Confessions of a former freeper

[Seen the light]

Hi there DU. I never thought I would actually be making a topic here but I'm going to post some of my experiences in the past year to show you how there still is hope that this country can turn around.

Some of my background: I was born and raised an evangelical Christian. My family has always been very active in the GOP. My dad even headed up our local chapter of the Christian Coalition back in the mid '90s. I've been to the Road to Victory conferences in both Washington and Atlanta. Basically, I was just about as right-wing and Republican as they came.

I was known during high school as the big Republican guy. I would go around preaching my words of wisdom of how wise a man Bush was and how just about everything he did was the right decision. I would get into heated arguments with my history teachers and I would tell them how Joe McCarthy and Nixon were misunderstood.

Last year, I proudly slapped a Bush/Cheney bumpersticker on the back of my car. I walked into the voting booth November 2nd and stuck it to John Kerry by voting for Bush. I had recently heard about some fringe website called Democratic Underground. I logged on that night laughing as all of you were crying and espousing what I thought were cockamamie conspiracy theories about voter fraud.

Then...it all started to change. I believe it was back in January that the thing about Armstrong Williams being on the government payroll started leaking out. I thought it was a joke or something by the liberal media. I did a little digging and found out that it was indeed true. Then I started to be disappointed with Bush going to his fancy balls for his big inaugural gala, while there were people dying in Iraq. Little by little, my faith started waning.

I kept coming to DU to see what I felt were the latest conspiracy theories about Bush. The Guckert/Gannon thing surprised me, but I still wasn't anti-Bush just yet. No, that didn't happen until the Downing Street Memo popped up. I felt betrayed and disgusted when I read it. When Congressman Walter Jones finally stood up to Bush and was relentlessly hounded around here in the Charlotte, NC area where I live (WBT has......interesting hosts. A Libertarian, then Rush Limbaugh, then Jason Lewis, then another Libertarian. Oh, another thing, be glad you don't live down here where you can hear Jason Lewis. He makes Rush Limbaugh look like a lefty in comparison) I finally had the cover to come out against the war and the president.

Ever since I made that major step, it seems like I've been against everything the Chimp has done. This has resulted in some painful moments between me and my family. They still support Bush, but thankfully had started blaming him in part for the pathetic response to Katrina.

So let me apologize for rambling. I just want you all to know that there is hope for you all. People CAN change their fundamental views on things when presented the right evidence. I did. I just wish I had done it earlier so I wouldn't feel like I have blood on my hands for voting for that monster.

[Maple]

1. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Seen the light]

4. Thanks

And thanks to all others that may welcome me here.

[CrackpotAmerica]

73. KICKED: Welcome back to reality!

I know it is difficult to change what you believe. But consider it growth.

Just as all Republicans are not evil and all Dems are not saintly, you have chosen to address the great complexity of humanity objectively.

That is all that many of us ask of people, to be objective. To visualize the notion that people wish to corrupt the faith and values of those who sway to their side.

Kudos to you, young American!

[RageFist]

129. Maybe it should be "welcome TO reality" without the back :) n/t

[CottonBear]

2. Welcome to DU Seen the light! You have, indeed, seen the light.

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

3. Welcome to you. I hope others follow your fine example.

:toast:

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Welcome to DU! *wave* If you need something to do

there is an activism alert in the thread in my sig line, and the other link leads to the election reform page of my site, which also has a page about liberal christianity if that interests you. :hi:

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[Seen the light]

7. I appreciate it and will give it a look

[txindy]

6. Better late than never. It took courage to admit you were wrong

I certainly can't fault you for seeking to educate yourself and then making up your own mind.

Welcome to DU! :patriot:

[defiant1]

8. Wow....

Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

:toast:

:patriot:

[cbear70]

9. Welcome to du

Good to have you here, excellent post.

[AspenRose]

10. Welcome to DU

I'm married to a Republican. He's a PK (preacher's kid). My prayer is to hear him say exactly what you had the courage to say here. This time last year our home was a war zone (and I was pregnant at the time. It was like living on the set of Crossfire 24/7).

You deserve praise for having the courage to come here (you have to have a thick skin to be here!) and admit where you felt you went wrong.

Just remember that this is a BIG TENT, and while you may find other progressive Christians here interested in peace and social justice, you'll also find secular atheists and agnostics. We may not all agree but we do try to respect each other.

Thanks for your courage.

[Seen the light]

21. It didn't come easy

Doing a complete 180 on a matter like this was very painful and like I said, it has brought much strife into my family.

And thanks.

[blm]

120. Show your family research on BCCI-Bush-Pakistan, and Bush-Sun Myung Moon

I am quite sure they'll be disgusted by what they learn.

If they are the LEFT BEHIND types, they will be further disgusted to learn about the use of fundamentalism as a political tool via mindcontrol techniques gleaned from RevMoon. See Moon's longtime involvement with Tim LaHaye, Jerry Falwell, and many other religious "leaders" of the right.

btw...I'm in Charlotte. What part are you in?

[Olney Blue]

264. I'm sorry about the strife.

I look forward to seeing more of you around here.

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

291. Yes!

There is a DU group for those of us who are Christians and progressives. It's not quite as active though. I'm a progressive Christian myself. Feel free to PM me if you want!

[Postman]

11. Welcome. Read this book...

actually two;;

"A Peoples History Of The United States"

"Passionate Declarations"

both authored by Howard Zinn.

They will open your eyes. They did me. I used to be a rightwing republican. I served 5 years in the US Navy...

There is the history we are all taught and there is the history they don't tell you about.

[FreedomAngel82]

294. Exactly

Those who are in power make the history.

[degreesofgray]

384. agree on Zinn

I loved "A People's History of the United States." I read it when I was in college, and should pick it up again sometime. What is particularly strong about Zinn's book is that he uses so many first-hand sources.

"Lies My Teacher Told Me," by James W. Loewen, is also very worthwhile.

[Bluebear]

12. "there is hope for you all" --- that includes YOU now brother or sister

We're glad to have you. Let me tell you, about blood on your hands: listen, there has been so much misinformation and cloaking of information by this administration that your voting for him is understood. I'm sorry for what's going on with you and your family, keep trying to get some truth into them and good luck. It won't be easy.

But you have family here now too. Welcome.

[Just Me]

13. I'm glad you're here and that you had the courage to confront,...

,...the truth, which is a painful experience. :hug:

[back2basics909]

14. Thank you for posting...

.. this kind of post always gives me hope.

Welcome back :)

[demzilla]

15. Welcome to DU

And to a place where real American values -- equality of opportunity, compassion, and strength through the wise use of our human and natural resources -- have a home. You have a home here, too!

[Melodybe]

16. Thanks, welcome aboard, bring your friends

kicked and nominated.

[Bluebear]

34. Hell yeah, if you bring 5 converts you get a free toaster

Not really.

[Melodybe]

57. If he can convert 5 of his freeper friends I'll buy him a toaster

[cry baby]

17. Welcome, Seen the light!

:toast: Welcome to the awakening.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

18. Welcome to DU, and welcome to the land of the thinking...

You took the time to find out the truth. You took the time to dig around and not believe what people told you. You took the time to seriously analyze the world around you and try to figure out what the hell is going on. Anyone who does that is always welcome here

:hi:

[SheepyMcSheepster]

19. welcome to DU!

from another NC'er

:hi:

[Catrina]

20. Welcome

I'm glad that you were unwilling to turn a blind eye to the truth ~ I hope others will follow you, and that soon your family too, will see the light ~ :-)

[cynatnite]

22. Welcome!

I do continue to have hope, but the difference between you and my RW mother is that you are willing to listen and look for the truth yourself.

She will not. No matter the facts in front of her and no matter how blatant it is, she will support bushco because he is 'christian'. In her eyes, when anyone criticizes bush, they are criticizing christianity. There are some that far gone. My hubby told me the other day to give up.

My In-laws, who voted for bush twice, after seeing what happened in the Gulf States want all of them impeached and kicked out of office. My father-in-law wants them jailed. They were huge bush fans up until katrina.

Hope remains.

[FreedomAngel82]

298. Wow

So the war doesn't do it. The economy doesn't do it. But a storm. Wow. Simply wow. I just don't know what to say.

[ForrestGump]

300. It wasn't JUST a storm

It was the aftermath, the slow response. The non-response. Regardless of anything else, and there's some wacky stuff going on down there (even by the most parsimonious of standards this is obvious from what local authorities have said), the loss of those lives -- certainly the vast majority of deaths resulting from Katrina -- was in GW Bush's hands. Even if he was an innocent bystander, and his lack of action (and very much etc) proves that he wasn't, the buck stops at his desk. Well, it's supposed to...by default. The enormity of this crime along the Gulf coast and the fact that, this time, the mainstream news media let the mask slip, would be enough to get to anyone with a conscience.

And it sounds like our new comrade (no, really, we're not commies...really) was already there, despite the best efforts of an administration that cntrols most of what Americans see and hear. That's not an easy thing, making such a thorough paradigm shift, especially when it puts you at odds with not just your family but much of what you've believed in your life before.

Welcome to DU, Seen the light. You might have noticed that it can get crazy here and that we don't always agree on everything (just as well, I say) but, hey, that's what happens in a microcosmic melting pot. Have fun, learn, and teach... :hi:

[Courtesy Flush]

336. Nah

Like Seen The Light said, dissatisfaction was already growing. It was the war. It was the stupidity. It was Halliburton. It was all of it.

I think the storm was the last straw because it is so huge, plus it underscores Bush's total neglect of domestic issues.

[Dem Agog]

23. Howdy neighbor!

I would guess you're one of the ones whose Bush/Cheney bumperstickers I've noticed have disappeared over the last month..

I live in the area as well. Just moved down here from a more "blue" state. It's been... interesting... If you're Christian and conservative, I'm all for that...

But Jesus would never have stood up for the things this administration is doing. I know that for certain.

Glad to have you here.

[Seen the light]

40. Well...

I am indeed a Christian and am still probably a little more conservative than most people here on some issues. However, on the things that count, I'm in line with the vast majority of people here. Trust me, I've been lurking here for a while. :)

[JDPriestly]

114. Being Republican is inconsistent with being Christian.

Jesus taught us that the most important Commandment is to "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself." The Republicans, as we see in their theory and philosophy as well as in their practice in NO, in Iraq, after 9/11, in the tax cuts, simply do not follow Jesus's teaching.

Republicans put the original Ten Commandments, which I find relatively easy to follow, before the Commandment that Jesus taught us was the most important. Never have I heard Republicans ask to have this most important of the Commandments, which is central to both Jewish and Christian beliefs, displayed anywhere. Republicans would like to forget that Commandment. It would actually require them to open their hearts to other people, even those who disagree with them.

And, indeed, as we see in NO, Republicans do not attempt to carry out that most important Commandment in governing our country. Can you imagine what Jesus would say to us about how we are/have been treating the poor of New Orleans? I would not want to be George Bush on the judgment day he supposedly strongly believes in.

The sad thing is that many Democrats have been intimidated into betraying or denying the importance of Jesus's beloved Commandment by the "Bleeding Heart Liberal" label, the attack on Humanism and the lies about anyone who speaks against the Republican me-first-ism. I am a Unitarian, but I believe strongly in the teachings of Jesus, and especially in the admonition to "Love They Neighbor as Thyself."

Welcome to DU. We need your Christian voice. Don't be annoyed by people who seem to insult your religion. They are, as am I, offended by the hypocrisy, the misplaced emphasis, not by Jesus's morality and teachings.

[FreedomAngel82]

299. Exactly

I as a Christian and a democrat get so upset about all that. They think if you're a Christian your automatically a republican and you're only a Christian if you're anti-gay and against abortion and "pro-life". But yet they don't stand for anything that makes life. Look at their policies. *sigh* It's so frustrating how they've manipulated religion to get what they want politically and to make tons of money. :cry:

[TroglodyteScholar]

192. I thought you'd probably been lurking a while...

When you called Bush "the Chimp" toward the end of your post ;)

:hi:
Welcome to DU

[Raksha]

24. It sounds like you're quite young.

It's easier for young people to change when exposed to the truth than for older people whose defenses and rationalizations seem set in stone. Anyway, welcome to DU!!! We're delighted to have you on our side.

[Seen the light]

29. College sophomore

And thanks.

[Snotcicles]

61. Welcome STL Want something that will stop your family in there

tracks? Get all the info you can on Bunnatine Greenhouse. Maybe someday they will thank you.

[I Have A Dream]

119. I was in Campus Crusade for Christ when I was a freshman...

in college. I decided that this didn't work for me because I felt that they really tried to control what I thought. Since then, I'm still extremely spiritual, but I don't let other people decide what's right for me to believe. Sounds like you came to the same conclusion at least politically.

I so appreciate your posting this, Seen the light. I know that you've been lurking for a while so I know that you know how disheartened we feel most of the time. Stories like yours give us hope.

Welcome!

[FreedomAngel82]

308. I remember about a year or two ago

seeing this segment on MSNBC and it was about a Christian cult. This girl was at college and away from home and met some people who appeared to share her faith. But as she got more into the group they showed this was a Christian cult. She could only talk to them and couldn't talk to outsiders about things they talked about etc, and they said she could only eat this or that etc and just wanted to control her. Luckily she still had contact to some people outside of the group and helped her get out. I was just baffled and will always remember that.

[I Have A Dream]

339. I wouldn't call them a cult at all. They were just extremely...

conservative and followed the Bible to the letter rather than by its spirit. They were also very controlling. It was more about keeping its members from sinning. I understand what they were trying to do, but it wasn't for me, and I think that it interferes with many people's relationship with God/the Universe (whatever one chooses to call that force outside ourselves); at least that's what it did for me. It was a terrible experience for me, but it really helped me to understand fundamentalist Christianity.

One of the things that bothered them the most was being perceived as a cult. I have to agree with them that they didn't fit into the definition of a cult per se.

[phylny]

330. Same age as our oldest daughter.

Welcome to DU!

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Welcome to DU

I grew up somewhat apolitical/conservative/racist - no surprise in white, working class outer boro NYC, especially during the 80's and early 90's. I didn't really start developing a coherent political philosophy until I went to college, although I was always interested in history. In many ways, you're not letting a cult of personality get the better of you. You know that you have to apply the standards of right and righteousness to everybody, not just those you don't like. And when you do this, it is quite obvious that the Bush Administration (whatever we might think of Bush himself) is a monumental failure of governance. Welcome aboard, and great conversion narrative. Truly in the Christian tradition.

[Zynx]

26. I'm a former Republican myself. Welcome!

The Republicans became too much for me too.

[Wilber_Stool]

27. All is forgiven

Welcome home.

[Just Me]

28. BTW - you're not alone. Read, "Blinded by the Right".

Also, if you want to get the "big picture", a must read is "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" because it explains the real reasons why anti-Americanism is rampant around the globe.

[cascadiance]

357. Ditto on this recommendation of Confessions of an Economic Hitman!

Recommended from my mom who had it recommended to her by a reformed Republican as well. Had it recommended by many other different people too. Getting into it now and it is a very enlightening book.

[elehhhhna]

30. Welcome.

Suggest you lay off your parents--sounds like they're waking up in their own time--and it's a rude awakening, as you know. Thank you for an insightful post.

[jackster]

31. Bless you and welcome....

I applaud your courage and wish you all the best. Continue to speak out against the evil that has invaded the GOP and our country. We need more like you - I hope it's infectious!

[Chovexani]

32. Welcome to DU friend

And thanks for sharing your story. We're all in this together. :hug:

[Blue_In_AK]

33. Welcome, SeenTheLight...

I've been saying for months that Republicans like you are going to be the administration's biggest nightmare. Thank you very much for listening to your heart.

[Pithy Cherub]

35. Applaud your courage and welcome to DU: where it's

a large group of iron willed people with strong opinions who have no fear of the Truth in all its Glory.

Wishing you patience and success as you inform/reform your friends and other bushbots. Come here and you won't be alone! :hi:

[txaslftist]

36. Welcome!

My mom voted Republican all her life until the impeachment of Clinton. Sometimes it takes a display of shocking venality or dishonesty to show the true face of something.

Now she watches John Stewart religiously.

My grandfather fought in WWII and won a battlefield commission and numerous medals. He voted Democratic every election of his life. He said it was the working man's party and he was always a working man.

You will find a lot of wacky folks here with a lot of wacky ideas, but you will also find respect, tolerance, and people with a keen nose for finding the truth, even if it is a truth we don't like.

Hopefully you will find friends here, too.

[FreedomAngel82]

310. That's kind of like my mom

She voted republican all her life (As far as I know) until last year and then earlier this year she told our now mayor she was no longer a republican. I was very shocked. :) So it does happen.

[WePurrsevere]

37. It takes a lot of courage to admit one is wrong...

at least you can and have been intelligent enough to look past the spin and think for yourself. :)

Anyway... Hello and Welcome to DU. :hi:

[BillZBubb]

38. Welcome aboard!

I know many people on "that side" actually believe that they are fighting for the best interests of the country. If we could just get them to take some time and honestly look at the facts, many would finally see the real, irreparable damage being done to the US.

We are up against a very powerful propaganda machine.

[OC_Lars]

39. Thanks for the ray of hope

Just when I think there is no hope for this country, I hear a story like yours. More and more people are starting to think for themselves. I'm glad DU was able to help you make that change... I have a feeling it scares a lot of people off :-)

[laylah]

41. Welcome!

You couldn't have picked a better place to come for support and information! :toast:

Jenn

[puerco-bellies]

42. Welcome to DU and..

no more kool-aid for you..

[Love Bug]

43. Welcome to DU and good for you!

And I feel sorry for you for having to put up with that jerk Jason Lewis. He used to be here in Minnesota and we were glad when he moved away. Too bad NC is stuck with him!

Yes, people CAN change if they are willing to look at the evidence and not let their ego get in the way. We are hearing more and more stories every day of republicans who are finally getting disenchanted with Bush. Glad to hear you are one of them.

Again, welcome to DU.

[datadiva]

44. Oh Welcome!

That took some courage. It gives us all more hope. Again, Welcome!

[MN ChimpH8R]

45. A hearty welcome aboard this ship of (mostly) sanity

:toast: :hi:

And yes, Jason Lewis, who used to be up here in the Twin Cities, is completely out of his mind - batshit crazy :crazy:

[Cleita]

46. That's encouraging. When there seems to be no hope it's

offered from an unlikely place.

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[donco6]

47. Former Republican here, too.

Former fundamentalist as well. I saw the light in 1991. Never looked back.

Welcome to DU.

[Brother Buzz]

48. Welcome aboard and get ready to be deputized...

You are now deputized and tasked to talk with your Christian white-wing associates and show them the way to the light. I'd do it myself, but they stopped listening to me years ago. Thanks.

[Seen the light]

52. Ha, I'll try

I guess the one good thing about how wrapped up I was with the Republican Party is that I definitely know exactly what to say to friends and family that believe Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[phylny]

331. Wow, I didn't know people your age even KNEW that expression

(greatest thing since sliced bread).

That's something someone MY age would say :)

[Seen the light]

363. Trying to appeal to the older crowd here

:P

[Just Me]

148. Yep. Be prepared to a trial by fire these days. Trusting is difficult.

People have been betrayed and screwed a few times and feel ready to pounce if they have any inkling that another breach of trust is possible.

[NightOwwl]

49. Nominating for greatest page!

Thank you so much for sharing your story Seen the light. BushCo does a great job of hiding the truth from the American people. But there are cracks in their armor now...hopefully as more people begin to see who they really are they will see the light also!

:hi:

BTW, if you don't watch the Daily Show, start now! You will love it!

[Another Bill C.]

50. As a resident of Jason Lewis's former home,

I'd like to send my sincere condolences. Here in Minnesota, we had many fantasy scenarios in which JL would be removed but we really didn't wish him on anyone else.

[sui generis]

51. welcome! As long as you stay curious

and question what you know or think you know, you'll be able to make the best decisions with the information you have.

DU is a great crossroads of information and of people who give a damn and want things to be better for everyone, even freepers as much as we rag on them.

We've got your back - !

[libertypirate]

53. Change is tough but the true measure is that it happened. Great Post /nt

[TexasLady]

54. welcome!

I remember many years ago, I used to watch ol rushiepoo on his TV show. THen Id catch him on the radio.Iswear i dont remember back then in the nineties his being so full of filth. I used to think 'dittohead' was catchy and cute. But the more I listened to him the worse he got.I was much more middle of the road many moons ago.

Well thanks to BUSHIT the Armaggedon prez, All my middle ground thoughts went poof! out the window. I find myself leaning 'lefterer and lefterer' every day.

So..thanks George!

(ps, I heard on some forum that the NOLA locals are calling the flood Lake George.)

Welcome HOME!:hi:

[ourbluenation]

55. I'm very happy for your soul!!! Now, back to business...how can we reach

more like you? Since you were "over there" what can we do to open the eyes of others???

[RageFist]

175. Teach them the value of critical thinking, which many on the right lackn/t

[noahmijo]

56. Welcome! I'm sort of reminded of myself 2 years ago (please read)

I was never raised with the religious aspect but I had the whole dems are going to take our guns crap and to this day still have a hardcore republican dad whom I now bicker with, but it's a big step my friend to come out and see the light.

One thing I have to tell you about is the fact that here at DU it's a HUGE tent and although I am unsure of just how far left or different your views are now, I have to tell you that many of the posts you will see at DU range from extremely intelligent to hilarious to very radical....perhaps even more radical than you feel. You may even find yourself being hounded from time to time for not being to the left of Fidel BUT you have to understand DU is a VERY diverse group and your thoughts and opinions will more than likely spark overall a positive response.

So just the little heads up, enjoy your stay at DU I am sure like mine it will be a long one!

[mr blur]

58. Welcome from the UK too. Of course...

if you visit us over here you may find yourself pretending you're Canadian, at least until the Idiot Son is gone and the US returns to being the country you feel proud of again.:-)

[watrwefitinfor]

59. Welcome to DU. It is like coming home to be here.

:hi:

When I lived in Charlotte Harvey Gant was mayor, and things seemed a lot brighter than you describe them there now. But then, so did the whole country.

Wat

[Seen the light]

64. Charlotte's still a great city

It actually went from voting for Bush in 2000 to Kerry in '04. It's making a progress and of course it's still beautiful. Horrible mayor we have now though.

[Greylyn58]

311. Amen on that

I live in Charlotte also and wish someone of substance would run against McCrory. I sick of him. He's such a Bush smooocher and that in and of itself is totally disgusting.

In what part of Charlotte do you live? Oh and welcome to DU! :)

[FreedomAngel82]

312. Really?

I'm glad to hear that since my original home is Charlotte. :)

[stevietheman]

313. I lived there 1997-2000....

it has its ups and downs... major downs were a lack of park space inside the city, almost no historic preservation, and it was overly corporatized. Ups were great restaurants and shopping, and it seemed like a vibrant city in general.

[Duer 157099]

60. STL, I need some advice, maybe you can help

I have a group of friends who are just like how you were. What can I say to them to turn them around? I send them all of the news and articles that I know they're not likely to see, and they read or at least skim some of them, and yet they still come back with the most absurd illogical crap.

Is it doing any good, or is it just wasting my time and getting me angry for no reason?

Shall I stop trying?

Thanks for any help (I feel like this was a Dear Ann Landers letter!lol)

[Seen the light]

78. Depends on what you're talking about

What got my parents so upset about the Katrina fiasco was Cafferty's awesome rant on CNN. That combined with Shepard Smith's reporting on the ground has made them...not too pleased with Bush's response.

If you're talking about Iraq, bring up the point that we're sending our troops over there to die in order to establish what might amount to an Islamic theocracy. That's affected my parents at least somewhat hearing that.

[Duer 157099]

89. Oh, I've already gone down all of those roads

These are die-hard evangelical fundamentalist conservative Republicans, who are completely backwards in all of their thinking.

I send them all those articles that tell the truth, and they totally dismiss it. They have an amazing way of dismissing reality and facts.

I honestly don't get it, I can't understand how they can hold their positions.

As for Iraq, they think we should bomb the whole middle east and take it all over. I mean, that's the level we're talking about.

And, that all social programs should be completely eliminated, let the poor fend for themselves.

They refer to Dems as "nazis" -- now how in the world does that make sense??

These are intelligent people, too. That's what makes it so hard because I know that logic should win them over.

It's so hard (it's hard work!) talking to them.

[Seen the light]

101. Well then...

I really am sorry. I would love to be able to tell you all what the secret is. I guess you could try harping on gas prices over and over and over, that's seemed to work well with my friends.

Other than that, I don't know. It's the question of the ages why intelligent people can buy into sheer and obvious propaganda the way they do.

[RageFist]

159. Its called cognitive dissonance

[Wheezy]

62. Welcome

from another former republican. :hi:

Christian here as well--but when Bush began to preach about being called by God to take us to war in Iraq, I said goodbye to that party forever. I should have seen that the values of republicans did not fit my own personal values. It's so encouraging to see others come around that bend. I've never been more politically outspoken or socially active than I am now--it must be easier speaking out when you have truth on your side, lol. Good on you.

[wildeyed]

63. Welcome to DU!

I am from Charlotte, too. See you in the NC Forum.

:hi:

[IdaBriggs]

65. Welcome to DU. Now, please make the call asking him to resign.

The phone number is [phone] or you can leave a message at [phone]. The hours are 9 to 5 EST, and its a big pain in the neck to do it because they are Very Busy, and you will be put on hold.

Then call your Senators. You can find their phone numbers at www.senate.gov and tell them you want him OUT. Then your Representative -- you'll need your 9-digit zip code, which you can get at www.usps.com/zip4/ -- who you can find at www.house.gov for the phone number.

Look, I'm glad you've "seen the light" but its time to DO SOMETHING to help make right what you helped screw up. Start with the phone calls. It'll make you feel better.

And, like I said, welcome to DU. :)

[Seen the light]

71. Wow

Thanks a lot for the info.

[IdaBriggs]

131. Does that mean you'll get on the phone in the morning?

I'm deploying with Red Cross soon, so I'm not going to have a lot of time for follow-up, but I want to know if you're going to ask him to resign.

[bliss_eternal]

241. Hey Ida--godspeed

I appreciate what you are doing--please also be careful (if you can under the circumstances)--want to see you come home safe to us, ok?

Thank you for volunteering!

[Lugnut]

66. Welcome to DU!

:hi: Seen the light is an appropriate username for you. Your post has given me more hope for this country than I've had in quite some time. It shows me that there are limits to the amount of stink thoughtful people will tolerate.

:toast:

[KansDem]

67. Welcome from a former Republican...!!!

I understand your "painful moments" between you and your family.

on edit: :hi:

[lildreamer316]

68. Fellow NCer; welcome to DU!

Glad you had a change of heart. VERY glad to have you! make sure you check in in the NC forum........

[Justpat]

69. Welcome to DU.

Glad you made the leap, politically and spiritually. Happy to
have you here.

[derby378]

70. Another former Republican here...

Not a FReeper myself, but definitely a Dittohead from 1993 until around 1996. For some folks, it just takes time.

Welcome to DU! You're among friends here.

[texpatriot2004]

72. Dear Seen the Light, I don't know you so I will give you the

courtesy of taking you at your word. I must say that my first response is to question your motives for posting here. Like what are you doing here, what's your plan? However, as I read your post, my eyes filled up with tears so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say THANK YOU for your message of hope. I forgive you for supporting * although that is quite hard. I am grateful that you began to get both sides of the stories so that you could inform yourself and make very important decisions. I don't see how any human being, much less a "Christian" or a "Compassionate Conservative" can stand with Chimpy and his administration now. This colossal failure of the President to act like a President and to even act human is INEXCUSEABLE! Innocent Americans died and suffered due to his inaction. I saw no sense of urgency in him, no compassion, no concern, no angst. His comment to Pelosi, "what didn't go right?" is DANGEROUS! GOP Party loyalty, it seems to me, is loyal unto death; not their own deaths mind you but the deaths of innocent people. * and his administration have the blood of hundreds maybe even thousands of Americans on their hands as does anyone who stands with them. How could any human defend his incompetence? His indifference? NO!

Okay, so there's my rant. WELCOME to DU. Glad you are here. :hi:

[Ladyhawk]

74. From this former fundy / Republican, welcome to DU! n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

75. Welcome, seen the light!

:hi:

I wish other freepers had the open-mindedness to realize that they've been fed a line of bull.

[smartvoter]

76. Welcome. And your story -- it's SERIOUSLY welcome!!! :-) nt

[Iris]

77. Wow! All that and you even got your family to admit Bush MIGHT

be at fault for the disaster after Katrina? Nice to have you on our side!

[Chichiri]

79. Welcome to DU, buddy

Former Libertarian, myself, reformed about 18 months ago.

80. welcome

sometimes it seems like people stop thinking after they decide to be one way or another. Nice to know that humans can make real choices.

[Booster]

81. Welcome to DU, Seen the Light, but be prepared for your eyes

to grow very weary - there is just so much to read. Since you are a former Republican who's eyes have been opened, maybe you can explain to me why the everyday, anything but rich Republicans support the tax cuts for the rich and at the same time support spending billions on the war? I just don't understand where they think all this money is coming from. My family is Republican and religious, and I can tell they do not support the war to free the Iraqis, that's for damn sure. Don't mean to welcome you by questioning you, but this is one aspect of Republicans that I just don't understand.

[Seen the light]

97. A few things

My parents love conservative talk radio. Well, who am I kidding, I even used to love conservative talk radio. The talking points that are delivered pretty effectively by people like Rush and Hannity have a powerful effect on people.

Also, something my mom told me in an argument we had over the war once was very telling. She said something to the effect of "Well, look on the bright side. (This was in reference to me talking about just how many people have died due to the war.) Maybe this means that Jesus is about to return." I don't know how you can combat that kind of thinking.

[Hatalles]

200. Combat it w/ the numbers of dead, the facts, and in response to Jesus...

... mention the Anti-Christ and how even "believers" would fall for his charade.

BTW, welcome to DU! :) I'm also a former Bush voter (voted for him back in '00).

[Rhiannon12866]

254. Yikes! But you're absolutely right.

Bush* believes that the rapture is coming soon, as well. That's the reason that he's shown so little regard for preserving the environment. He doesn't care if we leave clean air and water for future generations because he doesn't think that there are going to be any! And what's even scarier, his Secretary of the Interior, Gale Norton, who's responsible for all this, shares his beliefs! And my friend, who was born in the Middle East, says that this explains the Bush* preoccupation with the Middle East: that's where it's going to happen and he wants to be there!
:scared:

And I can sympathize with your efforts to deal with your mother. It's much the same for me. My mother refuses to listen or believe a word I say because I don't watch "the news" like she does. And by "news," she means O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush and Scarborough. *sigh*:-(

[FreedomAngel82]

314. I don't think Bush really believes in it

It makes me wonder since he lies all the time and lying is a big no-no with Christians: or is supposed to be. Plus, we're supposed to give to the poor and help the meek. Well, we should want to anyways. About the end of the world you should remind these people what Jesus said. It will come like a thief in the night. In other words: we don't know! And I'd prefer what Christ says since I am a Christian and follow him. From my watching of Bush he uses the Christian religion and the fundamentalist base to gain votes and power. It's all they have. Other wise why haven't they gone with any agendas on the "religious right" groups?

[Rhiannon12866]

372. I'd like to believe this. But I got this info from Bobby Kennedy Jr.

who I do trust as a source. However, your point is well-taken. Not only is lying an anathema to a devout Christian, but, as the Congressional Black Caucus asked, regarding his lack of compassion to hurricane victims, where is his professed Christianity in all of this?:shrug:

[RageFist]

164. Illusion by conclusion, my sociology professor called it...

many repugs think they will one day be rich enough to need tax breaks for the wealthy...in reality, many never make it.

[NRaleighLiberal]

82. ...and welcome from Raleigh! Recommended....so, tell me....

how do you see this all coming down? You've probably been doing a lot of reading here the past week, watched the hypocrisy and Rovespin (blaming while pleas to Not blame) - is there hope that the house of cards will fall? Will the buck actually stop at the top for once?

thanks so much for your great post, for your courage, for joining us!

Craig

[Seen the light]

106. Speaking only from my corner of the world...

there are a lot less amount of Bush supporters than there were just last year at the college I go to here in NC. Other than that, I'm not sure what to tell you. I pray that Bush's numbers continue to go down, but.....I dunno. Slowly but surely I guess.

[FreedomAngel82]

315. I know what you're talking about

I live in Tennessee and on the more conservative side. I haven't seen many W stickers either. :shrug: When I went on vacation about two/three weeks ago (from here to Gulf Shores) and I only saw about four/five or so Bush stickers on the road. I was surprised.

[myrna minx]

83. What a thoughtful and heartfelt post.

Welcome to DU, friend. :hi:

[ohio_liberal]

84. Glad you joined

You know, today's Neocons are not Republicans. My parents are Republicans, not neocons. The Republican party has been hijacked by a bunch of madmen bent on domination. They lie to their supporters, and their supporters eagerly believe the lies. To do otherwise might make one question what is right and what it wrong with this country and with the Republican Party. My parents came to see the truth and voted for John Kerry. I'm not angry at you because you didn't. I welcome you wholeheartedly back to reality. Now please help us do something to take our country back from the madmen.

[mattclearing]

85. It's not easy to admit a mistake, as Bush often demonstrates.

Your post is brave and inspiring. Thanks, and welcome to DU.

:hi:

[Extend a Hand]

86. welcome

I wish my family would see the light
:hi:

[brook]

87. Welcome to DU.

Sorry for the painful moments you're having with your family...but I'm happy you decided to look deeper and make up your own mind about the state of things in our poor country.

Together, we can make the difference.

[Lecky]

88. Welcome Welcome!

Good to see you here :) :hi:

Sad to hear that Jones was hounded in the area you live in, every time I saw him on TV speaking against the war in Iraq it looked like he was about to burst into tears. I'm sure attending all those funerals took a toll on him. It was good to see someone speaking out against this war, even if it was a Republican. I have a new respect for Mr. "Freedom Fries" Jones for that...

I live in SC and have witnessed some SCers give Lindsay Graham a hard time for his criticism of the war and for speaking out against torture...yes TORTURE!

Anyway, thanks for sharing your story and welcome :)

[CanOfWhoopAss]

108. Thanks for sharing, Welcome to DU !!(nt)

[tulsakatz]

90. welcome!!

we're glad to have you here!! I think slowly many republicans are beginning to see that this is more than just conspiracy theories.

[Quakerfriend]

91. Great to have you seen the light!

Suddenly the light is very bright, eh!

I think that most freepers are just simply uninformed. It takes a strong person to question ones beliefs.

Thxs for posting, it give me hope.

[Courtesy Flush]

92. Another confession

I came to DU to see just how "hateful" you guys really were. But over the last year, a lot of things have rubbed me the wrong way from Washington, and I've gotten to the point that I just can't stand the chimp in chief anymore. I voted for him twice, and was already losing faith in him by the second election, but sorry, Kerry didn't move me enough to jump ship (I was close). I voted for his father once, and abstained the second time because I didn't think he deserved the office (foreshadowing, I guess).

The tide turned with the overwhelming evidence that he trumped up the war. Even the most die-hard Republicans couldn't convincingly defend him anymore. Now I see how callous he is about my state's devastation.

BUT, my Dem governor (Kathleen Blanco) ought to resign, and I still don't like Michael Moore.

But I can't call myself a Republican anymore. The party, like New Orleans, has sunk and needs re-building.

[Lecky]

111. Thank you for sharing your story :)

I love hearing stuff like this, it gives me some hope for the future.

[Seen the light]

112. Is there a former Republican group here?

That would be great. We could head it up. :P

[Crunchy Frog]

255. You should get yourself a star and then propose one.

After things die down here a little bit. I bet you'd get lots of takers.

Welcome to DU and congratulations on seeing the light.:toast:

[nookiemonster]

116. Believe it or not, we know some GOOD Republicans.

They're out there, I know them. Let go of this unverifiable shit that was fed to you. Rely on facts.

Your party's been hijacked. Accept it. Change it.

Republicans are a worthy adversary when they stick to their core beliefs and allow balance. Honest debate makes us all better, believe it.

Welcome to DU. You're alot more like us than you realize.

:)

[Lecky]

140. I have lots of Republican friends who are great people...really

They are becoming more and more turned off to the GOP since the Pat Robertson types and Neocons (AKA warmongering imperialists) have hijacked their party and this nation.

We don't talk much about Bush anymore...I can just see the shame and embarrassment in their faces and I don't want to be all "I told you so!". This past year has been a real eye opener for them and they even admitted that the war in Iraq was about oil (duh!). At least they are making progress lol.

It's really strange because they hold many liberal viewpoints but have always voted Republican...out of habit I guess. I think this may change in the future though, I still have hope :)

[Cookie wookie]

137. Welcome to you Kdsusa too

I'm old enough to remember when the Republican Party stood for different things than what I did, but they did care about the country. They weren't about the business of destroying the country so that the "priviledged" few could have it all at the expense of everyone else, which this particular bunch in power is doing so fast it's hard to believe. They weren't about hate. Some good, even great presidents were Republicans: Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, even Eisenhower.

That was what I always cherished so deeply about this country, that people with all different shades of values, philosophies, and preferences had a right and were at respected for their similarities as well as their differences. We could collaborate and work together solving problems because there were all these points of view -- but always at bottom was love and respect for our Constitution, our liberty and justice was for all. That's what made us great. You say the Republican party needs re-building. The Democratic party could use some of that as well, but at least they are not (at least most of them) guilty of condoning and in some cases participating in criminal, cruel, murderous, destructive behaviors. Literally destroying this country city by city.

Those who rule the Republican Party now are not Americans. They are fascists. Think of Bush holding hands and kissing his Saudi friends -- people who are in a country that is ruled by despots, people from a country that had most of the 9/11 terrorists! Shocking. And now this bunch of fascists is actually selling our country out to China and Saudi Arabia.

Someday maybe you can go back to that Party because it will become an American party again. A party of human beings with hearts and souls.

I've never voted for a Republican and never will, but the two party system is essential to the health of the country. We all have to fight these criminals and someday maybe we will defeat them and take our country back for the people. Then, if you go back, we'll agree to disagree (I love Michael Moore : - ) ) again but we will both be able to hold up our heads with pride instead of living in shame and horror, and move back into our rightful place in the world as a country that once again, for all our differences, speaks with a single voice to say:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

[Just Me]

154. At least, here, there is room for disagreement and different views.

No doubt, there are many very emotional expressions because we are personally affected by the policies of this administration and we are very passionate about our own philosopies. However, at least some level of common respect is demanded: exactly the way a real democracy should operate.

[deadparrot]

166. Welcome!

:D

[bliss_eternal]

244. Hi kdusa--

:hi:

No one here is going to demand that you like Michael Moore, that's not a pre-requisite. I think there are some Democrats, Progressives and Independents that don't like him either. But I do appreciate your honesty. LOL!

So, how hateful did you find us to be?

[ForrestGump]

301. It's an epidemic!

Good for you...and you don't have to like Michael Moore if you don't want to. Or Tom Cruise... :-)

[FreedomAngel82]

316. Why don't you like Michael Moore?

Because he tells the truth? Have you actually seen the film? And why should Blanco resign? Should Bush resign as well?

[Courtesy Flush]

334. Bush SHOULD NOT resign

Do you really want CHENEY in the White House???? :nuke: We'll just have to hope for better candidates next time. A resignation will not bring forth a better president. Only an election will do that.

My high school history teacher used to say that in the worst of times -- civil war, depression, world wars -- the greatest leaders emerge. Where the hell are they???

[SammyWinstonJack]

355. Cheney is running the show. Surely you don't think Jr. is in charge?

:rofl:

[Courtesy Flush]

358. Good point n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

93. What a wonderful post, Seen the light!!!

Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. You've had some painful moments and it can't have been easy, especially to have come so far in such a short time. Kudos to you for having the courage to face up to the truth. Not everyone can do that, since it's much easier to believe what we're being told and a lot more comfortable.:-(

I was never RW, but just politically apathetic. I always voted, mostly for Democrats, but had no involvement and little enthusiasm. I did, however, know that Bush* was bad news and the election of 2000 angered me, a lot, for the first time. But it took 9/11 to really wake me up, forced me to make a real effort to go out and actively search for the truth, sort of as you have. And what I've found out was worse than I ever imagined. It angered me and scared me witless. But I do know the truth now, and I'm not giving up. And I'm not shutting up, either. I'll share what I've learned with pretty much anyone who's not running in the other direction, LOL! And the one thing I'm sure of is that I've learned enough, in a large part from DU, that I may be angry and scared, but I'm sure never going to be blindsided by the lies ever again.:grr:

Again, Seen the light, thank you for your great post. And a particularly warm welcome to DU, from me to you!
:yourock:

Rhiannon:hi:

edited for typo

[Libby2]

94. WOW!! Welcome!! n/t

[Barad Simith]

95. From one former repuke to another...

Welcome to DU! My own shift from right to left happened gradually between 1998 and 2000.

We all expect to see a lot more of this.

[Rainscents]

96. Welcome... I loved reading your story!

I am also very Christain and I live by words of Jesus.
:hug: :hi:

[johannes1984]

98. welcome back

And may the freedom anew be one you enjoy more than anything else .For you've entered the realm of a world where 't is truly yours that freedom .May you go on to do manier a good thing for this world .And , i who rarely affiliate with my heimat christianity , say 't is all forgiven in most christian manner .

Peace out

And heck now you can vist europe without being frustrated because of what you've been thought to think ,if there's a hope for the union 't is action like yours which enshrine it

[Ladyhawk]

99. I had to welcome you first before reading your story.

My own rebellion came about rather slowly until the year 2000 when a number of things happened that challenged my remaining right-wing thinking. Just before the invasion of Iraq, I did some research and discovered then that Powell had lied to the UN and that there were no WMDs. In 2002, I officially bailed on the Republican Party.

As for feeling there is blood on your hands, I felt the same way because I voted for Bush in 2000. I wasn't exactly thrilled with him either before or after my vote, but I did vote for him. I have tried to make up for my bad decision by learning the truth and becoming more active in politics. I have a feeling you are about to do the same. You are most welcome...and I feel your pain about family. I feel my family are so mired in their beliefs they will never change. Perhaps they will pleasantly surprise me. :shrug:

WELCOME! Let's get our country back!!!

[LSK]

100. Welcome to DU!

I hope we hear more and more stories like yours. Thanks.

[Festivito]

102. Welcome to the other side of the looking glass.

It's hard to believe that so many believe as true the surreal world in which they still live. A land where individual responsibility supposedly reigns, yet every problem is blamed on leftists, and every inconsistancy dismissed due to a left-wing press. And, none of it is true.

On the other side they think they are real patriots. You've done your own research. You are, now, a real patriot.

The real work begins. Good luck.

[nookiemonster]

103. Welcome to DU, Seen the light!!

C'mon in, the water's fine.

:)

[bushisanidiot]

104. Welcome!!! I turned from the darkside as well.. back in '96.

i voted for reagan twice and bush sr. once..

the repukes relentless and hate inspired pursuit of passing the "defense of marriage act" is what pushed me over the edge. although clinton signed it under immense political pressure, it was the repukes who showed their true colors in writing it and pushing during an election year in order to demonize gays.. i realized at that time that it was the democrats who were the true "big tent" party and the party who actually cares about ALL americans.. not just the white, rich, heterosexual and christian.. but all of us.

god bless america and god bless you!

[LincolnMcGrath]

105. Hello And Welcome!

[Name removed]

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[Cookie wookie]

146. It sounds heartfelt to me

People do change their thinking. Hopefully more will do the same before the whole country looks like a banana republic, which is happening with breathtaking speed.

[Cookie wookie]

150. I could add, I've learned something in life

that has become a guiding principle. I take people at their word and trust in their good will until they prove otherwise through their actions. Think that's why at my age people think I'm so young -- I refuse to become a cynic.

[sidwill]

157. Ehh maybe youre right

Its just that I have seen the "confessions of a ________" form letter used for marketing everything from plumbers to dentists and this post looks like it was cut from the same form.

Call me a cynic, I suppose.

[Lecky]

158. I think you are being rude

...and I think you are wrong. What would the OP have to gain by sharing false stories with us?

[Rhiannon12866]

196. I don't agree.

I've been on DU for quite awhile and can usually suss out these things. It sure has the ring of sincerity to me and I think it took a lot of guts for him to post this. And he's not "selling" anything but his story. He was prompted to make this post by another thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4699590&mesg_id=4699857

[NV Whino]

107. Welcome!

Glad to have you aboard.
:hi:

[Pam-Moby]

109. Hi Seen the light

and welcome to DU. We are glad that you are here with us. :hug: :grouphug:

[DoYouEverWonder]

110. Welcome aboard

the more the merrier.

PBWY
DYEW

[ncgrits]

113. Good for you! And welcome!

Like Bill Clinton says: When people think, the Democrats win.

Way to figure things out and start thinking for yourself!

North Carolina could go blue if this keeps up! :hi:

[Seen the light]

121. You never know

Weren't we the least red Southern state this last go-around besides Florida?

[Rhiannon12866]

231. I happen to know a lot of liberals in NC

But most of them are transplants...:shrug: We can only hope.:-)

[Seen the light]

233. I lived in Arkansas for a time

Really grew up in NC though. I've never not lived in a red state though.

[Rhiannon12866]

236. I may live in a blue state, but in a really red district.

Most of the local elections are decided in the Republican primaries. My friend, who's also a long-time DUer, went off on me the other day because I ran into the town supervisor, who I happen to know, and didn't tell the guy off, because he's a Republican. *sigh* The only reason NY is blue is because of NYC.:-(

Where in NC? I've spent a lot of time there because my grandmother retired to Black Mountain, just outside of Asheville. Beautiful country!:D

[Uncle Joe]

115. Welcome to D.U.

:toast:

[onecent]

117. Welcome....this is a great place for information. Tell your friends.

[RagingInMiami]

118. Join us at the protest in DC

Help us get our country back.

[LibertyLou]

122. I must admit, I am a former Freeper as well..

Actually, one of the original ones from WAY back in 1998. It was a different place then, sure , very anti-Clinton to be sure, but what attracted me was the freedom angle...the anti-corruption angle. Ruby Ridge, Waco, Mena, the 'Body Count,' the coming NWO, were all commented upon in depth.

I could write a great synopsis of what the board was like, and how it was instrumental in bringing about Clinton's impeachment with assistance from Matt Drudge, Lucianne Goldberg, etc. Hell, I even participated in protesting against the war in Kosovo because it seemed like it was a 'Wag the Dog' type scenario. But all that changes apparently when it's a Republican doing the bombing. And I am not so blinded by political affiliation to see through the hypocrisy.

I am of the opinion that Karl Rove realized and thus utilized FR as a type of brownshirt activism...and I won't go into detail about Jim Robinson and the $$ factor... It was used. All the scare tactics about troops in the streets, FEMA camps, endless corruption, etc, have now come true...under a Republican president. We are in fact, less safe, less free, poorer, and more divided by $$$ than we were before. Bush is a disaster of the first order. It's the 'gilded age' of the 'robber barons' all over. The corruption and propaganda is astonishing and breathtaking in its scope and audacity. If even 10% of what Bush has actually done was attempted by Clinton, the storms and howls of protest would have been endless. But it's still being used by Rove even today...as in, how do you think that he knew that there was a small crowd of anti-anti-war protesters to go out in his truck to meet?

I'll never visit the place again.

They are a bunch of rabid dogs right now, turning on and eating their own. And to all the freepers reading this, I hope you too will see the light as well.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

welcome to DU

rabid dogs is right.

It's good to see that the sensible ones are leaving that dreadful place.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

141. You need a big welcome to DU

:hug: :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

253. Welcome to DU, libertylou!

Thank you for sharing what must have been hard for you...I appreciate your honesty.

:hi:

[Jokinomx]

374. Welcome LibertyLou

Thank you also for sharing your experience. It is important for others to see that doing the right thing because its the right thing to do is OK. Your correct about this chimp in that he has divided this world, he has divided this country and now he is dividing Families. Even if he stumbled across a good idea... no body left of center will give him the time of day... let alone agree with him. He has pissed off so many people across the board, he gives new meaning to "Lame Duck".

:kick: :toast:

[sendero]

123. I was a Reagan Republican...

... right up until 1986. At first, I found the charges the left leveled against Reagan to be mean-spirited and often wrong. Then catsup became a vegetable. Iran-Contra became a fact. I started having my doubts. Because see, my real motivation was what was best for all of America - I believed (and still believe a few things he stood for were basically correct) that his solutions to problems were the right solutions.

It sure couldn't be selfishness, I made barely 30K at the time.

But slowly you start to realize that Republicans are really just in it for themselves and their rich friends - they don't give a shit about America, and what is best for most Americans.

I'm kind of ashamed of it all, but then everyone has to come around to their truth in their own time. It took me too long, but better late than never. And part of the reason I have a different view of how to fight against the Reps is that I basically understand them more than many here do(IMHO), because I was one. "understand" is fortunately not the same as "agree with".

Welcome to DU. Even liberals who I think are fringe crazies are at least on the side of the common man and not the elite. Extremism in the defense of what is good and what is right is no vice.

[Lecky]

177. That was a fantastic post n/t

[bliss_eternal]

251. (((sendero)))

I understand your feeling ashamed, but please don't waste your energy on that emotion. That entire experience, has in one way or the other contributed to the person you are today. You're a good person.

All people have their flaws, and we all make mistakes, what kind of world would it be if we didn't learn from our prior choices?

I'm glad you are here!

:hug:

[MODemocrat]

124. Thanks for sharing and most of all for changing over

It takes a big person to admit this, especially being raised by strong republican parents. Actually, the republican party was not that bad, years ago. During my working days, I worked in the courts for both of the parties, and found them to be very down to earth and good people.
Even though I have always been on the other side, I had a respect for the party. That was before Bush, Jr. came upon the scene. He has really changed the entire landscape for the worse.
Being able to change one's mind is truly an asset. :toast:

[KitchenWitch]

125. Welcome to DU

We have Jason Lewis here in the Twin Cities on a radio station called "The Patriot"

:puke:

[RageFist]

126. I converted October 30th, 2004...

My sociology professor did a lecture on foreign policies of the US in South America (Chile, for example) and how we would set up gov'ts who would "allow" us to build their infrastructure in exchange for resources. The light clicked on right then and there. I took the Bush-Cheney sticker off of my van and voted for Kerry a few days later.

It is possible to change, so dont' give up on people. I started this life as an indoctrinated Mormon kid (genuinely nice, I think, but VERY sheltered and misguided) and am now an atheist liberal (both require critical thinking skills).

[zippy890]

213. Yeeeehaaawwwwwwrrrrrg!!

Yeah, Ragefist!

you 'started..as an indoctrinated Mormon...and are now an atheist liberal'

!!!!!!!!Oh that gives me hope for our country & the human race!!!!!

Thanks for sharing that, we are going to make it I think, because people like you can learn, can grow as human beings.

[RageFist]

225. Thats why I haven't given up on my family :)

[bliss_eternal]

256. Wow--Welcome to DU, RageFist!

Thanks for sharing your story!

Congratulations on thinking for yourself! Feels good, doesn't it?

[RageFist]

326. Thanks! it sure does, but luckily I'm not the only one :) n/t

[DarkTirade]

128. Your conversion can be summed up by one quote...

I did a little digging and found out that it was indeed true.
That right there explains why you changed and others haven't. You actually took the time to check and see if those things were true.
Most of us here have nothing against Republicans(other than our simple opposing views on certain political ideas). Just Bush and the people like him who are willing to rape and pillage for their own benefit.
The reason so many people support Bush is because they simply don't question him. They don't see if the claims about his misdeeds are true. Why? Partly because a good deal of them refuse to believe that a president of the united states could do such things. I know at least one person personally who is in that camp. The rest... well, I have no clue. :) Herd thinking? Perhaps. Refusal to believe that a 'good christian man' could do such things? Probably for a good portion of them.

[Mich Otter]

130. Welcome to DU.

I can imagine it is tough to accept a different view of reality. Good luck.

[DIKB]

132. Thanks for sharing your story.

Sometimes I know I feel like no one is paying attention, and that there is no hope for those people who supported *. Thanks for reminding me that people are still good at heart, and if informed and given the chance they will choose to reassess what they think they know.

I know there's a lot of information out there, and if you spend enough time here you'll see it, start to remember and be able to call upon it when you need to.

[recon54]

133. Welcome to DU!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

134. Welcome

:)

[thedailyshow]

135. welcome to DU!

Ignore some of the cranks here. Every political party has those cranks, but feel free to ask us any questions, and we'll try our best to answer them :-)

[Angry Girl]

136. Welcome to DU!

You just took the RED PILL and we're proud of you! :-)

Nightweed's Hurricane Katrina Aid Organizations

[Nightjock]

138. Welcome fellow former Republican!

I was the same way but started to realize back in 1998 where the truth could be found!

And than....
Four years ago I named my daughter Chelsea after the former First Daughter!!!
That's from a person who voted against Bill Clinton TWICE!

Welcome to DU!!!

[matcom]

139. Apologize for your VOTE

NOT for "rambling"

[T Town Jake]

144. There's the welcoming "progressive" spirit!

...a poster child for everything a "liberal" is not...

[Ron Green]

167. I gotta agree with Matcom...

rambling is no sin (especially around here), but voting for fascists requires some serious penance.

[matcom]

169. sorry

i still laugh at the idiot at work who complains that he just spent $75 filling up his Escalade

you have to EARN my sympathy for your past deeds.

time will tell and a message board post after the fact won't cut it

[Lecky]

190. Wow...

"you have to EARN my sympathy for your past deeds."

Are you for real :rofl:

[matcom]

210. i'm as real as they come

fuck 'em if they weren't smart enough to make an informed decision early on

[Lecky]

275. The guy just came out and said he was wrong before and regretted his vote

What more do you want him to do? Lick your boots?

I think what he did took courage since there are very few people who admit their mistakes these days. I'm sure there are many out there who feel the same as the OP, we should welcome them instead of being arrogant assholes. :)

[Laurab]

295. YES! Welcome to DU!

where nobody really has to "earn" anything from anyone (unless they want to, of course). It is good to see all of the people who questioned, and then came to their own conclusions. I believe most thinking people WILL vote for Dems, because they truly do care about all of us.

I never voted for a republican, but that's because I was raised dem - I never cared about politics at all until the shrub was selected, and began ruining my country. When we begin to question and learn, it's a wonderful thing, although a lot of times it's much more comfortable NOT to think. I'm just glad more people are beginning to question.


:hi:

[charlie]

329. delete n/t

[T Town Jake]

191. I'm usually the trusting sort. But if he gets tombstoned...

...I'll owe you a free round of cold ones.

:beer:

[matcom]

208. i don't take THOSE bets lightly

and i drink the expensive stuff ;)

[Seen the light]

217. Part of me wants to

Again, I do feel guilty and feel that I am at least somewhat responsible for what's going on in this country today. However, the other part of me says that I was a victim of a lifetime of propaganda. So......I don't know. I definitely regret it. :(

[stevietheman]

317. But you can't change the past... regret doesn't create anything...

I don't think you should apologize for your vote. What's most important is the lessons you learned, and can take forward. Welcome to the light side! :)

I myself was a Reagan Republican in the 80's... then switched to the Democratic Party (mainly due to disgust with Iran-Contra and the religious right taking over the party), then became Independent (in the mid 90's, neither party was appealing to me).

I have to tell you... I considered myself a centrist before Bush took over... but seeing the policies of this administration has forced me to see the dangers of not only incompetence and sinister behavior, but also the danger of a good idea (capitalism) taken to extremes or used as a misapplied label for what is really "big corporate cronyism" (really the military-industrial complex, repackaged). Capitalism is supposed to be a "free market", but when big corporations are favored like they are, I have to say it makes me lost on the "free market" concept, because it doesn't really exist. Bush is so bad he makes me *feel* like a leftist.

I think what we're seeing forming in the country right now is a new political bond... between liberals, moderates and traditional conservatives... to form a kind of "rational alliance" movement to save the republic. Even if we disagree on particular policies, we commonly understand we have a dangerous cabal running things now, and that they have to be dealt with. And I think we all also agree that even with a limited government, the hurricane survivors should have been promptly fed and evacuated right after knowledge of the levees breaching--that is, no matter how you cut it, a responsibility of government.

[OKDem08]

142. Bless You

Welcome! :hi:

[Name removed]

143. Deleted message

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[Lecky]

151. WTF?

I think the cynicism and paranoia may have gotten to you...

Do you not think that there are Republicans who are horrified about what's going on in this country right now? I know a few of them personally...

What the OP said took courage, please don't be a jerk.

[matcom]

161. wrong reply

sorry

[wryter2000]

145. To quote Randi Rhodes

"You're a real man."

Welcome to DU. Your story does give us hope. :yourock: :applause: :toast: :applause:

[LittleClarkie]

147. Thanks for your story, seen the light

Keep reading!!

[Kire]

149. I hope you make lots of friends here.

we need to stick together. The GOP wants to kill us.

Some of us handle it better than other.s

[Radio_Lady]

153. Seen the Light, I prefer to believe your story.

Frankly, I don't know why. If I could sit down with you and talk about it, I might get the correct vibes.

But if you say it, I believe it.

Welcome. I've voted Republican a couple of times in my life when I thought it was the best choice.

But not now...

Making peace a priority,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[alfredo]

152. Read Matthew 5:3-12 to understand the Democrats.

Welcome

[Radio_Lady]

162. Hey, Alfredo. I don't have my New Testament handy --

mainly because I'm Jewish.

Why don't you excerpt it here if you've got it? Or should I pull up the quote on Google?

Your move...

[Sapphire Blue]

172. Matthew 5:3-12

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they that are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake.

Rejoice and be exceeding glad, for great is your reward in Heaven; for so persecuted they the prophets who were before you.

[Radio_Lady]

181. Thanks on behalf of the unsaved and unwashed and other unmentionable

things.

I'd like to think that the reward will be here on earth, because I don't believe in an afterlife. However, the sentiments are... well... always nice to hear.

Blessed be...

[ailsa]

292. The Beatitudes always bring tears to my eyes...

THOSE are the real "talking points." Those are the
ones that matter.

Thanks for posting them!!
:)

[alfredo]

277. It is the Beatitudes from the sermon on the mount.

Look it up on google. It's pretty good. I'm an Atheist, but I still like looking through different sacred text.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

155. Thanks for the post, STL, and welcome.

It helps to know that what we do and say can, once in a million times, help change someone's mind.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

156. Welcome to DU!

Glad you saw the light! I am sure there are many others that are seeing the light as well. Tell your parents that if it is the end of the world coming, they will let the Dems in the gates first because we do not commit genocide against our own people :) Just kidding, maybe? In time, they will open their eyes, as well. Good luck in keeping peace in the family, have read many posts where families were divided in their politics and I guess that would be difficult. Thanks for your honesty in the matter. Of course, I am curious and since no one has asked..........what nickname did you use when you came in as a freeper? Of course, you don't have to answer, I am just curious.

[Seen the light]

224. I never posted here

I've never been too much of a fan of people "infiltrating" other websites. If people do it, I guess that's fine, it's just not something I would be that good at doing.

[Sapphire Blue]

160. Also read Matthew 25:34-46

[ProfessorGAC]

165. What Does It Say. . .

. . .for those of us who have no actual interest in reading what we consider fiction? There may be some valuable lessons there, but i don't own a bible and never will.
The Professor

[Sapphire Blue]

179. Matthew 25:34-46...

Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, `Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

For I hungered, and ye gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took Me in;

naked, and ye clothed Me; I was sick, and ye visited Me; I was in prison, and ye came unto Me.'

Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying, `Lord, when saw we Thee hungering and fed Thee, or thirsty and gave Thee drink?

When saw we Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and clothed Thee?

Or when saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?'

And the King shall answer and say unto them, `Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.'

"Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, `Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

For I hungered, and ye gave Me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me no drink;

I was a stranger, and ye took Me not in; naked, and ye clothed Me not; sick and in prison, and ye visited Me not.'

Then shall they also answer Him, saying, `Lord, when saw we Thee hungering or athirst or a stranger, or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister unto Thee?'

Then shall He answer them, saying, `Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me.'

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."

[ProfessorGAC]

194. Thanks

That is a nice sentiment and does fit the liberal philosophy.
The Professor

[Sapphire Blue]

203. John 13:34-35 is another...

"A new commandment I give unto you: that ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples: if ye have love one for another."


Of all the lessons in the bible, I think Matthew 25:40 (And the King shall answer and say unto them, `Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.') & John 13:34-35 are the most important.

[FreedomAngel82]

318. Yes

Earlier in the year Howard Dean was on the "Daily Show". He said it perfectly. In the Bible the word "poor" is mentioned 3,000 times and he also said one of the greatest commandments is "love one another" and "love thy neighbors" and Dean said we are told to love thy neighbors and we don't get to choose our neighbors. The freepers have so much hatred in them. *sigh* It's really sad and hurts.

[phylny]

332. If you don't want to read "fiction," then why would you care what it said?

Very confusing.

[Radio_Lady]

173. OK, you numerical Bible quoters, here are the citations:

Matthew 5:3-12 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

(EDITING NOTE: Are these posted in Macintosh fonts or do they just have numbers in front of them when they were first written??)

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[deadparrot]

163. Welcome to DU!

Don't be too freaked out by some of the stuff you see here--people are very strong in their opinions, and sometimes civility or respect for ideas isn't the first priority (myself included).

Enjoy...I look forward to "talking" with you. :D

[ralps]

168. Welcome to DU Seen the light

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Siyahamba]

170. It takes a brave, strong person to admit he made mistakes

I'm sure there are a lot of current freepers who feel uncomfortable with the Republicans but refuse to admit they were wrong.

And welcome to DU!

[progressivebydesign]

171. Wow. Welcome. How cool that you wrote this!

So many of us here believe that more Americans would follow your example if they were given the information that is rightfully theirs. The media has been guilty of not telling everyone the truth. I applaud your open-mindedness.

WELCOME!! :grouphug:

[Twist_U_Up]

174. Welcome but 1 thing.....

we call it election fraud.

the voters did everything right

[KerryOn]

176. Hello Seen the Light....

I have always been an independent. I voted for Bush in 2000, but voted for Kerry in 2004.

I saw the light in about February of 2003, when Bush was talking about invading Iraq. He almost had me going with the talk of mushroom clouds, but I new something just didn't smell right.

I wish you would have seen he light a little earlier, but welcome to the DU!

[tallahasseedem]

178. Welcome to DU!!!

Heres hoping there are alot more like you out there.

[peacebuzzard]

180. I have met many Republicans who felt confusion

lately as things have not turned out as spelled out on the media and by politician's statements and beliefs. Welcome to an alternative set of beliefs here on DU. Most of this board leans very left, but hopefully you will check in often on the current events and judge which direction you wish this country to take.

:hi:

[UrbScotty]

182. Like you, I am Christian. As Christ would, DU welcomes you.

:thumbsup:

[reprehensor]

183. You must infiltrate their ranks.

Maybe you already have an account at Free Republic.

You could go deeper than any of us if so.

You can feign the Borg mentality, and drop 'truth' boms at the very heart of the beast.

This is your duty.

Welcome to the light.

[Seen the light]

216. I do have an account there

Haven't used it for a while. Is it really right for me to lie there though? I don't know, I'll have to think about it. But thanks for the suggestion.

[Sapphire Blue]

245. What's your screen name there?

[fudge stripe cookays]

343. Not real wise...

for him to be dropping it here, if he does want to go in later, now is it?

They troll here often.
FSC

[ForrestGump]

302. If it don't feel right,

don't do it. :-)

Some people like to do the cloak-and-dagger stuff, for various reasons. No need to go back there, really...they'll either see what's going on for themselves or will never see it. Truth's getting harder to ignore...

[FreedomAngel82]

319. I agree

One of my philosphies with life is: if you're uncertain don't do it. I don't want any regrets in life, so if I'm sooo uncertain about something I don't do it. Plus, I don't think they'd have it there for so long. Heh heh.

[Ladyhawk]

328. I'm no good at infiltrating. I have trouble with dishonesty.

I tried it once a long time ago at a fundy site and it didn't sit well with my conscience...but that's me. :shrug:

[Zhade]

184. I hope you now understand that the "liberal media" myth is a lie.

Welcome to DU, and more importantly welcome to reality.

[FreedomAngel82]

322. Speaking of which

there is a great movie to watch. Visit http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and there are some great films to see there. Here are some I suggest:

F911 from Michael Moore
Hijacking Castrophe
The Liberal Media Myth
Outfoxed
The New Pearl Harbor
The War Party
Iraq, Tony and the truth
Orwell Rolls in his Grave
Losing Hearts & Minds
The World According to Bush
Dick Cheney- Unauthorized biography
Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq war
Bush Family Fortunes
An American We Can All Be Proud Of
Eisenhower Warns America
Exposed: the Carlyle Group
Unprcedented
9/11 Unanswered question's

Also visit http://www.gregpalast.com and check out some of his articles and check out his segment from BBC about Iraq and oil. Earlier this year he got sued by the oil companies so I know what he was saying was true. He's one of the few reporters I trust.

[Mutley]

185. Welcome, Seen the light!!!

Much of my family is conservative also, so I can feel your pain. Also, there are many DUers who are former Republicans, or even who are still Republicans, but they are against Bush. You are not alone here. Things can get crazy here sometimes (as I'm sure you've seen) but we are one big family and in the end.

I hope you like it here. :hi:

[Raster]

186. Kick it up, baybee, WAY UP!!!!

:kick:

It's no longer whether your a repub or a Dem, it's are you a decent, caring human being, or an evil bastard? Are you part of the problem or part of the solution? Choose.

[helderheid]

187. Thank you for this and WELCOME!

[yurbud]

188. independent research is the key and....

Rush, O'Reilly, Bush et al depend on most people NOT doing it.

The most chilling thing about these Bush years is a difference with 1984 (the book). In that novel, the protagonist's job is snipping people out of history books and newspapers. The Bushies have figured out that isn't necessary. They could change their story of what happened in the past, and they didn't need to change the archives because they knew most people wouldn't look.

Someone once said sometimes remembering is the most powerful act of resistance, but I think research is. Never take information for granted, even when you get it from people you agree with.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

211. Let the mods do their job. Innocent til proven guilty.

"Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll, or do not otherwise imply they are not welcome on Democratic Underground. If you think someone is a disruptor, click the "Alert" link below their post to let the moderators know."

[Seen the light]

214. Again, I've been lurking for a while

What reason would I have to lie about this?

[MH1]

193. Welcome to the light, and welcome to DU!

Glad you could join us!

:toast:

[shaniqua6392]

195. I am also your Christian friend

and I welcome you to DU. We are glad you are here. This is a place made up of wonderful, intelligent and informed people who care about this country like no one else you will ever meet. God and DU are all you will need to keep fighting for this nation and it's people. Welcome!!

[donheld]

197. Welcome to the light

:hi: I hope you're one of many.

[timber84]

198. Hey seen the light

'm in charlotte too have been posting here about jason lewis all week, currently in an email battle with him. happy to show u the ropes around here as muchas i can have been a menber for a year but mainly a 'lurker' till this whole mess. Glad to read your story first smile for me today!

[Seen the light]

223. LOL were you the one he was threatening to have the WBT

legal department come after? I remember reading a thread about that here.

[timber84]

237. that was me!!!!!!!!!

I would consider it an honor

[Esse Quam Videri]

243. Seen the Light

Welcome to DU. I live in Charlotte also but don't have any problem with WBT other than when I pass one of my repub coworker's offices. My solution to this is stream Air America all day on my computer. Hope you have checked AAR out. Once again welcome. What high school did you go to?

[FreedomAngel82]

324. Yes

AAR is great and they have many different styles of people as well. To get you started you might want to check out Al Franken and then work on up. Mike Malloy is my favorite! He comes on at 10pm-1am east. He's kind of hard core though but definitley tells you the truth and would never lie to you. I also suggest Guy James, Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann and Bernie Ward. There are so many great progressive talk shows. But since you're new check out Al Franken from 12-3pm est on AAR (airamericaradio.com) and Stephanie Miller at http://www.stephaniemiller.com You have to sign up (:shrug:) to listen to her show but you can download the show archives for free. I love the show and hopefully you'll learn to like it too. She's like you and a lot of us here. She grew up with republican parents (I think her dad once was a VP choice) and ended up liberal.

[leftchick]

199. Welcome Seen The Light!

omg! I wish my freeper Mom would See The Light as well!

:) Glad to have you here!

[castiron]

201. I have a similar story

Thanks for telling yours. Maybe we should have a confession folder here. It is humbling when you realize how confidently you once believed in some of that stuff....

[sendero]

246. So true....

... I'm about as opinionated as they come. I believe what I believe with total vehemence. But, remembering the times I have been wrong, I always remember that I just could be wrong now.

You really can never settle, you have to constantly challenge your view of the world.

[distantearlywarning]

202. Hello and Welcome.

I think you will find many of us "reformed" types here, and also many different types of progressives.

I am a registered Libertarian who voted Democrat for the first time last November. I was initially moderately supportive of the war in Iraq but became disenchanted with Bush after Abu Ghraib and finding out (as you did) about some of the "funny business" with the media and newscasts that were actually government propaganda.

I work with statistics on a daily basis, particularly from the viewpoint of application to the social sciences, so after I started hearing all the rumors after Nov 2nd about vote fraud, I decided to check some of that stuff out myself. What I found convinced me that something was very strange in quite a few states, and I now firmly believe that some kind of fraud happened in places. But anyway, researching vote fraud led me to DU, and I decided to stay.

Although I don't subscribe to all the Democratic causes out there, I am very anti-Bush, so I usually feel quite at home here even among the peace activists and anti-gun people. :evilgrin:

And DU is also the main source of my news - the media is untrustworthy much of the time, if you haven't figured that out by now.

I welcome you to DU, and I hope that you get as much out of it as I have.

:)

[roguevalley]

204. welcome, honey. you are very welcome here.

[converted_democrat]

205. Welcome to DU!! I used to be a puke too!!

I now it is possible to change, because I did it. I spend 6-8 hours a day on this board amending for my sins. Make the calls, write the letters, make up for lost time.

[NoSheep]

206. The best news I've heard all day. Please bring your friends. I am so proud

of you for having the guts to question the dominate paradigm. We are a good community here, just trying to do the right thing by our fellow beings. an open mind is most welcome. The family thing can be tough. Depending on your age and history, you may decide the battle isn't worth fighting with them. I fought like hell from 14 to 35. Now, at 42, I'm trying to enjoy the few moments a year I have with them without discussing politics. They know how I feel, and I'm not changing. I make a statement every now and then and leave it at that. But the REST of the world? They are due for a good spanking and I aim to give it to them! Welcome to DU! :hi: :kick: :yourock: :woohoo: :patriot:

[laureloak]

207. Welcome, and my compliments on your post.

My family is also split and sometimes it is very painful. Do you have any suggestions for helping others to "see the light"?

[Seen the light]

215. Like I was saying earlier

Mention gas prices, the fact that Americans are dying to set up an Islamic theocracy, point out the human suffering in New Orleans and dig up some good stuff about that from places like DU. All of those things have worked at least somewhat for me thus far.

[lateo]

212. Welcome to DU friend.

It is the hallmark of an intelligent person to be able to change your mind.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

218. Another good point raised by your post: regardless of policies and issues,

Republicans SHOULD be SERIOUSLY concerned by things like the Armstrong Williams affair.

Using government tax dollars to BRIBE and BUY "fake" reporters and planting "fake" reporters like Jeff Gannon to make fake commentary and propaganda like Nazi and fascist regimes should be of concern to any freedom loving American even if you buy into the whole Republican philosophies on taxes, foreigh policy etc.

It should bother them. Freeper lurkers, if you are reading, it should bother you.

Why doesn't it?

[opusprime]

219. Great post!!

I stopped drinking the kool-aid back in 2001 after the Ashcroft appointment.

DU and FreeRepulic are not even in the same league as far as I'm concerned.

You'll get a much more open and honest view point here.

Welcome, and great to have you.

[walldude]

220. Welcome to DU

and the light side of the force Padawan! Once you start looking deeper and getting info from many sources you'll realize how deep the rabbit hole goes. You'll also understand better why we are so adamant about getting rid of Bush. Try a few books from your local library, Jim Hightower and Molly Ivans both have written a few books about Bush and his legacy, and they are chock full of info you would not believe. The rabbit hole is deep.. very deep.

[sweetladybug]

226. Welcome. We need to thank God for people like you who have

finally seen the light. God bless you!
Gayle

[mtnsnake]

221. Welcome. You're in good company now!

:toast:

[sysoprock]

222. From one former Bush voter to another...

let me say welcome to DU.

You'll notice it's happier here.

[fishwax]

227. welcome to du!

:hi:

lots of people see the light :) Congrats on having the ambition and self confidence to actually investigate the other side, rather than simply ridiculing it.

:toast:

[Javaman]

228. Welcome to DU!! :)

[Boxerfan]

229. Welcome!-No blood on your hands

When you are (constantly) lied to & you base your decisions on those lies....well you are not responsible,the liar is.
I & most others here having nothing against real republican values, smaller government & less taxes,a tad of isolationism for good measure.
But as you have realized by merely listening is cuffs don't match collars with these folks. You listened, you learned, you made the right decision...WELCOME!

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

230. Thanks for your open mind. I hope it's not too late to save our country.

[denese]

232. You just made my day!

Welcome. Thank you for thinking rather than just following along blindly.
:hug:
So glad to have you here.

[Pacifist Patriot]

340. Mine too! Welcome to DU.

One by one honey. One by one.

[ignatius 2]

234. Well,better late than never. To atone for your wicked past,please

try to convert some of the Southerners by slapping facts in front of their faces about this disastrous administration.

You read DU,regularly?, so I know you are well informed.

Peace and welcome.

[oddtext]

235. WOW! WELCOME!

you have made my day!

:toast:

[really annoyed]

238. Welcome!

I'm a former conservative myself.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

239. We are a motley crew, and not always cooperative or

congenial. But almost to a fault our DU family members are dedicated to sorting the truth from the bullshit and will call each other on untruths and inconsistencies. So if you find yourself in the middle of a flame war somewhere in the future (and these can be triggered by anything from Hillary vs Kerry to how much pepper to put in your potroast) don't give it much thought. Just remember that we are family and if you find yourself in trouble, these same folks will go up against the wall for you.

So Welcome. And p.s. - you do know about the initiation after your 1000th. post, right? Hmmm, you may want to start looking now for a rubber chicken and a plastic raincoat. Ooops. I've said too much already.

[bliss_eternal]

240. Wow--that took major guts--Welcome to DU, Seen the light!

I certainly appreciate your honesty, and your ability to write what must have been very difficult for you.

We are sometimes a tad rowdy around here--make yourself at home, don't let the passion with which some argue scare you away. We don't always agree about everything, but we are a caring, compassionate group.

Hope you enjoy your stay!

There's so many degrees of progressiveness on this board. Some are very moderate, some way more liberal. You'll find your place in time. Take it all in small doses--we don't want to overwhelm you. :hi:

I've got some Republicans in my family, too. Don't take it personally if they don't all 'change' they way you may hope. Allow them to be who they are--but let them know you still care about them. In the grand scheme of things, that's what's most important. Not who people vote for...

Oh, and make sure they know we haven't brainwashed you, or put a curse on you...(haha)...we are sometimes accused of that.

bliss_e

[serryjw]

242. Truth......always see the LIGHT!

You should be proud of yourself. Not because you changed sides but rather you followed the truth where it lead and you accepted it. We all REALLY want the best for this country. It has been a long haul for most of us. You are very welcome here .... And bring all your friends
Namaste

[Catfight]

247. Thanks for sharing your story, it is inspiring. Would you call for

impeaching bush?

[Seen the light]

360. OOOOH yes nt

[no name no slogan]

248. Welcome aboard friend!

And you are absolutely correct about Jason Lewis. All I can say about that asshat is that I'm glad he's not in Minnesota anymore. He's one ex-Minnesotan I do not miss.

:hi:

[Ioo]

249. Welcome, you have a home here

[nc_liberal_lady]

250. Glad to have you from another Charlottean

You must get XM radio. WBT could not get any worse than Jason Lewis. I switched that station off permanently on election day and never ever go there. We'll be one of the last places to ever get Air America on our radios here. DU will become your lifeline for news and solace in these trying times.

[Esse Quam Videri]

258. Welcome to you!! nc_liberal_lady

As I posted above I am also a Charlottean and I see from your post count that you are new also. Don't let my low post count fool you. I have been lurking since the election - practically every day. I also never listen to BT and keep my computer streaming AAR all day at work to counter all the repugs listening to BT in other offices

[nc_liberal_lady]

261. Former "Lurker" myself

Can't even remember how I stumbled into here sometime last year before the election. It's a little intimidating actually posting because there are so many well-informed "old timers" and so much to read. Don't know how I would have survived without Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes (listenend to both over the internet before AAR). Just glad to be in Charlotte - rest of state is really red.

[Esse Quam Videri]

269. Yeah I've lived in Charlotte my whole life...

34 years and really wanted to move out of NC after the election. Other than Charlotte, Durham, Chapel Hill and Asheville not too many blue parts of the state.

[Geek_Girl]

252. Thank you For giving me Hope today!

I've been very depressed recently with all that has been happening to our country. Thanks for giving me hope.

[no name no slogan]

271. "When you've lost hope, you've lost everything"

-- from a sign currently hanging in the Houston Astrodome

Sometimes hope is all we have. But still, it's something

[tlsmith1963]

257. This is Great!

I hope to see more *conversion* stories like this one. We need plenty of people on our side if we are going to stop Bush. But I have a feeling we will be seeing more people coming to our side. Bush's behavior in the last few days regarding Katrina has to turn off anyone with a conscience.

Tammy

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

259. Welcome and thanks for an "enlightening" and courageous post,

STL. Hey, better late than never.

Your neighbor in VA.

[Maru Kitteh]

260. Welcome to the light. You know the scene in the Matrix?

Welcome to the rabbit hole, glad to have you on our side. In my experience, converted Republicans make some of the best Democrats. You have the authority of a conviction chosen through experience and thought, not merely inheritance and habit.

Good to have you aboard, and welcome.

[JohnLocke]

262. Welcome, STL.

:)

[Gemini Cat]

263. Welcome!

You've given me a lot of hope about the future.

Welcome to DU!

[Kerrytravelers]

265. Are you sure you're not my husband writing this post?

Welcome to DU!

No, I know you're not Mr. kt. He turned a 180 around 2001, after holding his nose and voting for the boy king in 2000. He was from a strict fundie house and it has caused problems in the family --- his side. Of course, they want to see the grandchildren, so they know they have to watch themselves.

Listen, I know it's tough. I've watched Mr. kt deal with the parental units. PM me if you ever need a bit of encouragement!

Again, welcome to DU!

[Kerrytravelers]

266. I forgot two things!

Here is a wave hello! :hi:
And a flag for the patriot! :patriot:

[Name removed]

267. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[porkrind]

268. Welcome to DU!

:)

It sounds like you are young and intelligent and interested in the world around you. That's a great way to be! Given your age, I don't you should feel too bad for supporting *. It takes a few years to see what the world is really about, and even longer if you start with a problematic family ideology. Don't stop thinking and observing. Good for you for being able to change your worldview as you learn and grow. That kind of adaptability is rare, and it will serve you well.

[growlypants]

270. Welcome to DU!!!! Glad to hear you made the switch. Hope there are

many like you out there. :grouphug: Now your next step is to start listening to http://shows.airamericaradio.com/listen (especially between 10pm and 1am for the Mike Malloy show)

[dpbrown]

272. Jason Lewis used to be up here in Minnesota

He still comes up here every once in a while to try to spread his vile right-wing propaganda.

Congratulations on finding the light on Bush. Those neocon creeps are ruining what's left of America.

[Jawja]

273. Welcome Aboard!

Together we can take our country back!

:hi:

[Arkana]

274. Wow--you were an actual Freeper?

Welcome to DU, and congratulations on finally seeing the light!

[stevedeshazer]

276. I sure hope you're for real, I really want to believe it

:)

[krkaufman]

278. Welcome, StL. Hope it isn't too bright for ya.

If interested, here's a couple great articles I generally recommend....

Naomi Klein: Baghdad Year Zero
James Fallows: Blind Into Baghdad


And a good book I just finished...
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (John Perkins)

[Jamison]

279. Welcome to DU!!!

Welcome to all you other n00bs too.:thumbsup:

I joined up back in February and I love this place. Read up on the threads here often. You'll learn and hear of so much news that the mainstream media ignores or censors out. Just being a part of this community has really expanded my mind, and I hope it does the same for you.

[FyurFly]

280. I'll admit , I voted for Bush in 2k

And I am truly sorry. I thought I was putting morals back into the White House, but boy was I wrong. I was scared before the Iraq war , and after the WMDs were non-existent, I stopped drinking the kool-aid. The BULL SHIT landing on the aircraft carrier sealed my hatred towards Bush. My opposition hit it's peak during his SOTU speech where he choose to discuss drugs in Baseball and writing bigotry into the Constitution against gay people! I fucking lost it during this speech, my wife turned it off on me, I was so livid. Young American Men and Women are dieing!!! yet we need to discuss adding bigotry into the constitution and steroids in fucking baseball when we have so many kids dieing FOR NOT A GOD MAN THING. America I am so sorry for voting for Bush in 2000.

--FyurFly

[FyurFly]

282. I will do my best...

to educate my friends that don't keep up with the news why we must return control of the House and Senate to the Dems in 2006, if not I'm an honestly afraid we may never see 2008 :(

If the Dems regain the House and Senate in 2006, is there enough votes to impeach Bush?


PS. If I ran a FUCKING horse association, would I be qualified to run FEMA?

--FyurFly

[Lecky]

283. Welcome we are glad you are here :) n/t

[Gregory1230]

281. Welcome!

[Maraya1969]

284. Your post just made my day! Thank you!

:hug: And Welcome to DU!!!!

[ailsa]

285. Welcome to DU, Seen the light!! I have a question...

Why is it that so many of those on the right still cling to
the notion that chimp is wonderful? How is it that some
people DO see the light and others just don't get it?

(OK, that was two questions)

But I'm so curious... it makes no sense to me!!

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

286. Thanks for the hope

:hug: I'm originally from Charlotte! :hi: I'm glad you sought the truth and wasn't totally into not looking for the truth yourself. Hopefully there are lots of others out there like you. :hug:

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

287. Thanks for sharing, dude, and

:patriot: welcome!

[FreedomAngel82]

289. I also wanted to say welcome

and I too know how it feels to find out the truth. It's hard and shocking but I would rather know the truth then to be lied to just to have fuzzy feelings. I remember being younger both of my parents were republicans (now just my dad but he's not a fundie or a freeper) and I used to want to be a republican. Then when I got older my views changed and I became a history buff and learned about everything and thanks to history and Michael Moore and other films I'm a democrat. Funny how reality changes you. :)

[snot]

288. Thank you for that, and welcome! . . .

The corporate media hasn't made it very easy for ANYONE to figure out what's really been going on.

My own biggest issues are:

Election reform
Media reform
Improving public education

I can live with Republicans winning the Presidency and Congress, IF they really won and IF the people were reasonably informed of the material FACTS and sufficiently educated to understand them.

If we have those three things, we will be able to deal with other problems adequately. But if we don't have those things, we won't be able to deal with anything adequately, and our "democracy" will be a sham.

[Demonaut]

290. now say two hail mary's for absolution....welcome to DU

I was hard on repugs on an another thread and I still stand by it hopefully others will see the light too:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[NNadir]

293. Welcome back to your country.

Lord knows our country needs everyone to help save it now.

[samsingh]

296. i hope you stay

[Roxy66]

297. I'm sorry it's been so painful with your family...but you are welcome here

Lets hope things can be fixed before it's too late.

[Carolab]

303. Thank you. Just one correction to your post.

It was election fraud, not voter fraud, that gave * his "mandate".

There is a great forum here on the 2004 election with a lot of very carefully researched information. I suggest you check it out. If we don't get our election system "un-rigged", there is no hope for ANY of us, reformed or not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[Nothing Without Hope]

304. Welcome to our community! We're stronger for having you join us.

The country's at a turning point now, and the alternatives couldn't be more opposite. Everything we can do to push for the truth and for exposure of the corruption and crimes of these monsters makes us that much more likely to tip toward, as you say, the light.

And your area can't be impossibly pro Bush - you are there, you are surrounded by the relentless propaganda and the pressure to conform....and yet here you are.

We need ALL of us to save and heal this country. I'm not a Christian, but I know that Jesus would weep and rage at what has been done in his name by these people. Surely there are people of genuine faith who will rediscover themselves when they turn away from the lying hypocrites and toward causes that are meant to bring people together and make the world better. Surely it's easier to follow Jesus' teachings when a person can work for love and tolerance and world peace.

It CAN be done. Thank you for your story, and - again - welcome!!!
:grouphug:

[Nostradammit]

305. Glad you're here, sir !!

All Hands On Deck

[bvar22]

306. Welcome to DU!

You have my sympathy about Jason Lewis.
We finally ran that asshole out of Minnesota.
Sorry he landed in NC.





Republican GREED has now KILLED more Americans than Al Qaeda!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[tblue37]

307. Seen, can you explain what it was about the RW that you found

appealing or believable? Was it that you were raised among right wingers and never thought to question received wisdom? I can tell from your writing that you are intelligent and have a better than average education. (Might I ask how old you are?) I am always trying to figure out how smart people can be fooled for so long. I have a few RW friends, and I can't figure them out.

Do you think the pervasiveness of the RW media and their constant harping on the old lie about the liberal press was a major factor in maintaining your belief system for so long? Did you ever consider the disconnect between what Jesus actually stood for and wha the RW, fudnamentalist Christians do and say?

I don't mean to interrogate you, but I am so curious.

BTW, welcome, welcome, welcome to DU and to the reality-based community. You have made my day!

[eridani]

309. I'm curious--what is the attraction of being a fundie?

What did you get out of it? Whatever it was, what you found here has somehow replaced it. How many fundies do you think can be reached?

[VolcanoJen]

320. Welcome, and right on, and this is what it's all about.

I've met more than my share of disillusioned southerners lately.

Welcome to DU!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

321. Hey hon

I want to send you a private message but it won't let me. :\ Do you accept private messages?

[spuddonna]

323. Welcome! :)

You sought the truth, and that changes people. I've changed many of my views over time, usually because of 'epiphanies' from talking to other people.

Welcome to DU!

"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." -Benjamin Franklin

"Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error." - Thomas Jefferson

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

[Historic NY]

325. Welcome to DU........

:hi:

[Qanisqineq]

327. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[ngGale]

333. A big....

DU welcome. :hi:

[SarahB]

335. Good.

Now keep your mind open and stick around. Any party is dangerous when they tell you how to think rather than allowing you to do so for yourself. I personally believe the Democratic party is far, far the lesser in that regard. We are a diverse group who think for ourselves and that lack of "everything is black and white... wrong or right" mentality can make things more complex, but in the end, I think it will ultimately show that we are the ones who truly love this country.

Stick around. Peace. :)

[Lochloosa]

337. Welcome to the Light and Welcome to DU

[Celebration]

338. The ONLY thing Repugs in my family get speechless about

Here is what my mother in law had never considered--who is PAYING for the war in Iraq? Who is buying our debt? Who is going to OWN us, and already OWNS us due to our dependence on them to finance the Iraq War.

The CHINESE!!

That'll get 'em. Bet they never thought of it.

[NewJeffCT]

341. OK, I have a confession to make, too

I've never been a conservative, or right of center or even a moderate.

I was born in 1966 and even when I was 10-11 years old and there was a big national push for ERA (the Equal Rights Amendment), I could not understand why anybody would be opposed to equal rights for women, and that attitude helped shaped my views over these last 30 years. (Egads, I'm going to be 40 in 15 months!!!)

Another thing that helped me with my dislike of Republicans happened even earlier - the Watergate hearings on TV. I used to come home from school to watch cartoons on TV in the afternoon... however, because of Nixon, my cartoons were interrupted by Watergate hearings, so I blamed him for it!!

[Witchy_Dem]

344. I remember 'suffering' through Watergate too!! My parents tried to tell

me how BIG it was that we were seeing something monumental. How quickly we forget...

[ronnykmarshall]

342. Welcome to the leftwing moonbat world.

Now you must go see every Jane Fonda film and listen to the Dixie Chicks.

:silly:

Seriously, and since you've lurked here you know that I'm not known for being serious ...... welcome!

As Randi Rhodes says "You're a REAL man!".

[Hissyspit]

345. Welcome. And now with Katrina...

and the Bush administrations pathetic leadership and reaction, we can't keep up with all the new traffic here!

People slowly but surely realizing what 'monsters' these people are and that you have to go to a fake news show (The Daily Show) and to bloggers and discussion forums (Democratic Underground) to get a sense of what the truth really is.

[B3Nut]

346. Yet another ex-GOP/Fundie welcomes you!

Paradigm shifts can be scary as hell, but you'll feel better afterward. I finally jumped ship late last August, the GOP convention and RW radio (Rush and local hostess Vicki McKenna in Madison) started to become painful. Scales were falling, and I wasn't liking what I saw at all. I was already mad at them for the Patridiot Act, and the stream of bovine excreta was becoming unbearable. I had not yet registered to vote since moving here, so I got the forms online, registered as a Democrat, and mailed 'em in. Voted straight donkey. First time I had ever voted for a Dem in a national election. It felt rebellious and subversive. I loved it. :D

Here's hoping more and more see the light. Many Dem politicians aren't perfect (and a handful are icky, viz. Zell Miller) but the overall ideals are IMHO more consonant with the teachings of Jesus than the unregulated-capitalism dogma of the modern GOP. Thanks for sharing, and welcome aboard!

Todd in Beerbratistan
Member of the reality-based community since 7/04

[DinahMoeHum]

347. Welcome home. There's a saying I've heard that fits you. . .

and it's been said for drug/alcohol victims:

"We can't promise you the gates of Heaven will open and let you in if you quit/see the light. . .
But, we promise you the gates of Hell will open and let you out"

:hug:

[sellitman]

348. You made my day!

Welcome to DU and welcome to the true party of Compassion.



*Spelling error fixed

[quisp]

349. Glad the scales have fallen from your eyes

and Welcome to DU

[Ilsa]

350. Hugs and Welcome to DU! Glad to have you with us! eom

[oc2002]

351. Congratulations and welcome aboard, we need all the help we can get.

To see more people see for themselves that this administration is corrupt bunch of oilmen that only care about thier contributors and cronies..

God Save America from these Crooks and Liars.

[Beelzebud]

352. Welcome to DU. We need more rational AMERICANS like yourself.

Kudos to you for thinking for yourself.

[Left Is Write]

353. Wow. I'm glad to hear this.

You can still work to change things: midterm elections are next year. Get the word out! Work for progressive candidates at the local and national levels. Volunteer with your local Democratic Party.

And welcome to DU.

[negativenihil]

354. Welcome :) Glad you're here! n/t

[drfresh]

356. Thanks for your story

And welcome to DU :)

[wtmusic]

359. Holy crap

You've renewed my faith in mankind.

Welcome to DU

:toast:

[Bassic]

361. Now that's a breath of fresh air

Thanks for posting that and welcome to DU

[movie_girl99]

362. what an awesome post

now please spread the word that we're not all a bunch of conspiracy theorist wackos. We love our country and will fight tooth and nail to keep the Neocons from taking it down the toilet.

[Walt Starr]

364. Nice words

PArdon me if I remain skeptical until I see how they play out as far as actions go.

[ArkDem]

365. Wow, i believe this post is 100% authentic!

[Marnieworld]

366. Thank you so much for this post!

I am choked up and touched right now reading this. So much of the results of the actions of this administration are so horrific and knowing about them is so painful. So many Bush supporters are so passionate and locked into their beliefs that I've always considered them lost causes. The fact that you were once so passionate and then changed really, really has given me hope that it's possible for others too. You shouldn't feel guilty though.

You had ideals that you believed in. You had a country that you loved and cared about. You wanted to believe your leaders. Your only mistake was believing lies and trusting people who should be telling the truth. The whole media system is part of the lies and it is so very hard to get accurate information. I applaud the part of you that stayed open to something that opposed your belief system. I applaud the part of you that kept pursuing the truth though it must have been so painful to let the certainty that you had go. I applaud the part of you that can admit making a judgement mistake. I applaud the part of you that has evolved and grown for the better. You and the people who believe in the Bush lies are not the enemy but just another kind of victim. Reality really really sucks right now and you should be proud that you are facing it with strength and your eyes open. Thanks. And spread the word.

[KatyaR]

367. Welcome, my brother!

We've always got room in the pew for you.

Congratulations on wading through the muck and mire to get closer to the truth.

[Career Prole]

368. Welcome, friend! n/t

[TOOLZ]

369. Truth floats to the top. Welcome to DU!

[Gregorian]

370. And that light is truth.

If I could reach through this screen and shake your hand and give you a hug, I would. Please accept a warm welcome.

Obviously you were looking for the truth. You found it. Thank God.

Thank you for seeking and thank you for sharing it with us.


edit- Just a warning. If you are interested in learning more about what has really taken place, I suggest you strap on a seat belt, because it's a hell of a read.

[mmonk]

371. NC'er here,

welcome.

[Jokinomx]

373. Welcome ....

Your post gives me hope. Thank you so much for sharing your feelings. I have some born again fundamentalists in my Family and I know deep down they are wonderful people. None of them would intentionally hurt anyone. That doesn't make it any easier for me to see my own Family blinded by this administrations propaganda and the right wing Christian agenda.

Anyway... You made my day as we all try to come to grips with where this country is really heading under this administration. Hopefully, one by one others will also change, so we can get our country back.


:kick::toast:

[rosesaylavee]

375. thank you for writing that...

it took a lot of courage to do it. My advice, keep your eyes open and try to find a source for the information given you - even on here.

I think if I had done that, I wouldn't have voted so much as a Republican early on in my life either. I think there are many more reformed Republicans on this site than you might think!

I will always regret voting for a non-career politician, an a-political high school wrestling coach from Yorkville, Illinois. A man I thought would bring a fresh perspective to the DC scene. Wrong. This was many years ago and now if this meglomaniac is Speaker of the House and cares little for anyone not in his private circle or circle wannabes.

Problem is - we will forgive you fairly easy. Forgiving yourself is the hard thing.

[aintitfunny]

376. Welcom to DU

So glad to read about your political turn around. It did give me some hope.

[Straight Shooter]

377. Yowza!

Welcome to DU, friend, where you can share your thoughts and mingle with the reality-based citizens of America.

:patriot:

[Penndems]

378. Welcome to DU, STL

And thank you for sharing your story. Looking forward to reading more of your posts! :hi:

[VOX]

379. Seen the light, if you're sincere, I have the utmost respect for you!

Forgive me for being a "doubting Thomas," but all too often these days we're cautioned, "if it sounds too good to be true, then it is."

However, I believe that the ultimate proof will be in the pudding -- I'm looking forward to your continued posting, and wish you all the best!

Cheers -- :toast:

[joanne]

380. Giving this a well deserved kick

[Clark2008]

381. Good to have you here.

I'm a neighbor - over in East Tennessee - and I completely understand your history and background, even though I was raised by fairly liberal parents (one liberal and a the other a Reagan Democrat).

I used to be an Independent. I still have never registered as a Democrat since it's not required to vote in primaries in my state. I like Fred Thompson and John McCain and Jimmy Duncan. I've always liked more Dems than Republicans, but I could understand the anti-tax and spend sentiment that spread throughout the South in 1994 (even though I thought Frist was the anti-Christ).

I voted for McCain over Bush in the 2000 primaries because I thought Bush was an imbicle, even then. I wanted Gore, but could have tolerated and even, at times, appreciated McCain. In short, I wouldn't have hated McCain.

Since Bush's selection, I've become more and more liberal - a pull against the push of neoconservatism. The PNAC makes my blood boil and the holier-than-thou theocrats make the true Christian in me shudder.

I'm glad you've come over to learn more. We have to take our country back - and that means from elistist Dems, too. Those in both parties who sell out the poor and middle-class to the corporations to line their own pockets.

American is going down the crapper because of these people - and the more people, like yourself, who see this light, the easier it will be to put America back on track for Americans again.

:hug:

[Maat]

382. Welcome!

I also recommend "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock.

It is what got my 'progressive activist' thing going.

AND "Confessions of an Economic Hitman."

[Maat]

383. And David Brock wrote a 2nd book ..

very enlightening, called 'The Republican Noise Machine."

And one cannot help but be moved by the info. in 'Hijacking Catastrophe.'

Buy the DVD.

I am a former Republican. Ironically, I was a feminist, believing in equal opportunity for women when I came of age in the late 70's. I thought that I could be a hot-shot, well-off powerful woman, working in aerospace. I happened to listen closely to the rumors of where those arms were being shipped.

It was in 1991 that I saw the light (about 14 years ago); becoming a social worker changed things for me. Working with the poor and mentally ill made me realize how much I had been lied to all of the preceeding years about how things really worked.

And, after becoming an internet regular, I confirmed that the United States had been shipping critical weapons, such as Stinger missiles, to Bin Laden and Hussein. That rings true.

Thanks for your story, Seen-the-Light. I've become a very dedicated progressive. I certainly do not believe in fiscal irresponsibility. But engaging in an illegal, immoral and unnecessary invasion of another sovereign nation, in contravention to the U.N.'s directive, creating a huge deficit, and hence selling us to the Chinese is not Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or conservative. It is the result of twisted NeoCon thinking, replete with greed.

[BlueIris]

385. Perhaps you would like to share with us what you lost during Bush's 1st.

We're all about sharing the pain here. I'd like to hear more of your story.

[BlueIris]

387. No, seriously, tell us about what you personally lost.

As a result of the ascension, that is. And, please, don't feel the need to hold back. You're safe here. Many posters on this website, as you may know if you have lurked as assiduously as you post, have shared many stories about the way that Bush policies have destroyed their lives, the lives of close family members and friends, not excluding the deaths of those who have perished at the hand's of Bush's ineptitude and brutality.

Feel free. We're here for you.

[BlueIris]

388. Interesting.

Seriously, Seen the light, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. There may be something you've neglected to mention about why you decided to unburden yourself here, drawing a whopping 386 posts from my fellow DUers. Maybe you are too reluctant to post something so personal within this community. However, a lot of what we post here at DU is very personal. Many members of this website are sensitive, caring human beings. We won't judge you if you want to disclose it, so please, once again, tell us about how the Bush Administration has not worked for you, in a personal sense. You post that you think of Bush as a "monster"--there must be a reason for you to use such a negative description of him. Let's hear it.

[opihimoimoi]

386. The DU Soap is the best for washing blood off.....

Welcome and hope Reason and Common Sense prevails....else all is doomed....