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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:29 AM
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Lying On A Fed Job Application..re. Brown What's the Penalty?
Falsifying info to secure a job is worthy of firing.
Falsifying info on a resume to secure a position with the Federal Gov't., and one of a rank such as Brown secured should be a federal offense punishible by SOME fine and/or SOME prison time, You'd think.

Bet george W(worthless) awards Brown a Medal of Honor.
Can we speak loudly to our media and our Congress to ask for criminal prosecution of this man who gave false info?

Anyone else would be in Fed Prison.

I'm sending a request to demand charges be filed.

Will you join me..DUer's?

Thanks
Blaze

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:31 AM
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1. But he's doing
a heck of a job :)
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:31 AM
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2. I Totally Agree -- Isn't There Some Kind Of Special Thing
For when you are applying for jobs that fall under the category of special clearances, public safety etc.?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:32 AM
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3. You are forced to wear a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Except of course, if your resume includes a drinking binge at the time you were supposed to be in the Air National Guard, protecting Alabama from the Viet Cong. Then you get to hand out medals of freedom.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:34 AM
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7. *sad laugh* ayuh... that's the way of it
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:32 AM
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4. lying on an application?
I think that deserves a medal, a really, really big one. A Mr. T sized medal of gaudy gold. :sarcasm:
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:33 AM
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5. I actually did take a white collar crime class in law school.
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 10:34 AM by abernste
This is a catch-all statute that applies in this type of situation. Technically, what Brown did was DEFINITELY criminal under this statute. However, it is applied only selectively.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001001----000-.html
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:49 AM
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15. I assume you know that's one of the laws Martha Stewart was convicted
of breaking and for which she is serving time. :hi:
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:34 AM
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6. One of the major blogs said he could lose his law license
I'm sure there is some sort of "lying to the government" charge that could be applicable.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:35 AM
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8. He also lied to Congress but that now seems to be the norm instead
of a rarity with bush nominees.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:52 AM
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18. William Rehnquist lied to Congress too during his confirmation hearing
From Alan Dershowitz article on Rehnquist:

As a law clerk, Rehnquist wrote a memorandum for Justice Jackson while the court was considering several school desegregation cases, including Brown v. Board of Education. Rehnquist’s memo, entitled “A Random Thought on the Segregation Cases,” defended the separate-but-equal doctrine embodied in the 1896 Supreme Court case of Plessy v. Ferguson. Rehnquist concluded the Plessy “was right and should be reaffirmed.” When questioned about the memos by the Senate Judiciary Committee in both 1971 and 1986, Rehnquist blamed his defense of segregation on the dead Justice, stating – under oath – that his memo was meant to reflect the views of Justice Jackson. But Justice Jackson voted in Brown, along with a unanimous Court, to strike down school segregation. According to historian Mark Tushnet, Justice Jackson’s longtime legal secretary called Rehnquist’s Senate testimony an attempt to “smear[] the reputation of a great justice.” Rehnquist later admitted to defending Plessy in arguments with fellow law clerks. He did not acknowledge that he committed perjury in front of the Judiciary Committee to get his job.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/huffpost/20050905/cm_huffpost/006844_200509050016
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:17 AM
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24. Yep, it used to be that lying to Congress under oath could
garner up to a 5 year prison term, now it seems it garners the job. Very sad state of affairs to be sure.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:18 AM
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25. Very, very sad. But the real question is
Why doesn't Congress get up in arms about this? They have an oversight function to perform, and a duty of advise and consent.

It would appear to me that they couldn't do those jobs well, if they are being lied to.

But then again, they are liars too!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:24 AM
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26. Congress hasn't done it's job since shortly after Nov. 2001
from what I have noticed. A prime example is Joe Lieberman's extolling of Brown during his confirmation hearings. There seems to be a mantra among many, not all, of "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies".

Another prime example is the passage of the 51 billion dollars of Aid, put under the control of FEMA, without the time to even read the bill, all too many timesthis happens.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:38 AM
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27. You hit the nail on the head, unfortunately! eom
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:36 AM
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9. You get fucking fired like anyone else....
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:37 AM
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10. Bushco Shit Don't Stink
Didn't you get the memo?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:43 AM
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11. Promotion and a raise, of course.
Brownie is apparently a member of the in crowd.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:44 AM
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12. That would be a double promotion
Or a single promotion and two medals.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:47 AM
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13. ding ding winner here!
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:48 AM
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14. One year, $100K fine
A violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 2 and 1018. Each count carries a maximum possible penalty of 1 year imprisonment, $100,000 fine, and a period of supervised release.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:53 AM
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20. And as a federal employee..
I can tell you that if I had lied on my applications and forms, I would have definitely been subjected to that penalty.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:51 AM
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16. In the B*shCabalInc.™ world, you get to go home and keep your comfy...
TITLE and PAYCHECK...
while they find someone else to actually DO your job.
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elare Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:52 AM
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17. A medal if you're Republican
Likely execution if you're a Democrat
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:53 AM
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19. Got a link?
I missed the story about Brown fudging his resume
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:07 AM
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21. Sure
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 11:13 AM by acmejack
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:14 AM
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23. not to put to fine a point on it acmejack but what do your links have to
with the discussion at hand? Have I missed something. One is the act that created WIA which is the new and "improved" job training partnership act (the old JTPA) and the other is about truck drivers driving too many hours.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:08 AM
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22. link
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:56 PM
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28. What's the penalty? higher salary and promotion. They knew about the lies
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