OMG-- maybe not negligence but rather a strategy!!!

[TexanDem]

OMG!!
Craig Crawford - Congressional Quarterly, just said on Olbermann that he suspects this was not just a dropping of the ball, that he could see this as strategy to not be left limited resources in case of a big attack! In other words, let these few thousand die but we can't use up resources and leave another area vulnerable!!! OMG!!

[texpatriot2004]

1. Yikes. n/t

[radfringe]

27. here's the booga-booga

bush*'s numbers are in the toilet -- Katrina is 24/7 news and mostly about how Bush blew it... so it should come as no surprise..

Masked man makes terror threats in tape
Mon, Sep. 12, 2005

NEW YORK — A tape delivered to ABC News in Pakistan this weekend features a masked man making terrorist threats against Los Angeles and Australia.

ABC News reported that the man is believed to be Adam Yahiye Gadahn, an American from California purported to be an al-Qaeda member and wanted by the FBI. The CIA said Sunday it was aware of the report but had no immediate comment about the tape’s authenticity.

The tape was aired on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Sunday. The man on the 11-minute tape, wearing a black turban with most of his face covered, calls the attacks of four years ago “blessed events” before making a threat against Los Angeles and Melbourne.

[frictionlessO]

44. Is this the same "terrorist" that many thought looked like Rove about

a year ago?

[pberq]

47. Exactly. I wouldn't trust this "terrorist" given the timing

[leftchick]

2. If I had dentures they would have dropped!

amazing isn't it??

:wow:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. Wow.

I personally never even thot of THAT angle, and I'm amazed he said this in the MSM. Guts. Wonder who will be the first to try and crucify him?

[BrklynLiberal]

4. I do not find that kind of attitude at all surprising on the part of BFEE

The poor black people in N.O. are considered expendible by Bushites.
God forbid that calamity should strike some white upper class enclave and the Feds would not have the facilities to deal with that by having "wasted" them on the people in N.O.!!!!!!!!

[babylonsister]

5. Sounds like a stupid excuse for ineptness to me. nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Oh yes, this certainly was a strategy

I'm amazed he even admitted that much. He couched the reasons for the strategy but he basically admitted that they deliberately withheld resources. This is huge! The rats are start to jump from the sinking ship.

[gkhouston]

46. while it can be difficult to underestimate the impact of incompetence

I can't recall an occasion where I've seen Craig carrying water for blivet**; quite the opposite, if anything. I think he seriously meant what he said. As for me, sometimes I think it was deliberate and sometimes I think it was incompetence coupled with indifference: they simply couldn't be bothered to deal with the problem because a crisis in the deep South threatening a lot of mostly poor, mostly black people simply didn't rank that high. :grr:

[Infomaniac]

6. Sounds like a RW talking point to deflect from

the incompetence. Trust me. This wasn't some strategic exercise. This was plain old incompetence.

[Peace Patriot]

14. Nope, no incompetence was involved. Very skillful design for chaotic

conditions as excuse for Halliburton, Bechtel, Fluor & buds looting of the Gulf coast aid funds, grabbing poor peoples' property, throwing out the riffraff, and creating high security enclave for the rich, near the last oil reserves--much like the permitted and instigated chaos in Iraq. Looting. War profiteering. Disaster profiteering. Bush strongarmed Blanco to get total control, for this purpose. Massive, massive hogfest. Not incompetence, rather, brilliant gangsterism. Very much intended.

[cosmicdot]

16. "efforts to force the Governor to capitulate"

"The Siege of New Orleans"

~snip~

The administration intentionally withheld desperately needed aid to the city to force Governor Kathleen Blanco into surrendering control of the National Guard and local police to federal authority. This explains why neither FEMA, nor Homeland Security nor the Pentagon lifted a finger to help the distraught townspeople for 4 full days. The administration was using vital supplies as bargaining chips to bribe the governor into submission. The goal was to dismantle regional defenses and militarize a major port city; an ambition that persists to this day.

The Katrina disaster provided the cover for the Pentagon to launch military operations against US citizens for the first time in modern history. Their effort was badly bungled, but the attempt is chilling nonetheless.

~snip~
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10182.htm

imo this fits how they operate and think.



"They misunderestimate me."

"I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity."

[Wordie]

19. There does seem to be something very weird about the story about Bush

demanding federal control. I still don't quite see what the true goal is though. I don't get why he would want federal control. Anyone?

[leesa]

37. He gets the oil refineries then. Louisiana controls it now.

He would have also taken away her ability to use her Guard for policing purposes, but I think the main reason was to take over oil production and distribution, the usual thing.

[whatever4]

36. And so it goes, legal atrocities, in our neighborhoods

What gets me is how vulnerable we all are. Tornadoes, earthquakes, so many types of disasters, many of them with no warning possible.

You know, all my life, I feel, like so many people do, when will I "really" grow up. You know? We all still feel like kids sometimes, want to have fun, want to be free to play, stuff like that, never quite feeling like the adults we always envisioned ourselves feeling like...by this advanced age, over 40.

But I have to say, it took watching my nation fall that made me feel like a grown up. I feel all grown up now. Turns out, feeling grown up means feeling helpless, worried and sad. Face reality; there is no hope. All this crap, stuff I've read about since before high school, abuse of governmental powers and cover ups. It's all real. That's what being grownup means now, to face the truth, to face the fact that most of what we grew up believing was lies, and that those we trusted most were our own worst enemies.

No vested interest in our nation. Just fat pocketbooks. Mom was right. Dad was right. Now, I'm right too. It was right to fear the government all along. We never had a chance. With this blindness, we never will.

Yesterday it made me cry, because the people murdering foreign people, ruining our nation, hurting and killing it's poorest people, eroding our rights past recognition...they all look and sound just like us. Our people, some of the worst people in the world. And we all walk around like life is good or something.

Have to be a grownup to walk around, knowing all the while it isn't okay at all. No matter what anyone says. Be adult about it, see the truth. There is no Santa. There are no people in the White House to whom our lives or welfare matter, and that's just all there is to it.

To them, WE are the enemy.

[chelaque liberal]

38. I keep remembering parts of "The Handmaiden's Tale."

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. "What didn't go right?"

Seems like Pinhead** let that cat out of the bag.

[Freedomfried]

43. They want a race war to give them the excuse they need....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4733636&mesg_id=4733636

[Helga Scow Stern]

45. I agree. Profiting from disaster strategy is official, already in place:

There was even a special office created for it a year ago.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein/3

The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
by Naomi Klein

snip>>
On August 5, 2004, the White House created the Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization, headed by former US Ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pascual. Its mandate is to draw up elaborate "post-conflict" plans for up to twenty-five countries that are not, as of yet, in conflict. According to Pascual, it will also be able to coordinate three full-scale reconstruction operations in different countries "at the same time," each lasting "five to seven years."

snip>>
Gone are the days of waiting for wars to break out and then drawing up ad hoc plans to pick up the pieces. In close cooperation with the National Intelligence Council, Pascual's office keeps "high risk" countries on a "watch list" and assembles rapid-response teams ready to engage in prewar planning and to "mobilize and deploy quickly" after a conflict has gone down. The teams are made up of private companies, nongovernmental organizations and members of think tanks--some, Pascual told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in October, will have "pre-completed" contracts to rebuild countries that are not yet broken. Doing this paperwork in advance could "cut off three to six months in your response time."

snip>>
As in other reconstruction sites, from Haiti to Iraq, tsunami relief has little to do with recovering what was lost. Although hotels and industry have already started reconstructing on the coast, in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia and India, governments have passed laws preventing families from rebuilding their oceanfront homes. Hundreds of thousands of people are being forcibly relocated inland, to military style barracks in Aceh and prefab concrete boxes in Thailand. The coast is not being rebuilt as it was--dotted with fishing villages and beaches strewn with handmade nets. Instead, governments, corporations and foreign donors are teaming up to rebuild it as they would like it to be: the beaches as playgrounds for tourists, the oceans as watery mines for corporate fishing fleets, both serviced by privatized airports and highways built on borrowed money.

In January Condoleezza Rice sparked a small controversy by describing the tsunami as "a wonderful opportunity" that "has paid great dividends for us." Many were horrified at the idea of treating a massive human tragedy as a chance to seek advantage. But, if anything, Rice was understating the case. A group calling itself Thailand Tsunami Survivors and Supporters says that for "businessmen-politicians, the tsunami was the answer to their prayers, since it literally wiped these coastal areas clean of the communities which had previously stood in the way of their plans for resorts, hotels, casinos and shrimp farms. To them, all these coastal areas are now open land!"

Disaster, it seems, is the new terra nullius.

END

[Mr Rabble]

50. Agreed. How could it be anything else?

No-one. Not even Bushco, is THIS incompetent.

[CrispyQ]

48. I agree.

Strategy takes brains, planning, forethought, vision. The only planning these guys have done is how to loot the treasury.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. wow, wow, wow................WOW!!! n/t

[dogindia]

8. plus politics of LA from AnnInLa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4739257

[pauldp]

9. saving resources for the next staged terror attack perhaps?

:shrug:

[gumby]

10. Was just going to post.

This is a HUGE admission/speculation on national tv, even if it is cable.

The cat is out of the bag. Looks like the press may not roll over and accept the 'who could have seen it happening?' + 'government agencies couldn't talk to each other' baloney this time.

[notadmblnd]

12. a lot of us here knew it.

it was just too far beyond incompetence for it not to be the plan.

[ispeculate]

13. Oh bullcrap. It was a strategy to turn away food and water

at the NO border?

This might have been a strategy to divide America yet further...along racial lines as well as religious lines, but don't buy into the crap that this was a strategy for anything but greed and political gain.

They wanted martial law...and they thought us whites wouldnt care if it was just about the negroes. They tried to play us like chimp boy was playing his guitar.

Expect more of the same if we let them get away with it.

[notadmblnd]

15. you are right.

they herded the people into the stadium and deprived them of basic human needs to provoke them. They wanted an insurgency! That is why they pushed the looting stories and that is why the military had the war zone mentality! They wanted this to be a big bloody massacre. The good citizens of NO fooled their asses though by not falling into their little trap. And the rest of America didn't buy it either.

[KayLaw]

28. Interesting choice of words

I Googled Patriot Act herd stadiums and found a lot of interesting information. Y'all may want to try it in your spare time.

[notadmblnd]

29. Very interesting articles... look at this one

snip:
Nov. 2001: The Bush administration issues executive orders allowing for the use of special military courts and empowering Atty. General John Ashcroft to detain non-citizens indefinitely. Noted conservative William Safire writes that "a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power." The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MEHPA) is introduced to state governors, allowing for confiscation of real estate and other private property and outlining plans to herd citizens into stadiums. President Bush's first Executive Order effectively repeals access to presidential records.

Dec. 2001: Speaking before the Senate Judiciary Committee, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft says concerns about Constitutional protections "aid terrorists" and "scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty." Lynn Cheney's American Council of Trustees issues a list of 117 anti-American statements, including Rev. Jesse Jackson's observation that the U.S. "build bridges and relationships, not simply bombs and walls." As Howard Zinn explains, "The simple exercise of the First Amendment, of saying that we should be able to criticize our government, is enough to put you on Lynne Cheney's list."

Feb. 2002: Former FEMA deputy director, John Brinkerhoff defends the Pentagon's desire to deploy troops on American streets, arguing that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 has been misinterpreted.

April 2002: It's announced that Northern Command will debut in October to assist in homeland defense. Gen. Ralph Eberhart, the NORAD commander in charge of air defense on Sept. 11, is later named by George W. Bush to serve at its head. Though NORTHCOM's Web site assures that its "operations within the United States are governed by law, including the Posse Comitatus Act," Eberhart admits in an interview that, "We should always be reviewing things like Posse Comitatus and other laws if we think it ties our hands in protecting the American people."

May 31, 2002: A New York Times editorial states that the FBI now has "nearly unbridled power to poke into the affairs of anyone in the United States, even when there is no evidence of illegal activity."

June 2002: Former White House counsel John Dean writes an article asking, "Could terrorism result in a constitutional dictator?" A month later, the Sydney Morning Herald reports that the Bush administration might employ Reagan-era security initiatives, installing "internment camps and martial law in the United States." In Aug., the LA Times reports on Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's "desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be enemy combatants."

July 2002: Peter Kirsanow, a Bush appointee to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, warns....more

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/02/far04005.html

more and more I'm convinced either this was an attempt to implement this policy.

[leveymg]

39. With NOLA, we've certainly moved a long way in that direction.

I'm still not convinced that the response was entirely motivated by this specific sort of strategy to implement martial law on any pretext, but it certainly looks like there is evidence that a coherent policy has been laid down.

[TexanDem]

17. another comment that justifies the "elimination" theory

Saw also a quote - but didn't catch who - said if rebuild NO, would make sure that -- well, paraphrase -- that the slums and poor wouldn't be fitting into the new plan. I think it was some big businessman, but not sure who. Anybody else hear that?

But Craig Crawford is obviously not a big fan of this admin. I've heard him criticize them before, and he is bold in things he says sometimes. This could be extremely explosive!

[OneGrassRoot]

18. Isn't he coming out with a book any day now?

So we could be seeing a lot more of him on other shows.....very cool!

[Redstone]

20. No. That's a too stupid an idea to even be called a theory.

Settle down, folks. Taking this stuff seriously makes us look like whackjobs chasing the latest conspiracy theory.

Redstone

[kestrel91316]

21. IMHO they held back on the relief effort because:

they expected the 100,000 to be gracious and just f---ing DIE. They didn't want to or expect to have to actually provide for the needs of so many survivors.

[loudsue]

23. Very interesting theory. I don't put it past 'em!

:kick:

[Rainscents]

24. I don't trust these fuckers... My gut feeling was same when Feds were

withholding foods and waters to these poor people.

[Skidmore]

25. I think there might be truth to that.

These people are evil and calculating--anything to protect their interests and collect their due.

[texpatriot2004]

26. I heard that I thought Craig was right on target myself. n/t

[texpatriot2004]

30. Strategy for what I wonder? Strategy is a strong word but I think

it's the right one.

[notadmblnd]

31. read through the posts.

theres plenty of evidence, this was intentional.. Plase nominate this thread for greatest page.

[texpatriot2004]

33. Actually, I was being sarcastic I am well aware of that. n/t

[notadmblnd]

32. The Model State Emergency Health

Act with allows the government to close roads, and force entire towns into sports stadiums (funds the federal takeover at state level)

Vast quarantine role advocated for states

In the event of a bio-terrorist attack using a deadly and contagious disease such as smallpox, public health officials want to be able to close roads and airports, herd people into stadiums, and, if necessary, quarantine entire infected cities.

The Model State Emergency Health
Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties in the Name of Homeland Security

What You Need to Know About The Proposed Model State Emergency Health Powers Act in Your State

link http://www.global-conspiracies.com/documents.htm

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. I heard him say this last night, and he seemed a bit upset by this.

I am waiting for the transcripts to "re-hear" it.

[Skwmom]

35. Earlier on someone from the government (I think it was Brown)

said the federal government needed to keep some resources in "reserve." However, after that brief comment I didn't hear it mentioned again.

[cmd]

42. I heard the same comment

It may have been Brown. He was talking about where supplies were deployed and how some had to be held back because there might be another disaster. It floored me.

[Talismom]

40. IMHO it's even more than that. These guys have so many combined

years govt. experience that I just don't believe the ineptness excuse. They manage to accomplish everything they set their sights to--meaning the money just keeps flowing into their accounts! This was a definite plan to 1)empty NO of the "riff-raff", 2)to funnel tax money Haliburton in rebuilding contracts,3)and finally to make big $$$s gentrifying NO.

Nothing these bastards do is a mistake anymore than the plans of any skilled crime syndicate.

As they say on Morning Sedition, "Wake up Sheeple!"

:rant:

[PATRICK]

41. So if Jeb needed hurricane relief they would have stinted?

I think this may be a slightly twisted perspective. they HAD been training primarily for a terrorist attack but it seems the leaner dumber approach would have been as ineffective there as well.

Only with a dirty bomb or airborne diseases you would have no one getting close anyway. they would have a blank check to hang back. The military forces(decontamination teams), not FEMA would have been involved. In MOST cases the FEMA response could be small and get away with it.

Not to be distracted by real life history this WH crew never reassesses or changes its plans. It blunders ahead with impunity and acts as if a) everything is AOK(with us, blame someone else) b) the WH gang now has a mandated opportunity to advance its agenda. It rarely takes into account the PR effect in the short run anymore. It is not an election year and the media will shift back to the line.

Furthermore, I think possibly someone might be floating the old fear tactic again to exonerate or explain Little Nero's callous behavior as cool headed calculation. They only calculate what they can gain from a catastrophe, NOT what can be done to prevent or alleviate it. Not ever.

Everyone else comes to their job to perform the service and deal with the situation or the RW idiots. Bushco lets you waste your time running around with band-aids and buckets. it only has to occupy itself with taking advantage of everything and never getting distracted by duty or service. Thanks to the PR machine and our populace is bound in group mind by the treacherous media and never taking to the streets to find the majority- like them- don't buy the image of everyone buying it.

Evil is not a house divided. It is natural for them to sacrifice NO for ALL of their agenda and concerns. Other communities more red or well bred would be treated differently- maybe. When it dawns on privileged RW people that the top of the pyramid is also deceiving the higher levels and always willing to let anyone hang, Bushco will be taken down by their own kind.

It will not be a victory for democracy if so.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. If that's "strategy", I'd hate to see what actual incompetence looks like.

[applegrove]

51. Well that is the predicted outcome of putting hostile & incompetents

in important positions. What do you think Bolton is up to at the UN?