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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:09 PM
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That couple stopped by the Gretna police on MSNBC right now
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:10 PM
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1. thanks for heads up
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:11 PM
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2. details, please!
Thank you!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:14 PM
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4. Said folks in cars were allowed through to Gretna, not those on foot.
Sheriff came by later after they had retreated further back and ordered them off the bridge and loaded their provisions (food, water) into his car, taking them away.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:13 PM
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3. Dan Abrams says he's gonna play their story
for the Gretna sheriff in about 45 minutes. They said they told them they couldn't cross the bridge because, "we're not going to have any Superdomes here" and "this is not New Orleans".
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:25 PM
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23. The two white EMTs--Lori Beth Slonsky and
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 05:28 PM by LandOLincoln
Larry Bradshaw--told Dan Abrams about being prevented (at gunpoint) from crossing the Crescent City bridge into Gretna in Jefferson Parish. (Isn't Aaron Broussard parish president?)

Slonsky mentioned that they were two of only a very few white faces in the group of about 90 people, and made it clear that she assumed racism was the reason they were not allowed into Gretna.

What's even more shocking is that the group then set up a sort of camp on the freeway, and the sheriff later confronted them at gunpoint, screaming obscenities, and drove them off, confiscating what little food and water they had as well.

Knowing Abrams is a lawyer, I can't wait to see if this sheriff is even willing to face him and the two EMTs.


Edited to add Bradshaw's name, which I'd forgotten.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:58 PM
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31. Important points to be aware of
Because freeps will start throwing this one at us, for sure....

The food the sheriff confiscated had come to the group via a couple pallets of MRE's that had fallen off a military vehicle (so freeps will probably say it belonged to the military) ... I say the military had other resources to replace the fallen pallets and the soldiers weren't going hungry. Starving, trapped people take precedence.

The water came from a water delivery truck that someone in the group had "commandeered" and brought to their camp. (so freeps will likely say 'stolen goods')... that accusation falls into the category of black = looting vs. white = finding that the media has already been reprimanded for. This wasn't a truck full of plasma TV's. It was water and these were people in dire straits.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:20 PM
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34. Heads up, everybody! Abrams talking to that
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 06:23 PM by LandOLincoln
Jeff County police chief NOW.

On edit: Man, what a creepy looking dude. Shoe-polish (dyed) black hair and a light grey/brown 'stache.

Now he's denying that he took their food and water. Says it's mistaken identity.

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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:25 PM
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37. Also saying "ludicrous" a lot...
Give him enough rope, Abrams, and he'll hang himself! What an asshole!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:15 PM
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5. And they claim the sheriff took their provisions.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:15 PM
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6. I think NPR's Ira Glass interviewed them also
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 05:17 PM by eleny
I believe this woman was on the program "This American Life" today. Listen to it if it's archived on NPR. It was incredible. See the DU thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4726664&mesg_id=4726664

These are the truths that will conme out and create such a blowback.

Edit: Reading Patsy's response here, I'm sure these are the same people on This American Life program today on NPR. Listen to it people. It's full of details. I bet this is why Abrams had them on his program. Bless you, Dan!
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misha227 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:16 PM
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7. Could they not have taken the 3 ft tall Peace sign down?
I'm just saying...let's not make it any easier for people to dismiss everything they say. They did come off as a little, uhm, flaky to me. I do believe they're telling the truth, but it looks like it will be easy for the spin meisters to portray them as out-of-touch hippies.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:17 PM
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9. They did have a lot of peace signs displayed. They were even wearing
some I think.
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:21 PM
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17. I also think they are members of
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 05:24 PM by DanaM
the Socialist Workers Party. That's where the story was first published. http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/556/556_04_RealHeroes.shtml

This connection will hurt their credibility, even though the story can be corroborated.

(Please don't flame me, I'm just making an observation.)

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misha227 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:32 PM
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26. Don't worry, DanaM, I already took some hits on that one! eom
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:17 PM
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10. Flaky? What interview where you watching? n/t
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misha227 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:24 PM
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22. Well, for one thing...
the woman did say something to the effect that they had created a little community right there on the freeway. That could be perceived as a little odd, perhaps overly sentimental? In any case, I've said that I believe them and have since I read the original report. I just worry that they may be easy for others to dismiss.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:19 PM
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12. You're spinning lies and nonsense
And we all know it. Be ashamed, very ashamed - if you're capable of feeling any empathy at all.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:20 PM
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15. Bingo! n/t
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:19 PM
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13. These aren't the only ones this happened to.
It was a despicable act on the part of authorities and should and will be condemned.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:19 PM
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14. Pizza!?!
:bounce:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:21 PM
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16. so peace signs equate flakiness to you...
...interesting. :eyes:
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misha227 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:29 PM
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25. Not just peace signs, overall tone and choice of words
It doesn't seem odd to talk of having formed a "community" in a matter of hours? I can tell you it will seem odd to lots of people out there. Whether it seems odd to me or not wasn't really the point of my post--I was saying that they would be easy targets for the spin machine.

Sorry not ashamed yet.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:37 PM
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27. well gee-whiz, since you seem to have the "pulse" of
the country and are so PR savy, maybe you should give them a call. I'm sure they'd love to take you up on your "image consulting" services.

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misha227 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:05 PM
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33. Speaking of PR, just want to say "Thanks!"
for the warm welcome.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:23 PM
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36. you fired the first volley by calling folks
who advocate peace, "flaky".

I don't suffer bs gladly.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:56 PM
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29. Have you ever been in a disaster? n/t
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:21 PM
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35. You have a problem with peace?
:crazy:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:16 PM
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8. Didn't the couple say they are paramedics?n/t
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:18 PM
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11. Yes they said they were paramedics.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:22 PM
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18. Yes, that's why their group grew to so many in number
They started out as a handful of people and grew to dozens and dozens. Their med background attracted people to them.

Listen to the NPR interview I detailed up-thread. They are some of the best in what America can be.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:22 PM
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19. Oh, then I read their story.
Harrowing, to say the least.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:22 PM
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20. I'll bet this is the same story
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090805A.shtml

Hurricane Katrina - Our Experiences
By Parmedics Larry Bradsahw and Lorrie Beth Slonsky
EMSNetwork News

Tuesday 06 September 2005

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the "victims" of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed, were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New

Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of

New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile "law enforcement".

We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the buses are there."

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.

Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, the only two City shelters sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape the misery New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so down the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and candies for kids!).

This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or 90 people.

From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims" they saw "mob" or "riot". We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together" was impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat for hours waiting to be "medically screened" to make sure we were not carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome. Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist.

There was more suffering than need be.

Lives were lost that did not need to be lost.

Bradshaw and Slonsky are paramedics from California that were attending the EMS conference in New Orleans. Larry Bradshaw is the chief shop steward, Paramedic Chapter, SEIU Local 790; and Lorrie Beth Slonsky is steward, Paramedic Chapter, SEIU Local 790.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:27 PM
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24. This sounds like a transcription of the Ira Glass interview
Thanks so much for posting it! Such and ordeal and such strength of ordinary people. But why did the government treat Americans like they did? Why has this become government vs citizens, right wing againsnt the rest. It could have happened to any of us and still might from the looks of it.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:57 PM
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30. Absolutely, and we must to everything in our power to make sure
that these primary source reports are heard far and wide.

Here's another even more abhorrant tale:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months."

We then lug all food products requiring cooking back to the car. We start unloading our snacks. Mom appeared to have cornered the market in five counties on pop-tarts and apparently that was an acceptable snack so the guy started shoving them under the counter. He said these would be good to tied people over in between their two meals a day. But he tells my mother she must take all the breakfast cereal back. My mother protests that cereal requires no cooking. "There will be no milk, ma'am." My mother points to the huge industrial double-wide refrigerator the church had just purchased in the past year. "Ma'am, you don't understand...

It could cause a riot."

He then points to the vegetables and fruit. "You'll have to take that back as well. It looks like you've got about 10 apples there. I'm about to bring in 40 men. What would we do then?"

My mother, in her sweet, soft voice says, "Quarter them?"

"No ma'am. FEMA said no...

It could cause a riot. You don't understand the type of people that are about to come here...."

I turn and walk out of the room...lugging all the healthy stuff back to the car. My son later tells me the man went on to say "We've already been told of teenage girls delivering fetuses on buses." My son steps toward him and says "That's because they've almost been starved to death, haven't had a decent place to get a good night's sleep, and their bodies can't keep a baby alive. I'm not sure that's any evidence some one should be using to show these are 'bad people'."





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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:58 PM
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32. Very simple eleny. They captured their first US city and intended to
leave few prisoners alive. Already Bush is divvying up New Orleans amongst his cronies, just like he did Baghdad.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:56 PM
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28. Sitting here again, crying, as to the inhumanity and humanity of man. nt
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:23 PM
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21. Miz t. has a bunch of cousins in and around NOLA.
She's from a huge Cajun family, although the term "huge Cajun" may be a redundancy of modifiers. I've never met a small Cajun family.
;-)
By her definition "lower-middle-class to...um...maybe a little lower than that."

She says "That's the most racist bunch of kin I have. They're not like the Lake Charles bunch or the Houston clan. They hate 'niggers', and they don't like 'mescans' very much either."

Anyway, that's what she says.
:shrug:
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