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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:23 PM
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John Stossel: USDA Grade A wanker
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 06:23 PM by Kelvin Mace
http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/mt/archives/002764.html

In praise of price gouging
John Stossel

Politicians and the media are furious about price increases in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. They want gas stations and water sellers punished.

Consider this scenario: You are thirsty -- worried that your baby is going to become dehydrated. You find a store that's open, and the storeowner thinks it's immoral to take advantage of your distress, so he won't charge you a dime more than he charged last week. But you can't buy water from him. It's sold out.

You continue on your quest, and finally find that dreaded monster, the price gouger. He offers a bottle of water that cost $1 last week at an "outrageous" price -- say $20. You pay it to survive the disaster.

It saved her because people look out for their own interests. Before you got to the water seller, other people did. At $1 a bottle, they stocked up. At $20 a bottle, they bought more cautiously. By charging $20, the price gouger makes sure his water goes to those who really need it.


And if you don't HAVE $20 John, because you had to pay another gouger $20 for four gallons of gas, and another gouger $10 for a sandwich and another gouger $50 for diapers, and another $25 for ten jars of baby food, what then? Do I make use of a $5 dollars tire iron to save my baby?

You also overlook the fact that price gouging causes shortages due to panic buying. As people try to get more goods than they may need before the price goes up further, the supply dwindles and the your justification to raise prices increases.

Might the water have been provided by volunteers? Certainly some people help others out of benevolence. But we can't count on benevolence. As Adam Smith wrote, "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."


Smith was talking about normal business men in the course of normal business. A disaster is not a normal situation. I am sure he would loathe scumbags like you as much as I do.

Consider the storeowner's perspective: If he's not going to make a big profit, why open up the store at all? Staying in a disaster area is dangerous and means giving up the opportunity to be with family in order to take care of the needs of strangers. Why take the risk?


If every aspect of your interaction with humanity is part of a profit equation, then certainly your thinking makes sense. We have a name for people like you who view life this way, we call them sociopaths. These people do NOTHING that does not benefit them.

Any number of services -- roofing, for example, carpentry, or tree removal -- are in overwhelming demand after a disaster. When the time comes to rebuild New Orleans, it's safe to predict a shortage of local carpenters: The city's own population of carpenters won't be enough.


Now you are comparing apples to oranges. Roofers and carpenters are not needed for survival, except for people who value possessions more than people. Are we projecting here, John?

If this were a totalitarian country, the government might just order a bunch of tradesmen to go to New Orleans. But in a free society, those tradesmen must be persuaded to leave their homes and families, leave their employers and customers, and drive from say, Wisconsin, to take work in New Orleans. If they can't make more money in Louisiana than Wisconsin, why would they make the trip?


Because souless pricks like you run the government and ruined the economy so they have to get work where they can find it?

Some may be motivated by a desire to be heroic, but we can't expect enough heroes to fill the need, week after week; most will travel there for the same reason most Americans go to work: to make money. Any tradesman who treks to a disaster area must get higher pay than he would get in his hometown, or he won't do the trek. Limit him to what his New Orleans colleagues charged before the storm, and even a would-be hero may say, "the heck with it."


John? This is the reason we have government. Their job is to serve the people and deploy the resources. This why we pay taxes. It is also why we need to tax folk like you up the ass. You seem to believe that unless there is a profit in it, there is no reason for you to get involved, thus you are absolved of your responsibilities as a citizen. For some odd reason though, you expect the firemen and police to come when you call and the roads to be paved and the banks to obey laws requiring them not to cheat you.

If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to help. But they just don't understand basic economics. Force prices down, and you keep suppliers out. Let the market work, suppliers come -- and competition brings prices as low as the challenges of the disaster allow. Goods that were in short supply become available, even to the poor.


John? If you are ever on fire, pissing on you will cost $1,000. Cash only. In advance. After all, I have to turn a profit.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:25 PM
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1. Fabulous last line
My sentiments exactly.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:30 PM
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2. Is this for real?...I cannot believe that we've come to this
And don't fulfill his peverted fantasy, he'd probably torch himself just for the thrill of being pissed on
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:36 PM
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5. Sadly
you are probably right.

Yes, it is for real

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/js20050907.shtml

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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:30 PM
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3. Stossel is a Major Leauge wanker, agreed
isn't he the guy who got beat up by a wrestler (Hulk Hogan?) some years back on national TV?..............what a dickweed!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:30 PM
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4. Ah John Stossel, the libertarian loon
The only ABC "talent" with a special contract that allows him to lie on the air. A man who truly knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. May he spend eternity waiting hand and foot on those who died of neglect in the Gulf Coast states.
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:40 PM
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6. Great post, but I must confess: Your closing comments are the REAL reason
I'm bookmarking.

When the "gougers are our friend" meme hits the email circuit, those last five sentences will be my sole response.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:14 PM
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7. I have to slap this
guy if I ever meet him.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:16 PM
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8. The invisible hand ...
that always manages to slap the poor.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:17 PM
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9. Typical Two Dimensional Thinker
And of course, he leaves out the part about Adam Smith agreeing that gov't needed to control some elements of commerce because left to their own devices all merchants operating solely from self-interest will completely ignore the greater good and long term economic health. (I'm paraphrasing.)

But, of course, Stossel mentioning the whole theoretical construct would be inconvenient because his argument would decompose.

He's a tool.
The Professor
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:20 PM
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10. Stossel has zero credibility. He is a sell out from way back
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 07:21 PM by SpiralHawk
just another prettyboy propaganda puppet
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craigolemiss Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:35 PM
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11. $5 for the piss and $1000 for the aim
piss is cheap, but you want me to squander my Aiming Expertise
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:37 PM
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12. He's a clone of Geraldo.... n/t
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:40 PM
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13. Does he claim
to be an economist? Or just one of the body snatchers? This is one guy who will just never get it. Great post.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:56 PM
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15. Thanks
I think he claims to be a "journalist". I believ he is best known for faking exploding pickups.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:51 PM
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14. Yes great ending line
And he should be DAMN happy to pay that $1,000. And if he doesn't have the cash on him-too bad-he should have thought ahead!

Water is one of those basic non-negotiable things. Yes, everyone needs it and if those that "have it" by some ahem God given right-like they were born White, rich, in the right place and time or even worked hard their whole life-it still doesn't BELONG to them. It's not their provence to get to decide the cost of life and death.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:11 AM
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18. Most Americans hve NO idea
how important and rare clean water is.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:04 PM
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16. He should move to one of those places in Arizona
where they make you join the local fire department. If your house catches fire, they check to see if you're a member before they will put it out. And if you're not? They just pop open a 40-ouncer and sing a chorus of Disco Inferno ( "Burn, baby, burn!" ). Really.

No word on what happens if the fire should spread to the house next door, which happens to be owned by a member in good standing, or (this being Arizona, after all) if this appalling behavior should result in a wildfire.

Stossel should go live there. Hell, they'll probably make him mayor, or at least fire chief. :grr:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:24 PM
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17. love this line
"If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to help"

so what is it gonna be John? Is the guy trying to help himself or others? I don't get it.
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