Why are Freeps obsessed with the school buses???

[whyzayker]

I haven't seen anything (topics have moved so quickly) but the right wing nut boards are using the "school buses" as a defense of all that went wrong????

What'd I miss?

[Birthmark]

1. Well,...

...I've been told that there were between 200 and 2,000 (that's what they said) school buses in NO that could have transported the people of NO "somewhere" (that is never specified of course) safe. Presumably, this would have prevented the world from finding out that Bush is a narcissistic sociopath - which is the real point of their argument. Now that the President's lack of empathy or common decency is exposed to anyone with half a brain or 1/4 of a heart, there's nothing for it but to blame someone else.

How'd you like having to try to justify Bush? Blech!

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Nagin did use the school buses to take people out

Until 3 people died on one trying to get to Baton Rouge.

Most school buses have no AC and certainly no bathrooms. At that point, Nagin asked FEMA to send the touring type buses but of course they could possible get their act together to do that.

[MercutioATC]

5. Is there ANYTHING that suggests that NAGIN ordered those buses used?

I haven't seen anything yet...

Yes, shhool buses were used and yes, 3 people died. I just haven't seen where it was done on Nagin's order.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Nagin issued an 800 # for people to call who needed to be picked up

and they sent buses around the neighborhoods to get people. After FEMA told Nagin to use the Superdome for a shelter, even though they weren't supposed to, Nagin began taking the people there.


Below is the story about the people who died on the school bus that was trying to get to Baton Rouge.




3 Die While Fleeing Storm

An official with the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner's Office said three residents of a New Orleans nursing home fleeing Hurricane Katrina aboard a school bus died Sunday during an evacuation to a Baton Rouge church.

The names, ages and sexes of the dead were not available.

Don Moreau, chief of operations, said the coroner's office responded to a call from emergency medical technicians to a Baptist church, which was the destination for the bus of nursing home patients. Once there, Moreau said one person was dead inside the church and another was found dead inside the bus.

He said the person in the bus appeared to have been dead for some time.

Moreau said the others on the bus, 21 people, were transported to Earl K. Long Hospital, where a third nursing home resident later died.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/4909184/detail.html

[MercutioATC]

9. Yes, I've read that. It doesn't say that Nagin ordered those school buses

used (the ones three people died on).

Actually, it doesn't mention anything connecting Nagin with ANY school buses, nor does it show he was even aware of this incident. I'm looking for something definitive connecting Nagin with school buses.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. If the buses came out of NO

then they were under his jurisdication. Either Nagin or someone under him would have had to authorize their use to take people out before the storm. This happened before the storm, not after.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Using the buses is covered in their CEMP

City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan


D. Regional Transit Authority

* Supply transportation as needed in accordance with the current Standard Operating Procedures.

* Place special vehicles on alert to be utilized if needed.

* Position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses.

* If warranted by scope of evacuation, implement additional service.

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

Based on this plan and the reports in the press, I think we have enough evidence that the mayor implemented the plan and used the buses. They also claim that they did get about 80% of the people out before the storm. That's damn good considering they got NO HELP from the FEDs.

[PublicWrath]

36. ITEM :school buses WERE negotiated for by Nagin & city of NO

Check DU for a posting of a couple of days ago with a link to the minutes of the Orleans Parish School Board for June 9th of this year,
(I remember because it's a family birthday). The City had contacted the school board and was trying to work out an arrangement to use buses in the event of an emergency evacuation. It's unclear what happened to these plans, but clearly they were discussed, which means that Nagin and city officials took evacuation seriously.

[PublicWrath]

37. ITEM :school buses WERE negotiated for by Nagin & city of NO

Check DU for a posting of a couple of days ago with a link to the minutes of the Orleans Parish School Board for June 9th of this year,
(I remember because it's a family birthday). The City had contacted the school board and was trying to work out an arrangement to use buses in the event of an emergency evacuation. It's unclear what happened to these plans, but clearly they were discussed, which means that Nagin and city officials took evacuation seriously.

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. And how do you put hospital patients on a school bus, never mind

transporting them safely?

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. That is why you need the Feds involved

HS/FEMA would be the only ones with enough resources to evacuate hospitals.

It would be interesting to find out what the pre-planning was for hospitals and why it wasn't implemented.

[Window]

23. LOL! Thanks for the summary.

I was reading about the buses the other day, stepped away for a minute and could not find the thread again.

Peace

[WLKjr]

2. it's the only time you will ever hear them obsess

about anything with the word "school" in it.

[soup]

11. or the word 'bus' without 'short' preceding it.

shiny objects

[zbdent]

20. Except for when it's followed by

"prayer" . . .

[B Calm]

3. No sense beating around the Bush, there were mistakes made..

[notadmblnd]

6. it's the last straw they have to cling to

that enables them to remain in their state of denial regarding their "dear leader"

[XanaDUer]

8. You nailed it.

...

[weiser]

12. They pulled the last straw and it broke

Bush cannot deflect this one..... It would be shameful if he did..!

[highplainsdem]

32. Exactly -- and photos of the buses are the only images they have to offset

all the devastating images coming out of New Orleans that are turning media opinion and public opinion against Bush. Freepers liked the images of looters, too, but too many people were too aware that most of the "looters" were just taking what they needed to survive.

[B Calm]

10. Maybe those school bus drivers along with the rest of New Orleans

been told to evacuate the city...

[whyzayker]

13. That was my thought too...

Who the hell was going to drive them? But these bozos cling to the buses as some kind of "blue dress" defense.

[izzie]

15. It is like they do the same with the 'tubes' in Iraq as WMT

To have a reason to be sure you are right. It is not Bush's fault but the blacks. Like saying NO is sin city. Blame it on them. And in that case God has seen fit to do it.

[bicentennial_baby]

16. 'cause they're pissed that they all had to ride

the short one :)

[Walt Starr]

17. They've convinced themselves that 100,000 people could fit on 200 buses.

[jayfish]

34. They're Also Convinced That School Buses Can...

make cross-country trips, in bumper to bumper evac traffic, without running out of fuel. Then we could have had people dieing out in the country rather than in the city.

Jay

[B Calm]

18. Seen a guy on TV last night saying he still is not leaving. He also

mentioned he voted for BUSH!

[Skittles]

19. same reason they're obsessed with Oil-For-Food

they need something to hang on to to try to convince them their support for their incompentent little bastard george is worthwhile

[Ivan Sputnik]

21. Were there enough school buses

to evacuate everyone who needed to get out and couldn't? Somehow I doubt it. I assume they only had enough school buses for NO's school children. And where were school buses supposed to take people?

[seabeyond]

22. i hear nagin used school busses. 3 people died, he then asked

for greyhounds and such that had air and toilets. he didnt get

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[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. Bottom line-Management of huge disasters is a federal gov responsibility.

Bush and FEMA failed horribly at this. No amount of pictures of buses erases that fact.

[HoosierClarkie]

33. Have you ever heard the expression...

Your only as good as your leader? Yes you are right this country was founded on initiative and the great people of NO took the initiative to help eachother. While Bush took the initiative to hire his cronies and FUCKING Horse judges!

[seabeyond]

35. it was too, nagin was callin bush adm., they wouldnt take his call

bush job would be to encourage, call, and give the information needed for greyhound to jump in. i am sure they would have, if they realized. or if fema would have allowed them in. many modes of transportation was denied per fema. get you information. bush should have been gathering infomation, seeing hte needs to be met. he ignored

have you ever run a business. been the boss
have you ever run a family, being a mom

we have responsibilities, with our power

not a hard one. and anyone that has done "hard work" know this. bush has never done hard work, a day in his life. he doesnt have a clue what it is. hence the stupid ass reason anyone would vote him in.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

25. Because the picture was on Drudge. If there was a pic of pogo sticks there

they'd be going on and on about that.

[Flubadubya]

27. It is what's called "Grasping At Straws"!

:eyes:

[Freedomfried]

30. They all remember the "short busses" and the kids on the regular

big busses that laughed at them.


There people never forgot that.