I loved Jon Stewart's Tuesday night show BUT

[Mend]

why can't these guys do 30 minutes of comedy without mentioning Monica Lewinski? What did she have to do with NOLA? Isn't it possible to rip bushit without tearing into Clinton, too? The show was fantastic, except for that. Just asking...

[Howardx]

1. What exactly was said?

Did they rip Clinton or were they merely pointing out the absurdity of comparing Clinton's indiscretions with those of the un-holy warmonger currently in office?

[Mend]

4. Jon said Monica's vagina was

bigger than the Superdome. Then he said she was "the Big Easy". It was pure malice and totally off-topic. It was like, "let's be balanced and blame Clinton, get that out of the way, and then we can talk about bush". I am sick to death of it.

[Teaser]

7. You are misrepresenting the context

and it is dishonest, althouh I imagine not intentionally so.

Lewinsky was brought up as a scandal that was the result of a failure in judgement. This is a failure in leadership, the difference being Lewinsky didn't result in the death or displacement of thousands.

[Mend]

9. I am not misrepresenting that he discussed Monica's vagina eom

[rman]

20. You did misrepresent "blame Clinton". nt

[johnfunk]

34. And Jon essentially gave US a talking point that is easy to comprehend...

... namely:

Katrina IS Bush's Monica Lewinsky -- but unlike Clinton, THOUSANDS DIED.

That's so simple, even George W. Bush could figure it out.

[JuniperLea]

39. Hahahahaha!

I've been posting something similar here for about a week now...


Clinton's Blow Job = Monica

Bush's Blow Job = Katrina

Do the math!

[K-W]

31. That just isnt true.

He didnt say her vagina was bigger than the superdome, he said it has been called the superdome, which could be taken as a size joke, or just goofiness. The big easy joke he made apologetically.

And it was totally on-topic especially when he made the point, with a joke, that thousands of people werent stranded by Clinton's scandal.

Balance had nothing to do with it nor did he blame Clinton for anything. And he talked about Bush before he talked about Clinton.

[jane_pippin]

35. Ding ding ding! "It" was a metaphor pointing out the difference

between Clinton's "failure," and Bush's miserable failure using the symbols, shall we say, of each incident.

No Clinton bashing at all, really.

[sybylla]

10. Bingo!

You pegged it. The Monica affair was referred to only to contrast it to the idiocy of the current administration and lack of any accountability.

[NoSheep]

44. I called BINGO first!

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[ClintonTyree]

2. It's an attempt to seem "fair and balance" I think........

and to show how ridiculous right wing attacks are as opposed to REAL issues like Katrina, DSM, Rovegate etc. I don't get very upset about it, it a factual comparison of real versus capricious issues.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. It's called a joke

:eyes: You can't take a joke then you need to get out more.

[skypilot]

3. I didn't see Stewart's show but...

...I'm kind of appalled that David Letterman and Conan O'Brien still occasionally allude to Clinton and Lewinsky in their opening stand-up bits. It's so hack-y at this point. I'm sure Jay Leno probably still does it also but I can't stand to watch him.

[mattclearing]

30. Last night Letterman discussed Monica's entry to grad school...

...He said it was a great opportunity and advised her not to blow it.

:D

[underpants]

32. DAVE!

He has some killer top ten list this month.

www.cbs.com

[Teaser]

5. It was appropriate.

Stewart mentioned how Democrats were expected to condemn Clinton for the Lewinsky affair. The comparison is, why aren't Republicans expected to condemn Bush for this?

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Because unlike the republicans

we can admit when there was a mistake and work to make it better. The republicans can't ever admit they were wrong. For whatever reason they just don't think it's "manly" to say you're wrong. :eyes:

[babylonsister]

6. Agree, but I think Jon was, in his own sly way,

pointing out how ridiculous the whole Clenis thing was in comparison to Bush's current FUBARS.

[Mend]

8. I disagree...it was mean and in bad taste and

calling Monica a slut with a big, loose vagina, has nothing to do with dead people....watch it again, it was at the beginning and you'll see what I mean. We don't need to kill our own.

[charlie]

15. Kill our own...

You presume Jon is one of "us." He's not. He's just perceptive enough to see that Republicans are far more ludicrous than Democrats.

[BrainRants]

19. No presumptions, fact is: he's a comedian.

He slings shit in all directions, regardless of party. If it makes you laugh, chances are you'll see it.

[charlie]

16. delete, dupe n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

25. LOL

It was mean? :eyes: Oh brother, you didn't see it did you? And how do you know Jon Stewart is "one of our own"? He's not supposed to be partisan.

[JuniperLea]

40. I think you might do well to get out more

The sarcasm in Jon's message was pretty evident and it is in fact something I've been saying for over a week now...

Clinton's Blow Job = Monica

Bush's Blow Job = Katrina

Do the math!

Sarcasm is one of the hardest things to "get", especially if you aren't looking for it or if you don't know the person from whence it came very well.

If you've watched Stewart's show much at all, you surely must get that it is a joke!

[spooky123]

12. Jon Stewart show

He was trying to show how the republican's made such an issue of Monica, that non of them including the dem's are making an issue of this cluster fuck. He needs to be impeached for crimes against his own people. He is nero standing by as rome burned, he stood by while american's died.

[BrainRants]

11. It;'s a comedy show.

I'm not defending Monica's vagina, but Jon's parallels were a comedic way of pointing out the Repuglican hypocrisy regarding accountability and responsibility.

Regardless, Jon slings it in all directions and more often than not he's right on the money.

[spooky123]

14. daily show real news

he gets right to the point of hypocrisy. fake news that is real and right on the money. Impeach Clinton for getting head, while do nothing while Bush eats cake and american's die.

[spooky123]

17. daily show real news

he gets right to the point of hypocrisy. fake news that is real and right on the money. Impeach Clinton for getting head, while do nothing while Bush eats cake and american's die.

[imperialismispasse]

27. "Im not defending Monica's vagina"

Thats not a sentence I expected to read today.

[BrainRants]

28. LOL!

Now it's even funnier!

[jane_pippin]

13. Because it's pop culture satire and it was used to comic effect to create

a point about how the nation and the government reacted to one Presidential screw up as opposed to another presidential screw up. Also known as, "a joke."

Sorry, but I don't mind at all when they rip into Dems and progressives. I think it keeps things in perspective. I may not agree with the premise, but that doesn't mean I can't see the humor in it.

(I'm out the door to work, so for now I'm posting and running here. Apologies.)

[Mend]

18. This is a war of words as much as any other kind of war...

the message is over and over that bush is a good Christian man who has a good moral code and doesn't screw interns keeps coming through. Most freepers would forgive bush anything because they still see him as decent. JMO.

[rman]

21. That's not Jon Stewart's message.

So what's your point?

[jane_pippin]

29. I don't dispute that. What I'm saying is...

I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they think that Stewart or the Daily Show as a whole is some kind of message machine for our side.

It's deeply satisfying to hear what we scream about for days and days show up on The Daily Show. I LOVE it because usually, we don't get to hear anybody but ourselves say what we say and to hear it everyday on the TV is great.

However, I think the reason those issues come up on the show in the way they do is because everyone at the show is very smart and very pissed at the hypocrisy they see. (Further, I think the reason jokes so often echo those we see on DU is because we too are smart and pissed at the hypocrisy we see.) In other words, I don't think they're actively involved in fighting some message or promoting another. I think they're involved in writing and producing a sharp, biting, relevant comedy show, and that means all sides get to take a hit. (And yes, I'd lay money down that most of the writers are left leaning and I'm sure it factors in, but I still believe the driving force is pointing out corruption & bullshit in all of our pop-culture spheres. It's just that Bush and his buddies have so damn much of it to go around right now, that they get the worst of it, and deservedly so.)

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Then obviously you didn't get it

:eyes:

[soleft]

26. I'm glad she's moving to London

Hopefully there she will have some anonymity and be spared having to listen to this kind of stuff.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. The Daily Show is a Comedy Show and

Jon Stewart is a comedian. Sometimes comedians go for the easy laugh.

[fishwax]

36. mentioning her was totally appropriate, but the vagina joke was bad taste

he mentioned lewinski as a contrast of consequences. Clinton scandal = very small national impact; bush scandal = widespread devastation. Mentioning the Clinton scandal was perfectly appropriate, even necessary. I just wish they'd found a different way to close the conversation than the vagina jokes, which added nothing, imo.

[FlaGranny]

37. I totally got Jon's point,

but I didn't much like the way he made it. Leave Monica alone for god's sake. She doesn't deserve it and she is no longer a public figure. He could have made the whole point without using her name. Let her get on with her life. Are people going to be making these jokes when she's 60?

His points were certainly all good and I overall liked the show, but I cringe every time I hear someone use her name like that. She is a fellow human being. I can't even say what she did was bad, considering that it is something thousands and thousands of people do all the time.

[lectrobyte]

38. It's a comedy show. Keep that in mind. Also, he didn't point out

that unlike Bush's failure of leadership, Clinton's didn't leave thousands of people stranded...

[nodehopper]

41. you mean he DID point it out, right?

[lectrobyte]

43. Right. Sorry for the typo.

[omega minimo]

42. The embedded sexism and "invisbile" misogyny are as damaging and dangerous

as the embedded and "invisible" racism that permeates our culture.

The "just a joke" B.S. is just that. These people need to "get out more"-- out of their "just a joke" bigoted comfort zones.

Comfortably opinionated folks just witnessed genocide on American soil and didn't REALLY react all that much. Not as if the blinders were ripped off and people said-- YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO THESE PEOPLE.

The assaults on women's bodies will be the next NO.

[walldude]

45. I thought it was hilarious... So did Mrs Walldude

I was never a huge Clinton fan, the guy was POTUS and couldn't keep his pants zipped. While I don't agree with anyone making a media circus out of his private life, the republicans had been hammering him for years trying to nail him for something. He knew they were looking for something to nail him on yet he still had to go dipping his wick. As for Monica well, when you blow the President, then try to become a celebrity because of it, it's open season. You paint a target on your ass, someone is going to shoot you. They both deserve to be ridiculed. I'll never forgive Clinton for not pardoning Leonard Peltier...