck with Cher.

[Generator]

28. Bad moon rising

Is the fucking epitome of the THEME song of the whole neo-con clueless fucktwards. Yes, karma comes to everyone's door. Everyone's.

[erinlough]

114. This has been an earworm for me for the last month!!!!

I have read a great deal about ancient religions but am not a practitioner. However both my sister and I have strong premonitions that come to pass. I am trying to recognize them and pay attention to them earlier. Many times it is like this was, something points out to me (like your post) that I have been recieving this message for a long time.

Actually, I am quite excited about this because as I pay attention I seem to get more results.

Anyone else have this?

[newswolf56]

33. Curious post on DU yesterday -- one that literally stood my hair on end:

"The cemetery be full of graves. Baron ask if they all there due to God's will."

Something -- perhaps some half-remembered reading in folklore, perhaps a veiled recollection from the years I spent in the South, perhaps merely the instincts of someone who has studied alternative spiritualities all my adult life -- tells me this is the opening salutation of a ritual: a very dark ritual indeed.

[Kenroy]

34. I'm confused...

what do you mean?

In all the cemetaries I've been in (and they're sort of a fascination of mine), all of them have been filled with graves. That's pretty much what makes them cemetaries.

[newswolf56]

36. Think about it poetically not literally. Those who died...

natural deaths or by sickness are dead "by god's will" and therefore are at rest. Those who were murdered (or were slain by genocidal neglect) are dead by other means, and may be very restless indeed -- with all the implications that follow.

Or at least that is how I understand it, though I am surely neither an expert on Voudon nor learned in necromancy. But I lived in the South long enough to take Voudon very very seriously indeed. And I have heard of instances in which it has worked even against those who thought it superstitious poppycock.

[Kenroy]

47. well I believe it is superstitious poppycock

does that make me susceptible to some sort of harm?

If voudon had any power whatsoever, New Orleans would not be underwater today.

And even if it couldn't stop a hurricane, it could kill George Bush.


Just as I curse the Holy Spirit and still live (fuck you, Holy Spirit!) in contrast to the biblical imprecations, I will state that Voudon is just pure claptrap and I don't fear the results of saying so.

Bring it on...

[Chovexani]

51. Baron

In Vodoun, Baron is the loa associated with death, fertility, cemetaries and the land of the dead. Traditionally in Vodoun the first burial in a cemetary is dedicated to him. IIRC, he has several aspects: Baron Samedi, Baron la Croix and Baron Cemetaire (sp?). I'm a little fuzzy on it since I only did some cursory reading on Vodoun early on in my magickal training, so don't take my words as gospel.

[htuttle]

109. Simitye-a, o ple moun-yo.

Baron mande-o tout moun ki la yo, si se Bondje'k mete-o?

Legba, open the way...

[Nikki Stone 1]

40. OK, so I have this souvenir voodoo doll from a friend who went to NO

It has two pins--a black one and a white one.

I'll be happy to send it to someone who knows what to do with it. :)

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Just remember...

...what ever you "put out there," so it comes back! You could use the white pin thru the mouth to represent only truths emerging. However, it can be considered 'dark' magick because if the person's nature is to lie, to alter it, is considered 'dark' or 'grey' magick. :) Happy sticking!

[Nikki Stone 1]

44. Well, I wasn't thinking of doing it myself. Too cynical. Need a true

believer for that.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. IMHO

It isn't necessarily about belief, only what is in your heart.

[Nikki Stone 1]

59. So isn't there a rule that things come back to you?

If you do something with bad intent, that energy will come back and hurt you?

[Behind the Aegis]

68. Some believe so.

The rule of Three...whatever you put out, will return to you three-fold, whether good or bad.

[Nikki Stone 1]

75. Well, that would mean you couldn't do anything negative

Guess hexing is out. ;)

[Behind the Aegis]

79. heehee...

Well, some will still hex, but know there will consequences. It's a "don't do the crime, if you can't do the time" type of attitude. Some hex and don't care. Some do it, as another poster said, to "take one for the team (humanity)."

So, hex away...just realize you are responsible for your actions. Unlike the Rethuglican Party, magick will not allow you to pass the blame onto others! :)

[TNOE]

86. Me Too!

Now I will definitely treasure it - something coming from New Orleans before the destruction - have never used it though.


But hey - we can practice on this one:

http://www.virtual-design.com/demos/voodoodoll/voodoo.asp?section=demo&subsection=voodoo

[malta blue]

53. I met a self-proclaimed voodoo queen of New Orleans

walking down Bourbon Street with Distressed American back in 2001.

[davsand]

54. Used to be some interesting folks there in the Quarter.

Not so much the ones that ran the shops for the tourists, but the ones that lived and worked there. I pray they all came out of this hurricane safely...

If I have learned ANYTHING in the 20+ years I've been a witch, it is not to dismiss anything outside the familiar traditions. Just because it isn't your tradition doesn't mean it won't or can't work. I've never personally worked much with the African or Island based traditions (never felt personally drawn to them) but I am certain that given the right practitioner they can pack a wallop.

Personally, I have never had much luck with the weather type spells--seems to me that maybe messing in that kind of stuff is somehow out of my league. Laying down a major binding spell on somebody that caused great hurt, however, is something that most traditions could probably do with some very real success.

Frankly, given the level of devastation that is going on, how much fear do you think some of these folks will have of "bad karma" from a hex? If you lost your house, your business and your family--you'd probably be willing to lay down a major big bad hex on the guy you blamed for the mess--don't ya think?

I think the asswipe in the White House is headed for a major reckoning--be it from the gods, God, or Goddess...



Laura

[Chovexani]

65. You got it.

If things don't work, people stop using it and look for things that do.

I'm just wondering how many of them made it out. There was a very thriving magickal community in NOLA...all traditions...I just hope they are safe. I have been doing work for them.

[Carni]

88. WELL! THIS thread has been quite an eye opener!

I had no idea! I didn't realize that voodoo is indeed a religion that is still practiced today!(excuse me for calling it voodoo instead of the correct name)

Not being a smart ass here...I find this very interesting.

I certainly hope bush gets his via his own vile acts.

[davsand]

92. Here's a good site to learn a bit from:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/voodoo.htm

I always suggest looking to these guys for info like this.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/index.htm#new

With a motto like this: "Our site mandate:
"To promote religious tolerance and freedom.
To describe religious faiths in all their diversity.
To describe controversial topics from all points of view." you are gonna get some info that isn't slanted or colored by PR and spin.

--------

If you are interested in some further reading you may want to look at Zora Neal Hurston's book titled "Tell My Horse." It is set in Haiti, I think.

Wade Davis did a study of the pharmacology of the stuff commonly used in the zombie rituals in Haiti, and some of it proved to be neurotoxins from natural souces... This is not play. His book (named The Serpent and the Rainbow) was made into a really stupid movie that made a mockery of his academic work, but the book is well worth reading if you want to understand a bit more.


Laura

[Carni]

111. Thanks for the links. I knew it was a valid religionpracticed my many

But I didn't realize that there was really the whole magic component to it. Not that I have a problem with that...just didn't realize this was a for real deal!

[Raster]

55. whatever they need...

[Carni]

74. Seriously...There are actually Voodoo queens?

No offense to voodoo people (if they are here) but I thought that was mainly hype for tourists? They actually exist?

[lildreamer316]

102. Umm OH YES.

The real ones of course do not advertise themselves alot. My husband is from (on his mothers side) NO and surrounding areas. Let's just say his family has a .....history.

[Carni]

112. I will certainly shut up then! LOL

I just didn't know... but reagrding THIS particular topic,
I certainly don't want anyone pissed at me or offended.

I definitely believe the unused powers of the brain can do some pretty astounishing things and I always remain open minded!

[RaleighNCDUer]

76. As an atheist, I don't believe in them...

but they say that you don't have to believe.

[Modem Butterfly]

101. Sure they say that

They also say they're powerful. But what good were they last week?

[Ioo]

85. I to am scared to death of these people NT

[mod mom]

90. Voodoo dolls of bu$h/cheney to raise cash for NO!

[DinahMoeHum]

93. Don't forget Madame Marie Laveau. . .

St. Louis Cemetery No. 1.
Hope her gravestone didn't wash away!! That would make ME nervous!!

:evilgrin:

[CatBoreal]

94. Would hate to see what she'd do to *

Actually, that's a lie. :evilgrin:

[KamaAina]

97. Voodoo may not work on Bush**

I think you have to have a soul. Bush** is actually a pretty close relative of a zombie, come to think of it.

[stanwyck]

99. Agree on the queens, plus Chinese history tells us

that catastrophic natural disasters signal regime change. Joe Klein notes this in his essay in this week's TIME magazine.

[Modem Butterfly]

100. They couldn't even keep a few leevees together

Powerful my ass...

[Cattledog]

105. Got my old Voodoo Doll from the Chicken Man and

placed a curse on * and all the animal haters at DU!

[demodonkey]

106. I have a little voodoo doll I bought last March in NO...

Picked one out that I thought was cute, in one of the little touristy shops there in the French Market... at the time I laughingly thought it would be usable against either ** or the jerk developer who flooded my family's farm (in PA) and basically ruined by life for the last 11 1/2 years.

Actually I thought about buying two -- one for ** and one for the developer. But then I got this weird feeling that if I sent something bad out it would come back like a boomerang... reading this thread, hmmm, I guess I was right?

Anyway I bought the little voodoo doll; maybe I should sort of focus good wishes for the people of NOLA on it?

[lildreamer316]

107. Sure! Great idea!

Prop it up somewhere nice; even put a little (symbolic or real) food and water near it. Couldn't hurt and as far as I am concerned works as well as prayer..........

[skooooo]

110. kick...

I been wondering when someone would start talking about the massive amount of voodoo curses being cast on Bushco.

[orpupilofnature57]

113. Thats why I kept my Kerry/ Edwards bumper sticker on !!

[Rosco T.]

115. Would 'blessing' ShrubCo with their just rewards....

.. for their actions re:Kartina be considered the 'dark' or the 'light'???

[orpupilofnature57]

116. I think it would be considered Impeachable!!

[Bridget Burke]

121. "Under a Hoodoo Moon: The Life of the Night Tripper"

Is Mack Rebennack's account of his life as a musician. Also known as Dr John, he was born & raised in New Orleans. He writes respectfully of the "Reverend Mothers" who taught him a lot--like some of the lyrics found in his haunting "Gris Gris."

The Reverend Mothers had mostly passed on by the time he wrote the book. The Doctor has a lot to say about music & New Orleans. If even half of it is true, he's lived an amazing life.

Black writer Ishmael Reed has written extensively on "Hoodoo." Traditional African ways were suppressed better outside New Orleans. He sees the loas manifesting directly in music & the other arts.