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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:27 PM
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THE IMAGES FEMA DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE (**graphic**)
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:31 PM
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1. Thanks, sabra
They're our fellow citizens. We have the right to know.

Now just try and take it from us, Nero...
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:32 PM
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2. kick!
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:36 PM
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3. Thanks. Notice the poor *living* pets. Help them here:
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:41 PM
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4. the one picture with the dead body next to the dead pet
is especially sad to me. I can't even figure out which side of the body I'm looking at it's so mangled, but the person and the pet managed to stay together until the end somehow.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:49 PM
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5. I don't think the animal in that picture is dead. Unfortunately
I think it might be looking for something to eat...
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DanHam1212 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:12 PM
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6. GOOGLE Being CENSORED?
Do an "IMAGE" search for "Hurricane Katrina" on google and you get two
pages of weather pictures (nothing on human suffering).

Now do the same "Image" search on yahoo, and you get MANY graphic pictures.....
Is google being censored?
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:47 PM
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9. That is really odd
Makes you wonder . . .
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RageFist Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:48 PM
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10. Or censoring themselves to protect bush...FASCIST NATION!!
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 03:49 PM by RageFist
Fuck this shit this is incredible!

:grr:

Edit: oh and the ones on yahoo are "temporarily unavailable" when you click to view them
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:48 PM
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11. Google is always quite heavily censored, I think we've determined.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:04 PM
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54. Keep your shirt on son, Google images is always months behind.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:36 PM
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7. they took the page down
"MY APOLOGIES, BUT I HAVE HAD TO PULL THESE PICTURES. AN UNKOWN PARTY, WHOSE INITIALS ARE PROBABLY F.E.M.A. IS BOMBARDING THIS PAGE WITH PACKETS AND THE SERVER WAS BEING SWAMPED. THE GOVERNMENT LIKES TO PLAY DIRTY."
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:37 PM
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8. holy crap!
this is not America!
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:53 PM
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16. whoever took this down
will pay. You dirty fascists will float face down in the rising tide of true American freeedom!
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:56 PM
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20. Motherfuckers!
:mad:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:05 PM
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43. It was probably DU.
Better get some bandwidth, Rivero. :D
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:49 PM
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12. sonofabitches took the site down.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:28 AM
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66. who took the site down?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:49 PM
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13. "Out of respect for the dead..."
There will be hell to pay.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:49 PM
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14. Did anyone cache the page?
or copy the photos before it was taken down?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:50 PM
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15. Can we get a mirror up?
Preferably several mirrors? Does anybody have contacts at whatreallyhappened.com ?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:54 PM
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17. The images had to be pulled due to attacks. Here's the message there now:

MY APOLOGIES, BUT I HAVE HAD TO PULL THESE PICTURES. AN UNKOWN PARTY, WHOSE INITIALS ARE PROBABLY F.E.M.A. IS BOMBARDING THIS PAGE WITH PACKETS AND THE SERVER WAS BEING SWAMPED. THE GOVERNMENT LIKES TO PLAY DIRTY.

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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:11 PM
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23. Not any more...
Now it says:

MY APOLOGIES, BUT I HAVE HAD TO PULL THESE PICTURES. AN UNKOWN PARTY IS BOMBARDING THIS PAGE WITH PACKETS AND THE SERVER WAS BEING SWAMPED.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:54 PM
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18. OMG
Somebody mirror the site!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:56 PM
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19. FEMA ADMITS IT--see here
NEW ORLEANS, Sept 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. government agency leading the rescue efforts after Hurricane Katrina said on Tuesday it does not want the news media to take photographs of the dead as they are recovered from the flooded New Orleans area.http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2005-09-07T005629Z_01_N06101601_RTRIDST_0_KATRINA-PHOTOGRAPHS.XML

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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:07 PM
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55. Don't be Daft. FEMA not censoring websites. Lots of body pics on the web.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:59 AM
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75. From the same article
"We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mailed response to a Reuters inquiry.

As the waters recede, the images will be horrifying. The odd body in the water that we have seen thus far is one thing, ten of them tethered to a phone pole is another.

FEMA may not be censoring websites, but they are censoring the photography. Without pictures, there will be no websites.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:56 PM
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21. Deleted message
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:06 PM
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22. I copied them, we all should lest they disappear.
If the whole country could see these, and if they reacted as I did, Bush and buddies would be out of the White House within a month.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:12 PM
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24. Is there a way you can post them, here or somewhere else?
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:24 PM
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26. a mod deleted my link
so I guess you won't see them at all.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:32 PM
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33. Whaaaa?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:35 PM
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34. Did you put GRAPHIC in the subject line
you need to warn folks when you post graphic photos. The worst from Iraq have been allowed with warnings I can not imagine them deleting US citizen deaths without a rule violation.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:39 PM
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35. I did put WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC in the message box...
maybe that the images were too 'extreme'. Unfortunately, I believe we're dealing with an extreme situation too.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:42 PM
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36. that may be
this is a really hard time for all americans right now. Well, all americans that have a heart which excludes republicans. Perhaps now is not the time for the photos. :cry:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:38 PM
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50. as for your link, it was to the "gore for porn" site orgish. It's a porn
site and not welcome here. Even you admitted you weren't sure they were the same pics.

Thanks for your understanding.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:11 PM
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56. Yup. I understand now n/t
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:28 PM
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28. apparently, DU doesn't want you to see these either
I'm a bit concerned here. What's up, mods? Are they too graphic?
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:32 PM
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32. Perhaps you can pm them to some people? n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:03 PM
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42. I think it's because there's a chance someone may find out
a loved one is dead through the photos.

And as for the identifiable individuals, most of us would not want our families on display like that. I will say that were I a victim of Katrina and Bush's pro-active neglect, I would not care if an image of my own corpse were out there as an image of what has been wrought through their heinous inaction.

They are horrific,heart rending and show the complete indignity of being left to die and having your remains neglected in the midst of an incompetent, uncaring response.

We may have once been the greatest nation, but no more. There is only one way to turn this battered country around.

The administration must leave or be properly removed.

I wish I had never seen the images.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:40 PM
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59. It might make them feel better to have record of what happened to
their loved one. Sometimes people who have no evidence of a death will always think there's a chance they could show up some day. And there's the fact that they want to have mass burials and they aren't letting the media in.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:44 PM
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40. Posted to the wrong thread--- n/t
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 04:46 PM by converted_democrat
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:13 PM
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25. I see you are being
bombarded. I will check back later. Thanks for posting this!

Jenn
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:27 PM
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27. Images gone... (eom)
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lynch03 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:29 PM
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29. Someone post them, or send them to me or something..
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danalytical Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:30 PM
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30. Post them up somewhere else
Cmon don't let this die.
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lynch03 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:32 PM
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31. I really wanna see 'em
need info.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:43 PM
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37. DAMMIT! someone post them again!
I've been looking for them but can't ever find any.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:44 PM
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38. Nothing there. Did anyone save them? You can use photobucket
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:44 PM
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39. Read the link; the site was deliberately bombarded with packets...
and thereby forced to shut down lest its server be destroyed. Significantly, this unprecedented imposition of censorship by technical attack tends to substantiate the stories floating around a few days ago about the government jamming or otherwise obstructing or cutting all "unauthorized" commo channels (including cell phones) out of New Orleans. At the time -- though I have no doubt what happened to New Orleans was deliberate genocide by neglect -- I dismissed many of these communications-censorship allegations as tinfoil hattery. But now the more evidence I see, the more I am driven to the conclusion that the Bush Administration is taking off its proverbial gloves, moving ever-closer to bare-knuckled and defiant fascist tyranny -- which means that absolutely nothing should be dismissed as unthinkable (no matter how tinfoil-hat paranoid it might have seemed even a few days ago).

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:32 AM
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63. Though this is "preaching to the choir" you may want to see this
New World Orleans: Microcosm for the "New America"
Special report on the elite police state takeover

Steve Watson | September 5 2005

Imagine an America where everyone is displaced. It's survival of the fittest as all law and order has broken down. Martial law has been declared with 24 hr curfews, Posse Comitatus has been overturned and there are troops on the streets shooting anyone who disobeys their orders. Thousands and thousands of people are starving but the authorities will not allow aid in any significant amounts. Large crowds are quelled with the use of sonic lasers, whilst overhead drone aircraft monitor the area, checking for any anomalous activity.

Any form of Local and State government has been abandoned and officials have been forcibly removed against their wills. The elite infiltrators of the Federal Government watch on from afar, in control of everything, answering to no one and getting fat off the profits of their own corrupt inactivity which brought about the situation in the first instance. They like it that way, it suits them down to the ground, why should they do anything to improve the situation?

This is the nightmare situation of a New World Order takeover in America. It is what we have been warning the world about for years. It is no longer some distant possibility on the horizon that our children may have to endure and fight against, it is here, it is now. New Orleans is a testing ground for this exact scenario, all this is going on there now. We are witnessing in New Orleans, the construction of a microcosm for a "New America" and a New World Order."
-more
http://infowars.net/Pages/Sept05/050905New_World_Orleans.htm

Worth reading the article; the writer uses many links to news stories recounting the unfolding horror to make his point.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:55 PM
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41. could someone email me the pics? i want to see.
why are the mods poofing the posts with these pics? doesn't make sense. what is going on around here?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:27 PM
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44. Deleted message
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:55 PM
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45. PICS PULLED?!?! say they being flooded! 7:52est 9/8/05
screen said they are being overrun.. get a mirror up plz someone..

Reality is sometimes not pretty... but Americans need to see what has happened... and why!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:56 PM
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46. Did anyone copy these onto their hard drives? n/t
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:00 PM
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47. Take a look at this post.
FEMA does not want Americans to see the evidence.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:03 PM
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48. Has anyone posted them yet?
Someone please send them to me and I'll host them myself. We cannot allow this censorship to continue.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:12 PM
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49. Try this, i don't know if these our the same.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:00 PM
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53. Thank you for posting
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 08:01 PM by me b zola
People of New Orleans, I stand with you.

A horrific crime was committed against you and I am sickened to my very core.

I mourn for you.

I seethe with anger for you.

I saw what was done to you.

The world watched as this crime against humanity was committed against you.

I will rise up with you. I will march with you. I will fight for justice with you. I will mourn with you.

I am so, so sorry.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:13 AM
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64. Our generation's "Trail of Tears" - Bush's Slaughter of New Orleans
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I have never been so sick to my stomach in my life with anger, fury, sadness, pain, shame....

I second everything you said!
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Witchy_Dem Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:45 PM
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51. This person has been collecting and posting pics. WARNING!
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:54 PM
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52. Thank you
These stories need to be told.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:16 PM
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57. Morning Sedition today - The alligators will stay away from Cheney
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 08:59 PM by Synnical
Due to Professional Courtesy.

Pic




Actually, Alligators are pretty docile creatures, so long as they have food and water to live in (oh, and they sleep a great deal) - they're amazing creatures, actually. Been around like, forever! (Doing my best Valley Girl imitation.) But humans have invaded their territory and they are threatened, by, US!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:21 PM
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58. Thank you for posting that.
It was really hard looking through all that. Phew. But I saved a lot of them. Another person with a visual record.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:05 PM
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61. This Is Not The America My Dad Fought for in WWII
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 09:05 PM by leftchick
It is so far gone. And he is 86 years old and pre-dementia and he recognizes it!

:cry:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:11 PM
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62. Thank you for the link.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:58 PM
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60. Fucking bastards!
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:25 AM
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65. Poisonous Website, though
WhatReallyHappened.com has a habit of blaming the Jews for every problem they ever have as if thier leaders are always provoking everything, as if they are always wrong. I'm a critic of the State of Israel, but dammit, this guy has a habit of going too far.

So unfortunately, this is NOT the kind of site you want to use as a source. It is FAR from reliable, it is VERY tainted.

In the past he spent so much time defending holocaust revisionism and making exaggerated statements to blame Israel for everything and anything from the very beginning of its history, that he is poisonous to the left. Again, I am very critical of the policies of the State of Israel, and any state really, as you can't pin all the evil in the world on one little state, as Rivero does, without being rightly considered prejudiced and ridiculously biased.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:40 AM
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72. whatever. so the photos are faked? yeah, right.
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 07:01 PM
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78. Faked or not the website is what it is
A broken clock might be correct twice a day, it's still a broken clock.

There are websites that can have any number of real facts on them, real images. But if the website is sufficiently toxic for some reason or another, it doesn't make a great source.

WhatReallyHappened/Mike Rivero plays a part in a trend of certain sectors of the extreme right to cater to and reach out to some segments of the left. I don't like to refer to such source, because of the part they are playing in a phenomenon that is toxic. Whether what is said has truth in it or not.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:34 AM
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67. Has a single person in this thread actually seen the alleged photos?
Seriously. Anyone?

I'm not a fan of whatreallyhappened.com, I don't think they're entirely reliable, and this entire thing reeks of rotten fish to me.

Nobody in this thread has even described the photos.

Who has seen the "Images FEMA does not want you to see"? Who?

Describe them, then.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:41 AM
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68. Just a wild guess....
I'd say there's a good likelihood that Sabra (OP) has.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:31 AM
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69. I saw them yesterday. all of them were of
bodies. It was quite distasteful and sickening. I could only look at 3 of them but it seems like there were around 20 pictures all together.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:43 AM
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73. I have seen them and you can too at this different link
http://www.spiritrockicefire.com/neworleansdead/

I don't think that is all of them though

what's "fishy" about it? you actually think the photos were faked? sheesh.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:26 AM
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77. I wasn't implying that they were fake...
... so sheesh, yourself.

I just find it odd that this thread is pretty big, and nobody's actually talking about the pictures. They're just talking about why the pictures aren't there.

And FEMA might not want anyone to see the photos in your link, but one of them, for example, was on the front page of the New York Times. Another was on the front page of USA Today's online edition, so nobody's trying to hide those particular photos.
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:33 AM
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70. It's down
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 03:34 AM by strategery blunder
What I got:


"MY APOLOGIES, BUT I HAVE HAD TO PULL THESE PICTURES. AN UNKOWN PARTY IS BOMBARDING THIS PAGE WITH PACKETS AND THE SERVER WAS BEING SWAMPED."

:tinfoilhat: Homeland Security, maybe?:eyes::tinfoilhat:
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:04 AM
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76. They added the FEMA part again!!!
THE IMAGES FEMA DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE




MY APOLOGIES, BUT I HAVE HAD TO PULL THESE PICTURES. AN UNKOWN PARTY IS BOMBARDING THIS PAGE WITH PACKETS AND THE SERVER WAS BEING SWAMPED.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:25 AM
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71. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NEW LINK- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thanks to Mike at whatreallyhappened.com:

http://www.spiritrockicefire.com/neworleansdead
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:47 AM
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74. Some I've seen.......
others I haven't. Wow.
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