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Parrothead Terp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:30 PM
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This Discovery 9/11 movie
First let me say that I am not in the LIHOP or the MIHOP camp. I just believe that the administration is so stupid that they did understand what kind of world we were living in.

Anyway, onto this movie. On flight 93 they talk about how the pilots were so amateur and could not fly the plane correctly etc. So I want to know how it is amateurs can take a plane and fly into the pentagon? Every pilot I have ever talked to about it, has always talked about how hard it would be to travel at 500mph at that low altitude and fly it perfectly into the pentagon. I fly little planes, and I can't imagine how hard it would to do that with a single engine at 65mph.

So now they want me to believe that this guy could not keep the plane from nose diving and going way back up etc. This is well before the whole passenger rushing thing. They show him not being able to contol the plane. His altitude was so low.

I just have this feeling that the secret that we are not being told is who really trained these guys to fly. Is it possible that the US in the 80's trained them with our air force? To me it would make sense, because all these guys did in this country was do some simulator time. So if you can fly a jet, you can learn about a new one in a simulator pretty easily.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:35 PM
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1. a quick visit to our 9/11 forum will give you the theory that the pilots
were trained by the Saudi Air Force.

This question would be better posed in there IMO

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125
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Parrothead Terp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:36 PM
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2. will repost there
thanks
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:03 PM
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7. I agree. Very easy to do. all you have to do is aim. You don't have to do
anything else.
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cser Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:40 PM
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3. From what I understand
the terrorists that carried out the 911 plot were in there late 20s and 30s. That would put them as children during the RayGun administration. Sad to say, but 911 was planned during the Clinton administration. Likely, 911 would have happened during the Gore administration if they had counted all the votes in Florida.
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Parrothead Terp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:43 PM
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4. fair enough
I just think it is quite evident that these guys had more training then we were led onto.

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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:54 PM
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5. I disagree. I think it would be easy to do.
The hard parts are 1) getting access to the controls, and 2) getting the nerve to do the deed.

I'm a pilot too. I think, with some lessons and some practice in MS Flight Sim (to identify some good visual references) this is something most people could do, given they can accomplish 1 and 2 above.

Crashing a plane into a target a hundred feet or so wide is easy. Student pilots attempt that every single day. Instructors teach them to avoid the buildings and land on runways instead.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:02 PM
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6. They asked to be trained on how to disengage the computers and
how to fly from there. When they were being taught - they were specifically not asking how to land. They said "we don't want to learn how to land". They didn't land.

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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:03 PM
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8. Speaking of this movie. I have a question.
According to the flight recorders or something, the passengers had to make 2 attempts to break into the cockpit. How did the highjackers get in so easy? Did the pilots let them in after they threatened people? Were the doors open?
Now we know that Shrub got a PDB on Aug. 6th where the intelligence was they were planning on using planes as missles. Could somebody not have warned the pilots to let no one in the cockpits? Did they have no warnings from Shrub or Condi or somebody? Why?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:04 PM
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9. Did you get anything else out of the movie? I missed it. Do tell.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:33 AM
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10. an engine from Flight 93 was found in a lake five miles from . . .
the crash site . . . the "official" story is bullshit . . . the plane exploded (or, more accurately, was exploded) in the air . . .
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