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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:03 AM
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To allow Bush to remain president is National Suicide
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 02:20 AM by OKJackson
First off, before I begin I want to state it plain out that in this rant here, I am not ranting about "Illuminati" or "super dark secret governments" just a conglomerate of rich, connected morons who have been ruling our country through subversion of the law for more than a few decades.

I've seen some people on our side of late still being wishy washy about removing Bush from office. They keep repeating the same tired old line that we need to focus on the election and that Bush is unimpeachable they're too powerful and that there's no way that the Republican congress will do it so once again elections, yes, ELECTIONS are the answer! We must move the government further left!

Um, election?

You mean the ones they keep stealing?

Yes, we are about to rip the lid off and prove election theft happened. But until then, we should move and act as if we are at war to preserve our freedoms and have alreayd lost our right to vote.

BECAUSE WE ARE AND WE HAVE.

We can assume that with each election, representatives who will listen to us will shrink as they further erode and eventually outright destroy our rights.

So what does that mean?

That means if we don't move now, our position will continue to get weaker with each election. That's obviously not a good thing. So time is not our friend.

Now to those that think it's "okay" somehow to leave Bush in office... that it's something we must learn to tolerate and "nothing can change that."

You find that your roomate who is leaving in two weeks has gone off the deep end with chemical drugs and is sitting in your living room with a loaded shotgun.

He says not to worry he'll be out in two weeks.

So... do you run away, do something, or let his time expire and behave as if nothing is wrong?

Bush has nukes.
The military.
Congress.

But Bush is just a figure head. He's not the brain of the operation nore the core of it. He's just their titular leader, and their main weapon against the American people.

To allow Bush to survive to the end of his term is national suicide.

It's a surrender to the enemy within.

They will see that we do not punish evil, and they will continue to increase their evil. But after this point, if we accept their evil? Then our nation is done, period. Think about it, we just reacted worse than third world country in rescuing poor black Americans. We're in a boondoggle, pre-emptive war based on lives that is bankrupting us.

None of this good.

They want more wars, and since recruitment is in the toilet and the military is spent... they will have to start a draft. Now they won't go here as long as we get rid of Bush now... because they are afraid to. But if we let Bush continue to be president... they'll interpret as we don't care and they'll go right back to making mince meat of America's young men.

How many thousands of young American boys do you want to kill with your inaction? Can you look into a fifteen year old boy's eyes and say "in three years you're head is going to be split open by machine gun fire in a foreign dirt hole because I gave up fighting the Bush adminisration.

They'll cause another New Orleans disaster.

Would you be able to look the families of the diseased in the eyes and say "I'm sorry your husband/wife/daughter died because I gave up the fight."

Imagine if you knew that something you deliberately did allowed something like the New Orleans disaster to happen? How screwed up would you be for the rest of you life?

Is that what you want?

Do you want a few thousand more dead Americans?

I apologize for the dramatic side of my argument but it's necessary. This fool has placed all of our lives in jeopardy with his ineffective stupidity. If we desire to survive, we must impeach him.

And it is possible, and the Republican congress will be the ones to put him out. Why? Because public opinion has already made Bush totally vulnerable, and the administration is heavily burdened with scandals that the Republican congressmen... those not guilty that is... don't have to be connected to. They don't have to share the crimes. They may have committed crimes... but if they stop now they face minor punishment at worst... whereas if they participate they threaten their freedom and possibly... well let's not got here for now.

Remember, this nation was formed on rebellion, it's part of our core and something we do automatically.

We have a fight born into us.

So please, stop acting like you don't have any fight left in you. If you don't have the strength to finish off Bush, who is already in a politically fatal situation, then shut up and leave it to those who have the energy and the desire to.

Negative naysaying at a point like this isn't beneficial to our end goal of liberating our nation from the cabal up there.

Don't forget, Bush is just the figurehead. Think of him as the corporate logo on a limousine. He's just a small piece of a really big machine that needs to be dealt with.

If we get him, I believe we can destroy that machine.

Chin down.

Eyes up.

March.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:05 AM
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1. Here's a realistic pic..
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:08 AM
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2. Corporate limousine with a logo
Says it all. I don't know whether the American people can be wakened or not, freepers, etc, are mindless followers.
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:35 AM
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4. They can't be wakened? They alread have been!
Look around you, heck, refresh the first three pages of general discussion for a day.

Bush is done.

I'm just trying to clean up the nay saying so we can put more wind to the sails to make sure the task is done with the most force.

:evilgrin:

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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:50 AM
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5. Mindless Followers?
I don't know that people are so much mindless followers, as they are just plain terrified. And, a primary response to a terrifying situation we can't control is denial.

No one wants to think they can identify with impoverished people. Because we know how God hates the poor. The Bible tells us so. It's easier, actually, to be a freeper. Blame the victim. The victims brought it on themselves because they committed a sin. They were poor. (Or the wrong color. Whatever.)

This wouldn't happen to "me." I'd be rescued, because I do all the "right things."

Indeed.

There but by the grace of FEMA go I.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:05 AM
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12. Hi, mestup
Welcome to DU :)Love the FEMA saying. And the sentiment.

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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:52 PM
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25. Thanks for the welcome! n/t
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:20 AM
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3. Death Surrounds Him
that was something a caller to Washington Journals said before the last election.
"national suicide" is a good way of putting it because it is true.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:51 AM
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6. and I so hate him for it.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:36 PM
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7. This is a most excellent rant that I read late last night
and I think it needs a kick for the day folks.
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:45 PM
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8. Thank you
Just trying to help.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:07 AM
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9. I am so freakin afraid of that man, that administration!
I believe they caused 9-11.
I have studied PNAC in disbelief of the way their minds work.

They are power-hungry assholes on a power trip.
They control the media.
They are trying to control the whole world.
They believe they are right, and only they are right.
And will do what ever it takes to prove it.

I am so afraid.

Afraid of all of the rights we are about to lose.
Afraid of breathing dirty air, drinking poisonous water.
Afraid of the way they deny science.
Afraid of the way they want to take away Social Security and Medicare.
And most of all, I am afraid that they have made the United States a #1 target for terrorists, and worse.

The only peace I have with this administration, is that I know they will all rot in HELL for all of the damage they have done!

And what is really sickening is that Al Gore won, and most likely, so did John Kerry. If either of the elections would have gone to the correct winner, we would not be where we are today.
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:17 AM
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13. He is scary from 6000km away too
Even over here we are scared of what he does with the environment, and not signing the Kyoto Treaty. I don't know anything about many of the other things you write because I can not follow American news as much :blush:

I know that the Bush Cabinet tries to take away the Social Security and Health Insurance when they need to actually give more. American taxes are very low and America is very rich, so America can pay more in taxes to get these things. It is crazy that Bush does not think America can afford to take care of his people. We pay 40%-50%-60% in taxes here to get our benefits and this is good, but the CDU and traitor Schroeder want to take this away.

One thing I am confused over, and I am sorry if I ask here a stupid question, but you say "they have made the USA a #1 target for terrorists" but I think no more terrorists have attacked the USA since 11/9. Am I wrong? I think the USA is a big target but Spain and the UK and France and Italy and the Netherlands and, scary, Germany are easy targets because the terrorists do not have to fly to get to us. My friends who go to USA all complain about too much security for the airplanes from Europe. I know I do not have all the information, so I am sorry if this is stupid question... My friends and I hear that USA works well against terrorists because the whole country works on it together. Is it only the "Repukes" who are doing it? If this is the case then they have been very lucky so far because they do stupid things....
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:36 AM
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14. Where are you from? (And welcome to DU!)
I think that the US has made enemies around the world for exact things like not joing the Kyoto Treaty, and by going into Iraq the way we did. For turning our back on the genocide in Darfur.

I feel like the world is mad at us. Are they?

Under Bush the rich got richer. And the middle class is going away.
The rich love him for his tax cuts, because they benefited the most.
Taxes are not a bad thing. Taxes pay for infrastructure, social programs, agencies like FEMA, security, schools, etc.
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:50 AM
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16. Deutschland!
Thank you for the kind welcome, people are very friendly here.

I do not speak for the world, but I think that Germany and German people are angry with the US government, mostly the President and the Senate because of the wars, and the arrogance, and the not signing of Kyoto by Bush and Clinton and the Senate. Americans are OK but they elect stupid leaders every time it seems...

Not that we are better with traitor Schroeder and now maybe the East German Dominatrix Angela Merkel. Do you follow the German elections at all? They will happen next weekend!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:07 AM
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17. You will have to be the one to educate us.
I really don't know much about German politics.

You should start a thread on it, especially if there are elections there next week. Are there any candidates that you like?

Btw, we are not so sure if Bush was elected.
Definitely not the first time, and probably not the second time.
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:06 PM
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18. There is a good thread here
already. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x153914

I think that there is much there to talk about.

Bush was not elected against Gore? Our newspapers said that the argument was finished. Even after the Supreme Justices decided I think there was a count by the newspapers, yes? I don't know, I ask because all I know is what I read. Even if people broke the rules I think that many people voted for Bush. They could not make a fake vote for millions of people. Or can they? I don't know, please explain to me. Sorry for being stupid...
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:42 PM
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19. Actually
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 01:47 PM by OnionPatch
The votes were finally all counted and the NY Times was ready to report that Al Gore would have won had they all been counted but this story was set to run the day after 9-11 and they killed it. They said they were afraid to ruin the "unity" after the tragedy. I'm sure some fellow DUer has a link to the whole story. Gore should have been our president in 2000.

Oh, by the way: Welcome to DU!!
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:07 PM
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20. Thank you
It is good to come here for friendly discussion.

Yes, I can see that maybe the New York Times might want "unity" after this terrible attack, but to change an election? The press has great power in America!

I would like to see this story you speak of, maybe someone can help?
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:57 AM
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26. Sorry to take so long
This thread sank a long time ago, I know, but I didn't feel like I could just ignore your requests for info on this important matter and you don't have enough posts to send you a personal message. Anyway, here's a link to the Washington Post story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
Notice the title says "Recounts would have favored Bush." That's because the recounts Gore was requesting were only for several counties, not the whole state. If those counties were recounted, Bush won. (The recount was never finished before the Supreme Court appointed Bush.) Now, read the subtitle; if the whole state had been recounted, Gore won. Almost all the big media presented the info this way: "Bush won!" but read the small print.

Add to that all the monkey business, like all the voters who were wrongfully removed with the felon purge list by Catherine Harris. There is a great book by Greg Palast called "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" that explains how Bush cronies stole the election. Al Gore should be our president. No doubt in my mind. Here's another link. It's from a partisan site, Democrats.com but it has a lot of link to prove their case.
http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181
I'm sure other DUers have much better links, etc., but I have to go to work now. No time!
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:26 PM
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21. Bush does ***NOT*** control the media
First off, we have all access to independant media on-line.

The media you speak of is corporate, and while they have helped Bush in the past, they attacked him very hard this last week. If Bush controlled the media Katrina feedback would have been very soft on the news.

They are separate, remember that, it's an important detail.

Just like Katrina proves, under the right circumstances they will abandon Bush.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:36 AM
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10. Welcome to DU. Stick with it. And, definitely call all Republican ...
.... Senators and inform them that they really have only one hope of survival, in their careers as Senators and as a Republican -- go to the White House and demand Bush and Cheney resign immediately and start demonstrating cooperative efforts to rebuild what Bush and the neoconsters have destroyed.

I am finding the reactions of the staff in many of these Senators' offices quite interesting -- those young folk answering the phones and others in these Senators' offices realize it's hot in the kitchen and it's getting hotter by the moment.

Press for Bush and Cheney to resign. Be prepared to never again fail at our citizen's responsibility for persistent due diligence and holding accountable those we hire and pay to be our government.


Peace.
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:30 PM
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22. Resign? Impeach! We *CAN* do it!
We need to impeach him so we can try him for crimes.

Removing him from office isn't enough, that's almost just as bad as just leaving him in office. The machine that put him there will just find another replace him and keep infiltrating the Democratic party. The machine has people in both parties, it's dead obvious if you watch. DUers have commented on "odd" Democratic behavior before. They're like the media, "afriad" (unwilling) to call a spade a spade.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:49 PM
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24. Fantastic Post Jackson! Yes, KILLERS NEED TO BE LOCKED UP FOR LIFE.
kick for the Truth

Impeach will ultimately lead to Peace.


Thousands and thousands have died and will continue to do so, if these murderers are not convicted NOW.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:56 AM
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11. Yes, agreed. And the rightwing rats will jump ship.
Under our Constitution, removal of a President is a political exercise. The Rule of Law of course is a factor, but it has been corrupted. Politics must be the answer. We must stick together in a show of unity that is unflinching in a single purpose. Remove the criminals in the White House. Our party leaders must show the same unity, or all will be lost. The soft middle of Americans (good and true people) that do not have strong ideological or political views will be drawn to our side by our unity. They see unity as strength and they are not totally mistaken. The unity of the neo-con movement is what has attracted them. Our message is better but we are seen as weak because we lack unity. The issues that divide us (pro-war/anti-war, pro-life/pro-choice, etc.) are being exploited by our enemies. We all want * removed, and we should elevate this goal above other disagreements. We need to take back middle America that has been scared away from us by the Rove media machine. I believe this can only be done only through unity.

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:40 AM
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15. Marching boots ready.... Signs in the car!
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 01:40 AM by ClayZ
Sept. 24th we will show them who we are!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:40 PM
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23. brilliant.........
Thank you for taking the time to spell it out so clearly. Very inspiring. Hell, yeah, we can continue to fight!!!!! We really don't have a choice. THE TIME IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kicked and recommended
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:34 PM
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27. We do have a choice - Slave? Or free men?
Do you want to be a slave to an upper class of pseudo religious kooks and their overseas beneficiaries, or do you want to be a free man (or woman) for the rest of your life?

That is our choice.
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