Lock Down Mode at the Astrodome Reliant Center

[seemslikeadream]

CNN

No one in or out

This is where they are giving out the debit cards

[Roland99]

1. Any more details for those w/o the ability to watch CNN?

[seemslikeadream]

2. Nothing else they've moved on will keep watching

edited above post with a little info

[Roland99]

4. Oh, probably security re: the debit cards. Unfortunate but understandable

imo.

[preciousdove]

5. If you can't leave what good are earthly the cards? An excuse to control.

[tx_dem41]

22. Can you entertain the possibility that the "lockdown" is temporary..

while the debit cards are being distributed. Do you want the true evacuees to be deprived of services/money that they deserve while people who don't deserve it get them instead?

[elehhhhna]

3. Red Cross debit cards. No FEMA for 7 to ten days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4694501&mesg_id=4694501

[iverglas]

6. for pity's sake ... again ...

Might it just be possible that without any way of identifying people, they kind of want to be sure that people aren't going out one door and back in the other and collecting multiple cards?

Of course that couldn't be the case. Every victim of a disaster is a saint.

Hey, if they tattooed numbers on them to make sure no duplication of benefits was going on, would that make you happy?

[seemslikeadream]

7. I did not make this headline up either

[seemslikeadream]

9. Do you have a problem with legitimate news sources?

[iverglas]

14. I don't have a problem

Perhaps you have one; I don't know and won't ask baseless loaded questions insinuating a problem I have no grounds for suggesting.

"Lock Down Mode at the Astrodome Reliant Center" seems to be what the legitimate news source says, according to you.

I don't have a problem with the accuracy of the report -- and I also don't have a problem with what it is reporting, unless and until I am given some reason to have a problem with it.

We have "lock down mode" here after every election. There I am, voluntarily spending several boring hours in a polling station, observing the voting process on behalf of my candidate. Then the clock strikes 8, and bingo, the doors are "tiled" -- sealed so that no one can get in or out. I'm trapped. And I stay trapped until all the ballots in all the boxes in the room have been counted. (Well, actually, they tend to let us out when our own poll's box is counted.)

And that is done for the security and integrity of the process going on there. It is done in the public interest. It affects people who voluntarily chose to be in the place where they are.

Were people not given the opportunity to leave the place you are talking about before lock down went into effect? Are they being confined for any longer than is necessary to ensure the security and integrity of the process taking place there? Are their own interests not being served by this process? Are they being mistreated? Do you have some brighter idea for getting benefits to people effectively and efficiently, and without the process being exploited and thus jeopardized by those who would take unfair advantage of it?

Feel free to answer any of these questions any time you like.

Do you happen to read anything you post, or anything anyone says in response to it or you?

[seemslikeadream]

23. That was the headline on CNN news

[iverglas]

26. and once again I'll ask

more bluntly, as seems to be necessary:

So . the . fuck . what ?

LOCKDOWN IN EFFECT AT LOCAL CHURCH

That's the headline that my local television station could broadcast at 8:05 on the next election day. And it would be 100% accurate. I would at that very moment be locked down in the daycare centre at the church down the street, being forced to watch people count ballots and screw the process up and drop things on the floor and get their envelopes mixed up, and, the truly yucky thing, breathing the same air as crews of Liberal and Conservative party members hanging around doing the same thing, and even feeling obliged to engage in polite chit chat with them.

And I would expect everybody to say:

So . the . fuck . what ?

Or, perhaps:

... And your point is ... ?

We seem to have a fact. You don't seem to be happy about that fact. Damned if I can figure out why. And damned if you seem to want to offer any good reason for thinking this bit of non-earth-shaking news deserves all this attention.

[seemslikeadream]

32. You are giving it all the attention haven't you noticed and why aren't

you here instead of here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4694968

Could it be the poster?

[iverglas]

38. gee ...

Could it be because I haven't read the GD forum for more than a couple of minutes in days, and your thread started out in LBN, and when I went to submit a post I had composed, I discovered it had been moved?

Noooooo ... there has to be some far more nefarious explanation than that for it.

Could it be that you think my person-recognition skills are far better than they are? I assure you, that was my worst flaw as a political candidate. I don't tend to recognize people I've slept with.

[seemslikeadream]

40. Sure

whatever

[iverglas]

42. ah, I lie

Check out the url of the post I was replying to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1763494&mesg_id=1763621

in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1763494

which now consists of a post saying:

This topic is locked.

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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts)
Thu Sep-08-05 11:23 AM
Original message

Lock Down Mode at the Astrodome Reliant Center

Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 10:41 AM by seemslikeadream

This topic has been moved by the moderator of this forum.
It can be found at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4695116

(the thread we are now in)

and in which I had already posted, while it was in LBN.

All of which you do know, of course.

Which would be why you were not saying that I was lying, of course.

Still doesn't explain why you insinuated something that wasn't true in the first place, but ... whatever, eh?

[seemslikeadream]

43. You won't give it up even when I agree with you?

hmmmm

protest too much?

[Name removed]

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[iverglas]

30. don't know what I'm talking about?

You've been asked: what is YOUR proposal for a method to get the aid in question to the people for whom it is intended, safely, efficiently and without duplication or fraud?

Tattooing numbers on everybody given a card, so they couldn't come back and get another one -- or tattooing numbers on everybody entitled to a card, so non-entitled people couldn't butt in line and get one ... or heck, tattooing numbers on everyone *not* entitled to a card, which would probably take a little longer -- would work pretty well.

Personally, I find a temporary lockdown to be a far more minimal interference in people's liberty and security and thus far more acceptable, even if it doesn't provide quite the assurances that a tattooing policy would.

And your proposal was ...?

[seemslikeadream]

47. iverglas says

You've been asked: what is YOUR proposal for a method to get the aid in question to the people for whom it is intended, safely, efficiently and without duplication or fraud?

Tattooing numbers on everybody given a card, so they couldn't come back and get another one -- or tattooing numbers on everybody entitled to a card, so non-entitled people couldn't butt in line and get one ... or heck, tattooing numbers on everyone *not* entitled to a card, which would probably take a little longer -- would work pretty well.

Personally, I find a temporary lockdown to be a far more minimal interference in people's liberty and security and thus far more acceptable, even if it doesn't provide quite the assurances that a tattooing policy would.

And your proposal was ...?

.............

iverglas says

"You've been asked: what is YOUR proposal for a method to get the aid in question to the people for whom it is intended, safely, efficiently and without duplication or fraud?"

seemslikeadream says

Why would you ask me this? It makes no sense, I NEVER gave my opinion on the story.

............

iverglas says

"Tattooing numbers on everybody given a card, so they couldn't come back and get another one -- or tattooing numbers on everybody entitled to a card, so non-entitled people couldn't butt in line and get one ... or heck, tattooing numbers on everyone *not* entitled to a card, which would probably take a little longer -- would work pretty well."

seemslikeadream says

Second, third time you've brought up the word tatoo. Why is that? I NEVER mentioned the word tatoo. I NEVER gave my opinion on the story.


iverglas says

"And your proposal was ...?"

seemslikeadream says

I NEVER posted one or intend to, just posting a news story

[txindy]

16. I thought they were each wearing color-coded, ID bracelets.

The non-removable, hospital-type bracelet. But, I agree, they need to determine that no one gets more than one card. What I don't understand, though, is why the lockdown now when it is only the paperwork process being worked through today. I thought the actual cards would take days to arrive before they're handed out. :shrug:

[gkhouston]

21. those were the FEMA cards that were going to take 7 days

these are Red Cross cards. Less money, shorter wait, is my understanding. And yes, they do have bracelets.

[txindy]

34. Ah, got it. Thanks for that info.

And I thought I saw the ID bracelets in many pictures. I just wasn't certain if they are used throughout the whole process in every state helping to care for the survivors.

I'm glad they're getting these cards. It'll help them feel a bit more in control of their own lives (incl. financial decisions, no matter how small or large) given the circumstances they find themselves in right now.

[gkhouston]

44. I don't know if they're being used everywhere, but it wouldn't

surprise me. It allows them to come and go at the shelter without digging out ID every time since the bracelets quickly identify them as bona fide residents. And yes, they need some discretionary cash, even if it doesn't seem like much.

[gkhouston]

45. I don't know if they're being used everywhere, but it wouldn't

surprise me. It allows them to come and go at the shelter without digging out ID every time since the bracelets quickly identify them as bona fide residents. And yes, they need some discretionary cash, even if it doesn't seem like much.

[unrepuke]

35. They could put purple ink on their finger.

:evilgrin:

[seemslikeadream]

46. iverglas says

iverglas (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-08-05 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
6. for pity's sake ... again ...
Might it just be possible that without any way of identifying people, they kind of want to be sure that people aren't going out one door and back in the other and collecting multiple cards?

Of course that couldn't be the case. Every victim of a disaster is a saint.

Hey, if they tattooed numbers on them to make sure no duplication of benefits was going on, would that make you happy?

.................

I never commented on the story from CNN. I only posted what was reported on the screen of my television.

Why would you ask me such questions?

I NEVER said every victim of a disaster is a saint or anything like that ever.

Why would you assume I cared at all about duplication of benefits or that it would make me happy or unhappy for that matter. I've NEVER posted anything about that.


Are you confusing me with someone else?

[Whoa_Nelly]

8. CNN just stated in lockdown WHILE the cards are distributed

Makes sense.

[Roland99]

13. Bingo. Patience people. We all know BREAKING NEWS changes

wildly at first.

[sattahipdeep]

10. Will Q see?

"On a scale from one to 10, I would give it an 11," said A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard , the CIA's
former No. 3 official and a former investment banker. "It's done so well even Congress is
taking credit for it."

In-Q-Tel

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/14/AR2005081401108.html

[tx_dem41]

12. This of course makes complete sense.

I'm sure they are concerned about giving out cards to the evacuees that need them, and not to people trying to take advantage of the needs of those people.

[seemslikeadream]

15. And I'm sure there are 1000's of people ready to stand in line with all

evacuees for hours and hours to get that card

[tx_dem41]

18. You bet they are. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

19. Sure and Santa Clause is there too

[tx_dem41]

24. Keep living in a world where there aren't people willing to defraud.

Me? I want the money/services to go to the people that deserve it.

[seemslikeadream]

27. Now you can't tell me this time you don't remember me

can't you?

can't use that excuse this time it hasn't been that long ago

[tx_dem41]

28. a few hundred posts ago.....

I remember someone saying something similar to me last time. Believe me...I'm not trying to be rude. I apologize.

[seemslikeadream]

29. then why are you here instead of here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4694968

[tx_dem41]

33. Ohhh...now you're just trying to trap me... :)

You devil, you! Good talking with you. I promise next time I will remember the person who I tend to be a thorn in the side to.

Again, good talking to you, sincerely.

[seemslikeadream]

20. Why can't they hand out CASH like they're doin' in Iraq?

[tx_dem41]

25. Ummm...what does that have to do with the Red Cross handing out...

debit cards in Houston?

[gkhouston]

17. *Exactly*. The evacuees have been coming and going

freely before now; I very much doubt this lockdown is anything other than a temporary inconvenience.

[Beelzebud]

31. Do the victims still have their constitutional rights?

I haven't seen this asked 1 time, and I think it is a very important question.

[txaslftist]

36. A what kind of right? Did you say Constipational?

the constitution's been abrogated due to the 'temporary' emergencies in Iraq and New Orleans. Take your happy pill and go on about your business. Nothing to see here, citizen. The government will take care of you.

No more of this unAmerican "constitution" talk out of you.

[sattahipdeep]

37. Good question n/t

[iverglas]

39. has the sky fallen?

Is there some reason to ask either question? Some reason to think either that the sky has fallen or that the victims have lost their constitutional rights?

It might be a very important question if there were some reason to ask it.

[sattahipdeep]

41. Ya......bits an pieces for five years

Where have you been?

[dbeach]

48. what constitution?

martial law removes the us constitution in that area.

but what constitution.??.Patsy Act to catch uncatchable criminals removes your constitutional rts whenever the executive branch decides
but its OK for some ..It Never can happen here?? not in the USA..not in bush america..

BTW When is wanted dead or alive bin laden gonna get caught?

OH its time to move on SORRY??

"As long as I was dictator."

King George Bush the second = KGB II