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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:39 PM
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Please post all articles on body counts here.
The government appears to be covering up numerous deaths.
I've previously seen stories on bodies in high schools, hospitals, morgues, etc as well as those who died in the convention center, Superdome, etc. that would total far more than what the government is reporting.

The government miraculously reported a drop in the anticipated body count just when the media was temporarily kicked out. The very same day, a Modesto paper reported that FEMA had ordered 50,000 more body bags delivered to New Orleans -- adding to the 25,000 already there.

I suspect a coverup and hope to do an investigative story.

Please help!

Post all stories on deaths attributed to the hurricane, flooding, starvation etc in the aftermath.

Help keep this kicked and nominated so we can come up with a more accurate body count.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:51 PM
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1. see this thread...it missed 5 votes so needs continuous kick
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:06 PM
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4. Thanks for the nomination. WE need two more.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 11:14 PM by Liberty Belle
Let's keep this up high for all to see; thanks for linking to the older thread as well. Clearly something's fishy. A quick glance shows over 2,000 bodies reported at one morgue and 1,200 at a high school. What happened to all those bodies in the FEMA count so far?
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:14 AM
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17. Wow, just coming up to the latest posts this PM and found this..
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 01:23 AM by preciousdove
Thanks and great job getting on the Greatest page. I just been plugging along the last few days collecting DU threads and some articles in one spot.

It looks to me like they are deliberately not collecting the dead, not counting the bodies and fudging on the numbers they do report.

Private company recovering bodies, DMORT processing bodies, not sure who is identifying bodies yet. Norwegians have volunteered. FEMA says it is MS and LA responsibility for ID.

I will be posting on this thread from now on.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:53 PM
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2. Here are a couple of accounts:
Lee reports on deaths in Jefferson

Friday, 10:05 p.m.

Sheriff Harry Lee said Saturday night that the Jefferson Parish Coroner’s office had processed 152 bodies, but only 20 of those were deaths related to Hurricane Katrina. He said the coroner’s office was picking up bodies that are reported lying in the street and handling them to FEMA’s specifications. He also said that body count does not include bodies that may have been taken to the morgue in St. Gabriel.

<http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09_10.html#078783>

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Body search accelerates as death toll keeps rising

(snip)

The death toll in Louisiana rose to 154 on Saturday. In Mississippi it was 211. In Jefferson parish, in the western part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, the death toll was 20. In St Bernard parish, east of New Orleans, the toll was 62.

<http://smh.com.au/news/world/body-search-accelerates-as-death-toll-keeps-rising/2005/09/11/1126377203656.html?oneclick=true>
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BlueStateBlue Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:59 PM
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3. kick
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:14 PM
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5. Thanks.
This needs 2 more nominations to get on the "Greatest" page, if you'd like to help.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:26 PM
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6. kick
and thanks, now lets disover the sordid details
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:30 PM
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7. I bookmarked this one - morticians told to prepare for up to 40,000 bodies
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4674804
Thread title: Mortitians told to expect 40,000 bodies

This was at a time with the corporate media were doing the "10,000 deaths" echo chamber thing. I think the number is much higher and because of the very long delay and the fact that many bodies were buried in debris or washed away or simply not counted, it will be a challenge to get the truth.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:34 PM
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8. deaths in the aftermath - critically ill patients euthanized rather than
being left to die in agony:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4736809

No numbers are given, but this was definitely in the aftermath. New Orleans was ALLOWED to drown - these people should never have been forced to this.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:36 PM
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9. Kicking for those w/ the scoop.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:37 PM
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10. look here comprehensive thread, same info
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:39 PM
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11. Long after the hurricane, no help arrived for too many people.
This blog by the wonderful Vancouver team who came to a Louisiana town some distance away from New Orleans found people still needing rescue. They did rescue many, but one lady died of dehydration despite their efforts. This was LONG after the hurricane, and FEMA and any other US help were nowhere in sight. When the US authorities did arrive, the Canadians were ordered to leave, despite the close relationship they had developed with the town's grateful residents. Here's the diary of a Vancouver team member:
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/usar/index.htm

And here's a DU thread on it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1763297

Shameful, people without food or water many days after the hurricane. This is another death on Bush's hands, not that he cares.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:47 PM
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12. Kick for the truth.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:29 AM
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13. Info from All-Katrina Thread
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 12:36 AM by snot
I'm glad you're calling attn to this. We have been collecting some info on this in an All Katrino thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805#23233 (PLS READ INSTRUCTIONS at top of thread before you add any info there--we're trying to AVOID adding new "topics").

The info we've got there so far is pasted below:

13. Sept 2: FEMA turns away morticians
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&
Disaster touches area residents
By JILL ZAREND-KUBATKO, Valley Life Editor September 02, 2005

Tom Dudelston, a funeral director with J. Warren Funeral Services in Casa Grande, had hoped to use vacation to help those who could not escape the blighted area. "I'm trying to go," Dudelston said around 1 p.m. Thursday. "But I have hit some complications I had not expected. I was trying to offer my services with some of my skills. It is kind of pending. I was going to do it to help. I am still hoping I can get in there. I won't know until later today. I have talked with an organization here in Arizona that helps in situations like this. I was hoping I could circumvent that and take care of myself and get in there."

By 3:45 p.m. he had the news he didn't want to hear.

"I am not going anywhere, I spoke with D-MORT, a group of funeral directors and embalmers, and I cannot go," he said, his voice filled with disappointment.

The Associated Press displays daily images in newspapers and on Web sites featuring the dead lying on the ground or seated in chairs, with no one to tend to them. "USA Today talks about the body count and the things that are going on since it has been declared a national disaster area," he explained. "They won't let anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am not," he said.325. Sept 10: 50,000 body bags ordered

325. Sept 10: ANOTHER 50,000 body bags ordered
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11196519p-11948351c.h...
Modesto company to deliver more body bags to New Orleans
The government's order for another 50,000 will be filled by about eight firms
By PATRICK GIBLIN
BEE STAFF WRITER

The federal government is trying to purchase an additional 50,000 body bags for use in the Hurricane Katrina cleanup and in Iraq, according to an official for a Modesto manufacturer.
Previously, the Federal Emergency Management Administration purchased 25,000 body bags and shipped them to New Orleans.

"We recently delivered every bag we had in stock, which is about 400," said John Hassapakis, manager of Central Valley Professional Services in Modesto. "Those were sent directly to New Orleans."

This week the government put out a bid for 50,000 more bags, he said.

"They are for backup in Louisiana and for offshore purposes, but it will bemonths before they will be able to getthem," he said. "That's a lot of material."

ATTN KATRINA RESEARCHERS -- http://katrinatimeline.org/research/index.php

365. 9/10 Who collects and counts the dead

(Note: the following strikes me as speculative)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... :
A Stench: Mobile Morgues, Brown, Funeralgate, FEMA - a Cover-up?

I see a travesty taking place, and I need to speak up. FEMA is bringing in a really sleazy outfit to care for, identify and bury Katrina's dead. Worse still, this outfit has big money ties to Bush's Houston buddies, including both the current and previous head of FEMA. And I'm not sure who's in charge, or what their agenda is.

Skip ahead to THE ONGOING SCANDAL below if you want, but please come back and read this too:

Unfortunately, the greater public's attention wanders when we begin talking about dry (!) details like Rove's outing of an operative, but this story has some strong emotional and graphic overtones. I’m using the word SCANDAL intentionally. Still, I want to use it responsibly. Watergate WAS a national scandal. BucshCo’s character assassinations and innuendos are touted as scandals, but they are the tactics of bullies and thugs.

So… I don't want to ignore these facts, just because they seem creepy. They've all been cited in mainstream articles. I would appreciate any corrections or further fact-checking.

Read THE SCANDAL PART 1, then THE ONGOING SCANDAL farther down, and finally THE CHILLER.

I organized this basically in this order: Background on who's in charge of FEMA and where they came from; how they became involved with the mobile morgue people; and what seems to be happening now.

How did Brown get appointed? What's his background?
From Time Magazine:
Before joining FEMA, his only previous stint in emergency management, according to his bio posted on FEMA's website, was "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight." The White House press release from 2001 stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME. "Department heads did not report to him."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003, ...

More damning statements, from a Daily Kos blogger (and remember, this is just a blog, although it’s been widely distributed):
"An unmitigated, total fucking disaster." That's not a quote from Mike Brown, but rather, a quote describing him. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/34622/68348

How did Mike Brown get to FEMA in the first place?
Joseph Allbaugh, Bush's chief of staff when he served as Governor of Texas, brought him along to FEMA with him:

Allbaugh hired Brown after an acrimonious end to a nine-year stint as commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. Former officials say he was forced out; a friend and lawyer of Brown's said he negotiated a settlement after withstanding numerous lawsuits against his enforcement of rules for judges and stewards.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

How did Allbaugh become head of FEMA? Who was he?

FEMA website:
Prior to his appointment, Mr. Allbaugh served as Chief of Staff to then-Governor George W. Bush.
Mr. Allbaugh served as the National Campaign Manager for Bush-Cheney 2000 with responsibility and oversight for all activities related to the Bush election campaign. He had previously served as Campaign Manager for President Bush's first run for Texas governor.
http://www.fema.gov/about/allbaugh/index.shtm

Where is Allbaugh now?
Washington Post:Former FEMA Chief Is at Work on Gulf Coast
After leaving FEMA in March 2003, Allbaugh, who managed the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign, founded Allbaugh Co., a lobbying-consulting firm with many clients in the disaster-relief business.
-snip-
Among those clients are: the KBR division of Haliburton....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

HERE'S THE SCANDAL, PART ONE:

The Austin Chronicle
Funeralgate Hits Texas

What began as a citizen's complaint against SCI in January 1998 has since grown into a scandal revolving around campaign contributions, and the influence they may buy. All of the politicos who intervened on SCI's behalf received major contributions from SCI's political action committee, or PAC. Did that money convince them to help SCI -- the world's largest death care company -- and to punish the agency that investigated SCI?
-snip-

As a major player in the funeral business, SCI is accustomed to doling out cash in the form of perfectly legal campaign contributions. From 1996 through the 1998 election, SCI's PAC contributed about $113,000 to the campaigns of dozens of politicians. Bush received $35,000 from SCI. Cornyn got $2,000. Moreover, there appears to be a connection between SCI's political giving and actions taken by eleced officials.
-snip-

the scandal promises to grow as the lawsuit -- filed by former TFSC director Eliza May -- works through the discovery process. The suit alleges that May was fired because she "repeatedly and in good faith reported violations of the law and conduct that she reasonably believed to constitute violations of the law." As May's suit goes forward, Bush and the other politicos who helped SCI are scrambling for cover. May's lawyers want to depose Bush.

(Poster's note: the whistleblower lawsuit has been dismissed, yet there are claims that Bush perjured himself or obstructed justice. I am not a lawyer and did not include these as I don't know their validity)
-snip-

A few days later, May alleges, she was called into Allbaugh's office where -- with Waltrip sitting in the same room -- Whitmire interrogated her about the TFSC's investigation into SCI and demanded that she answer his questions about the investigation.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/issue45/pol ...

OR google: funeralgate allbaugh bush waltrip TFSC or any combination and get your mind blown, if you don't already know this story - oh, yeah, Atty General Gonzales has been all over trying to get this hushed, google his name in connection, too.

THE ONGOING SCANDAL (COVERUP?)

Here's the part I'm not finding ANYWHERE in the news. I pulled the info together yesterday, emailed the Austin Chronicle and a local politician, and now assembled threads for DU.

Here's the story, links follow with details:

SCI Corporation has a wholly-owned subsidiary, Kenyon International, which has been deployed, with a mobile morgue, to NOLA. I'm having a little trouble getting GREAT definitive answers - imagine that! - but everything I see points to this being the mobile morgue in St Gabriel, where the NOLA bodies are being processed without transparency, without autopsies, behind a Bushco veil of secrecy.

FEMA didn't deploy its own DMORT teams to the St. Gabriel warehouse where the mobile morgue is set up, but outsourced that location’s administration to Kenyon International. That's right, Joe Albaugh and Michael Brown's FEMA selected them, and FEMA is saying there is neither time nor money for autopsies. If autopsies were performed on randomly-selected bodies, a statistician could use the results to extrapolate a great deal of information about the Katrina deaths; specifically:
--numbers killed by drowning and initial trauma of Katrina itself
--numbers killed by dehydration
--numbers killed by gunshot
--time of death
--were people killed by the natural disaster or the failure of the rescue effort?

I believe that most Americans would not want such a sleazy outfit in charge of the remains. And I must ask: why use a Bush crony to handle this?

From what I can see, by searching Louisiana revised code as well as DMORT.org's website, it's up to the local coroner to make final decisions about death certificates and the need to autopsy. How can FEMA usurp this right?

I'd love to see this story get in front of the American public. I think. Then, again, it's pretty sensational. But entrusting Katrina's bodies to a company that is accused of burying bodies in the woods...?

On September 1, Kenyon posted a press release on its website, and was quoted on CNN's website in an article about St. Gabriel's, but the press release and the reference to a Kenyon representative in CNN's story has been pulled from the internet.

Please take the time to check out these links:

How sleazy is SCI/Kenyon?
Houston Business Journal
Houston-based Service Corp. International, the world's largest funeral and cemetery company, on Tuesday said it agreed to pay $65 million to settle a securities class action lawsuit. The suit had been pending against the company and certain of its current and former officers since January 1999. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2004/04/19/d ...

The New York Times
$100 Million Settlement Over Remains
The parent company of two cemeteries has agreed to pay $100 million to families who sued it for mishandling and moving remains. The company, the Service Corporation International of Houston, announced the settlement months after a judge certified a class-action lawsuit by 2,000 families in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. The settlement will also compensate plaintiffs in related suits against the company and its Menorah Gardens cemeteries in Palm Beach and Broward Counties. Abby Goodnough (NYT)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E0DA ...

The New York Times
Funeral Company Accused of Desecration
ABSTRACT - Class-action lawsuit in Florida accuses Service Corp International, largest US funeral company, of desecrating remains in Jewish cemeteries it operates in South Florida; families of deceased charge company with breaking open burial vaults and dumping contents in woods to make room for others.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30612F7 ...

Kenyon is deployed:
PRNewswire
HOUSTON, Sept. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Kenyon International Emergency Services, the world's leading disaster management company, has activated an emergency action team to respond to the needs of Baton Rouge, Louisiana in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina under an agreement with the US Government and the Department of Homeland Security

Kenyon has deployed one of its fully-equipped mobile morgue kits and a 10-member, specially-trained team to provide morgue support to the area. The mobile morgue includes equipment for search and recovery, victim identification, and pathology. It is one of three mobile morgues held worldwide by Kenyon. Earlier this year, Kenyon also deployed a mobile morgue and a large response team for the tsunami efforts in Phuket, Thailand.

Kenyon International Emergency Services is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Houston-based Service Corporation International (NYSE: SCI). Founded in 1929, the company works with more than 200 clients in both the public and private sector, and has responded to more than 300 mass-fatality incidents in its 75 year history.
For more information, call Jay Kirsch at 281-872-6084 or Jerry Hendin at 425-442-5565 or visit the Kenyon website at http://www.kenyoninternational.com .
PR newswire site: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&S ...

The source of the prnewswire above, including the links to Kenyon Internationl, is the Yahoo business site: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050901/dath045.html?.v=16

Houston Chronicle
Morgue set up in St. Gabriel,Team of forensic specialists called in to help identify the dead
Sept. 6, 2005, 12:57AM

ST. GABRIEL, LA. - The bodies have been tied to trees, floating in the toxic muck and decomposing in the blazing Louisiana sun. Now, officials say the victims of Hurricane Katrina being collected this week from the flooded streets of New Orleans and other damaged areas will be handled with delicate care before they are claimed by loved ones.
As officials began the grim task of pulling bodies off the streets and out of homes, a team of forensic specialists at a makeshift morgue in St. Gabriel, a small town between Baton Rouge and New Orleans, prepared to process the bodies.
-snip-
It won't be a traditional operation, where we would do autopsies and things that would take a vast amount of time," Ellis said. "We want to try and do a good job on the post-mortem collection and inspection side so we can give these folks and opportunity to retrieve their loved ones at some future date.

Baton Rouge Advocate
September 4, 2005
Morgue in works in St. Gabriel
Disaster Mortuary Team to identify victims of hurricane

By MARK F. BONNER
mbonner@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

ST. GABRIEL -- In preparation for the bodies that will be removed from New Orleans in the coming days and weeks, a Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team on Saturday was erecting a temporary morgue in a large warehouse next to the St. Gabriel Police Department off of Iberville Street.

Officials on the scene wearing green "DMORT" shirts would not comment on their presence or their construction efforts, but dump trucks were bustling in and out of the work site.

DMORTs are directed by the National Disaster Medical System -- a sector within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Response Division. The teams include funeral directors, medical examiners, coroners, pathologists, forensic anthropologists, medical records technicians and transcribers and fingerprint specialists, according to the National Disaster Medial System Web site.

Don Moreau, the chief of operations for the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner's Office said Saturday he had been in contact with DMORT officials to inquire if they needed support. Moreau said officials told him that DMORT did not need support from him and said they would be processing 60 bodies a day in recognition and identification procedures.

St. Gabriel Police Chief Kevin J. Ambeau Sr. would not comment on the presence of DMORT and directed a reporter to leave the premises.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Saturday that she expects the death toll to reach into the thousands.
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090405/new_morgue001.sh ...

You can read about DMORT here:
Main Site: http://www.dmort.org /
History of DMORT: http://www.dmort.org/DNPages/DMORTHistory.htm

It was the DMORT WMD team that deployed to St Gabriel (which is 15 miles from Baton Rouge)- you read that right - the WMD team, which was used after September 11. I wish I had time to find out when and how Kenyon International came up with the idea of a mobile morgue capable of deployment by FEMA - when buddy Joe Allbaugh took over the agency?

The posting below is from the DMORT website: http://www.dmort4.com /

UPDATE 8/31/2005 FROM COMMANDER HOWELL:

DMORT Region IV has deployed two 3 person teams to assess the situation in Gulfport and Biloxi, MS. The remainder of the region IV team is currently enroute to Hattiesburg, MS and under the command of Paul Taylor. Region I and II has been deployed to Aniston, AL. Region VII is deployed to Baton Rouge, LA. Region VIII has been deployed to Houston, TX. The mobile morgue in Selma, AL has been deployed to Biloxi, MS. The DMORT WMD Team has been deployed to Baton Rouge, LA. No additional resources have been called at this time, but all DMORT Region IV members should be on standby for possible deployment. If you are a DMORT Region IV member and have not already notified DMORT Command Staff of your availability for deployment, please do so via the contact form on this website.

And here's this, which begs the question: If FEMA can deploy DMORT teams directly, without the layer of paying a subcontractor some profit, too, why wouldn't they? But the following post seems to say that Kenyon is competing with the DMORT teams to bring in qualified DMORT techs.

UPDATE 9/7/2005 FROM COMMANDER HOWELL:
Many DMORT Region IV members are also members of Kenyon International Emergency Services, Inc. Due to the scale of this natural disaster, Kenyon International has contracted with FEMA to provide mortuary services. As a result, many DMORT Region IV members have been contacted about possible deployment with Kenyon. Please be aware of the fact that any deployment with Kenyon is NOT a DMORT mission. Those DMORT members who have already confirmed their deployment status with DMORT Command Staff are expected to remain available for deployment, and should expect to be deployed in the near future. DMORT Region IV will not prevent anyone from deployment with Kenyon. However, any DMORT Region IV member who is unavailable for deployment due to a prior obligation or deployment with another agency such as Kenyon may be asked to step down from the Region IV team so that positions can be available for those making the mission of DMORT Region IV a top priority.

And from the same website, it’s apparent that FEMA was in no hurry to deploy all their DMORT teams:

DMORT REGION IV NEWS
UPDATE 8/30/2005 FROM ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER KIM PLUNK:
As of 10am Tuesday morning the deployed DMORT IV team members are still stationed in Anniston, AL. During the night 2 three person assessment teams were sent forward to help in affected areas. Cotton has asked that all members please keep up with latest info. via this website and email. DO NOT CALL COTTON UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. We will give daily updates as long as we have capability to do so.

And I repeat, I don't see anything that deprives the local coroners of the right to determine cause of death, or order/deny an autopsy.
Please see:

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS
MASS FATALITY PLAN
Excerpt: Page 7
The decision to do complete or partial autopsies resides with the Medical Examiner/Coroner authority locally responsible for body processing and death certification. Some reasons for complete autopsies:
- Homicides
- Terrorism
- Indeterminate manner of death
- Flight crews ¡V the same pathologist should do all members
- Unidentified remains
- Federal request
- Local ME/Coroner request

Excerpt: Page 14
The final determination of body or body parts positive identification is the sole responsibility of the local ME/Coroner in which the disaster occurs

Excerpt: Page 15
Death Certificates
A. Issued according to procedures normally in place and as directed by the local ME/Coroner jurisdiction.
B. The administrative or judicial issuance of death certificates in situations in which there is an absence of positive physical forensic scientific identification is a responsibility solely of the local ME/Coroner in conjunction with local legal and public health authorities.
http://www.dmort.org/FilesforDownload/NAMEMFIplan.pdf

AND
from the "Mass Fatality Incidents: A Guide for Human Forensic Identification" June 05 Report by the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice,Office of Justice Programs: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/199758.pdf

Excerpt: Page 57
The DMORT team supports the local medicolegal authority by providing expertise, personnel, supplies, and equipment. The responsibility for assigning the cause and manner of death, signing of death certificates, and death notification remain with the local authority

and

Excerpt - Page 15
If the medical examiner/coroner is not equipped to assume responsibility for managing morgue operations, a Disaster Mortuary sponsible for appointing a forensic pathologist or temporary medical examiner/coroner who is capable of overseeing all morgue operations and administrative functions. The extent and role of a DMORT remains at the discretion of the local medical examiner/coroner.

This same document says:

Excerpt: Page 57
Federal Disaster Declaration. The Federal Response Plan dictates how Federal agencies respond following a disaster. A request for DMORT assistance must be made by a local official through the State emergency management agency, which will then contact the regional office of FEMA. Based on the severity of the disaster, FEMA can ask for a Presidential disaster declaration, allowing the DMORT team to be activated. This process can take from 24 to 48 hours.

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/199758.pdf

In closing, here's

THE CHILLER:

from a DMORT newsletter, referring to the Pennsylvania crash site on 9/11: http://www.dmort.org/DNPages/jan2002newstext.htm

This response marked several firsts, all of note because of their importance for future responses. These included the deployment of the DNA team, the establishment of protocols documenting the operation of each morgue section, responding under a memorandum of understanding with the FBI, the response of the FAC team and the collection of family blood reference samples, the inclusion of a formal triage station as the first morgue station, and the first use of the Kenyon International Services mobile morgue.

and

The FBI was the lead authority in the investigation because of the criminal nature of the crash. Although victim identification responsibilities resided with the local coroner, his capabilities were severely taxed. Attempts to have the site declared a federal disaster through the state proved unsuccessful. The FBI stepped in to establish a memorandum with HHS that allowed DMORT to respond. During the activation, the crash site was under the control of the FBI; the DMORT operation focused on the morgue and the family assistance center.

Sound familiar?

Bolding is mine, but the term "the first use" sent chills through me. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. As a matter of fact, I had these facts assembled yesterday and delayed posting because I needed to ask my spouse and a few good friends, "Am I cracking under the stress/grief/frustration of watching this unfold? Am I getting wacky?" Admittedly, there is an element of the macabre in all this that had me repulsed throughout the research, but still....
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:31 AM
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18. Thank you! This is very helpful.
It would be interested to compare against the number of missing. Anybody have ideas on how to calculate that?

I started by check the Red Cross directory, which as 167,600 names registered--but that may include people who listed themselves in hopes of being "found." Many on the list are likely alive and scattered in various states, but that still seems awfully high compared to the few hundred deaths to which FEMA is fessing up.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:22 AM
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28. I recall dimly -- HELP -- this could be impt.
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 04:23 AM by snot
Someone was working a registry--maybe using the LA phone directory?--I'm sorry I'm so unclear. But there was definitely a post on DU about someone using some kind of list of the living, and trying to use it to account for post-K living and dead.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:47 AM
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14. LA Times: Turning to Grimmest Task
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:03 AM
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15. This DU post mentions bodies to be bulldozed
though anecdotal. For what it's worth: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4737745 :

Blog....Sneaking

(excerpt) Well…. Haliburton has the contract to clean up the city, the developers are salivating at the ‘new’ New Orleans they will build, and the lower ninth and all the dead people in its attics are to be bulldozed so the land can be turned into a barrier reef to protect the city. Ain’t that lovely?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:14 AM
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16. Thanks for watching this. It has really been bugging me. n/t
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:37 AM
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19. great idea to start this thread!
I've been out of my mind :mad: at the prospect they will hush this up!

This has to pushed and pushed and pushed some more!
Press the government agencies to announce the statistics.
Insist journalists investigate and report the truth.
We must be relentless!

How can they hide this from us in America?
:banghead:

Bookmark this page!
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:49 AM
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20. "Somebody can try to cover up a homicide. It happened in 9/11."
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/12615026.htm

Bibb County Deputy Coroners dispatched to help Katrina's Victims
Posted on Sun, Sep. 11, 2005
By Liz Fabian TELEGRAPH STAFF WRITER

...But Hinson and the Mileys realize that just because there is a catastrophe, authorities cannot ignore the need to investigate those deaths.

That means documenting the location of the body, securing and tracking it as if it were evidence of a crime.

"We can't just assume the person drowned or died in the hurricane," Lonnie Miley said. "Somebody can try to cover up a homicide. It happened in 9/11."...

(I think this is wishful thinking on this good man's part )

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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:58 AM
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21. Official Hurricane Katrina death toll passes 400 (Italian source)
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:15 AM
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22. Bernard Par LA; about 60... people died, apart from the 30...at St.Rita's
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/nation/epaper/2005/09/12/m1a_katrina_main_0912.html

Nursing home deaths test parish
By John Lantigua

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Monday, September 12, 2005

...Almost all of the 65,000 to 70,000 residents had evacuated. They have subsequently been kept out by military checkpoints. There is no power or water. At night, abandoned dogs are heard howling...

The sheriff's department and other public employees took refuge in the upper floors of the parish courthouse. From there, deputies subsequently launched rescue parties, first grabbing one drift boat, using it to reach other small boats, and rescuing many people off rooftops.

"We saved a lot of people," said sheriff's Sgt. Raymond Therriot, whose rescue boat at one point stopped running, forcing him to take refuge on a rooftop himself.

Therriot thinks about 60 other people died, apart from the 30 or so at St. Rita's....

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:25 AM
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24. Official links for St. Bernard
5:00 P.M. N.Y. Times Article about Chalmette/St. Bernard
"Maj. Pete Tufaro of the Sheriff's Department said 43 people were found dead in the first day of door-to-door checks."
** "Firefighter Melancon - 'The number of bodies we're finding is unbelievable!'" Sept 4
http://www.st-bernard.la.us/emprep/katrina/eventlog.htm

Parish President Henry “Junior” Rodriguez was interviewed by Eric Paulsen and Sally Ann Roberts today on WWL-TV. Mr. Rodriguez confirmed that the death toll as of today is 67. Sept 7
http://www.st-bernard.la.us/emprep/katrina/releases.htm
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:20 AM
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23. Sunday, the # of confirmed deaths stood at 214 in Mississippi and 197; NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/12/national/nationalspecial/12bodies.html?hp

Identifying Hurricane Dead Poses Unusually Daunting Challenges

By SHAILA DEWAN
Published: September 12, 2005
BATON ROUGE, La., Sept. 11 - Faced with the loss of dental records, the rapid decomposition of bodies in this hot coastal environment and the vast destruction of personal possessions, public health officials face a difficult, if not insurmountable, task in identifying the countless dead from Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, experts say, many of the advances in forensic science developed in the aftermath, exactly four years ago, of the nation's last calamitous loss of life are likely to be of little help in the circumstances of this storm, leaving many officials worrying over how many of the dead will remain nameless, and for how long.

"We're in a whole new realm of experience here," said Ricardo Zuniga, a spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency's mortuary team. "People expect quick answers based on the paradigm they're used to. But this is not TV." ...


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:42 AM
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26. NOLA has breakdown of 197
At least where the bodies are today.

"State officials said that 161 bodies were being stored at a mobile morgue site in St. Gabriel about 20 miles south of Baton Rouge; three were in the St. Charles Parish morgue, 25 were in the Jefferson Parish morgue, five were in the St. Tammany Parish morgue and three were in the Iberia Parish morgue."

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:39 AM
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25. Fewer bodies found than feared in 1st New Orleans sweep (per NODHS)
http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/0910katrina-neworleans10.html

Erin McClam
Associated Press
Sept. 10, 2005 12:00 AM


NEW ORLEANS - Alarming predictions of as many as 10,000 dead in New Orleans may have been greatly exaggerated, with authorities saying Friday that the first street-by-street sweep of the swamped city revealed far fewer corpses than feared.

"Some of the catastrophic deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred," said Col. Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief...

...A dozen boats awaiting calls to retrieve bodies were lined up early Friday on an interstate ramp that was being used as a makeshift boat launch. Soldiers also hauled the last of the bodies out of the convention center, which became an increasingly violent and chaotic place before the evacuees were finally removed a week ago.

Officials could not provide a count of the dead recovered so far. Corpses from New Orleans were taken to a morgue in nearby St. Gabriel, where medical examiners worked to identify the remains....
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:00 AM
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27. They cannot. The worst case estimates were 60,000 casualties
when storm surge arrived with the hurricane. We are way below that already because the flooding was the next day from Lake Ponchartrain.

Houses were not totally destroyed in NO. Just damaged a little. Flood came a day later. Imagine if the hurricane had flattened all the houses and then a 17 foot surge arrived.

Already - the missing are itemized on databases techs & volunteers have been consolidating for the last week.

We will have the final count.

We have no reason to trust this government. All they do is lie. But they cannot in this case. It is not "military" in nature. This isn't "super secret" intel. This is factual information.

Relax.

And may the count be as low as possible.

P.S. Rovbot "Talking Points" are trying to paint us a ghouls. They are so desperate for a scapegoat so that they can bond over with their base.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:15 AM
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32. They can.
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 06:16 AM by lostnfound
This needs to be done separately from DU, but it NEEDS to be done.

Uninsured homes in poor flooded neighborhoods? Inhabitants scattered across the country to locations they did not select? If thousands don't come back to their ramshackle homes, the news reports will say "In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans residents evacuated to cities all over the country, and many have moved on with their lives. Moving out of shelters, they settled into new apartments, new jobs, new lives. Now the government faces a real challenge locating these former NO residents..." and their properties will have been condemned with the owner in absentia.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:51 AM
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29. I also heard a story on NPR or BBC
interviewing a doctor. He was waying that at least half of all total deaths in N.O alone would prove to have been SOLELY from the delay in delivering water, food, and basic care; and that that number (just half) would be 1,000 at the very minimum.

I think I recall a post about this at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805 , but--sorry--not positive.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:52 AM
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30. kicking again nt
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:48 AM
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31. watch for body count spin
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 05:55 AM by radfringe
haven't seen any stories specifically being "spun" - but it's coming

what I expect is for the body count to be "grouped" as in

#dead directly from Hurricane
#dead due to the flooding
and a much lower number #dead due to "other causes**"

**Other causes - in reality it's due to lack of timely assistance/help/response from the bushies, but it will be attributed to pre-existing conditions, old age, accidents and the dead will be blamed for not being adequately prepared with their medications

on edit.....

here's the first of the "spin...."

Lee reports on deaths in Jefferson
Friday, 10:05 p.m.

Sheriff Harry Lee said Saturday night that the Jefferson Parish Coroner’s office had processed 152 bodies, but only 20 of those were deaths related to Hurricane Katrina. He said the coroner’s office was picking up bodies that are reported lying in the street and handling them to FEMA’s specifications. He also said that body count does not include bodies that may have been taken to the morgue in St. Gabriel.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:23 AM
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33. Compendium of local blogs
Perhaps the most worthwhile compendium anywhere on the Internet of the best local blogs as to what is actually going on in New Orleans and Mississippi - http://192.122.183.218/wiki/index.php/Blogs


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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:03 AM
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34. See Buzzsaw's post
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:25 AM
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35. Read this: Why We'll NEVER find out the truth!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:44 PM
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36. 45 Bodies Found at New Orleans Hospital
Sep 12, 3:24 PM EDT

45 Bodies Found at New Orleans Hospital

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Forty-five bodies have been found at a hospital that was abandoned more than a week ago after it was surrounded by floodwaters unleashed by Hurricane Katrina, a state health official said Monday.

The bodies were located Sunday at Memorial Medical Center, said Bob Johannesen, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Hospitals. Johannesen said the bodies were those of patients, but he had no other information.

The Louisiana death toll rose to 279 on Monday, up from 197 on Sunday, Johannesen said.

On Sunday, reporters were kept at a distance from Memorial Medical by law enforcement officers as workers removed bodies from the hospital, situated in the city's Uptown section. The 317-bed hospital, owned by TenetHealthcare Corp., remained closed Monday and was still partially surrounded by floodwaters.



http://ap.wwltv.com/dynamic/stories/K/KATRINA_BODIES?SITE=WWL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=USHEADS.html
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:18 PM
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37. KatrinaBodyCount.com. Want that domain name?
We were talking about it in this thread here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4663468#4663747
and DU member "Shadder" registered it. PM him if you want it.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:43 PM
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38. Photos of the NO dead in Stern magazine. (Article in German)
http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/545655.html?eid=544995&s=0&nv=ex_rt

Sorry. Couldn't find this story in english. Click on the pictures for the images are strong.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:46 PM
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39. Can't find a news article, but picture: 14 dead at Lafon Nursing Home in
New Orleans

A wheelchair sits at the main entrance to the Lafon Nursing Home of the Holy Family in New Orleans on Monday, Sept. 12, 2005, from which flood victim's bodies were removed. The symbols on the wall indicate the date that a specific group of rescue workers searched the building and the number of bodies found at the time. An exact count of bodies has yet to be determined. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

PHOTO shows spraypainted wall: "14 DEAD"

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/ts/080304tropicalweathe/im:/050912/480/lacs10509121902;_ylt=AlDee6YZVVUE9W3I63V77IFsaMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:57 PM
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40. kick n/t
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:05 PM
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41. From St. Bernard Parish
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 10:06 PM by buzzsaw_23
St. Bernard Parish residents overflow the Capitol

9/12/2005, 5:29 p.m. CT
By MELINDA DESLATTE
The Associated Press
 

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Thousands of St. Bernard Parish residents who journeyed to the state Capitol, desperate for information about their homes, received only grim news Monday: Every part of the parish was flooded by Hurricane Katrina. Some homes were coated with oil from a nearby refinery. And one official estimated no one would live in the parish until at least summertime.

<snip>

"When you go back to St. Bernard, the only memories you're going to have is what you left with," Parish President Henry "Junior" Rodriguez told a crowd in the House chamber that lined the walls, filled up the balcony and spilled down the stairs of the building.

State police estimated the crowd reached as many as 5,000 people, who filled hallways of the Capitol, hoping to gather scraps of information about a parish whose devastation was overshadowed by the flooding of New Orleans and the chaos that followed there.

<snip>

Bodies of the dead still were being collected Monday. Sheriff Jack Stephens said the parish death toll stood at 56 but officials knew of at least 10 more locations where they needed to recover bodies. He said the highest risk areas, where water covered the roofs of houses, hadn't been searched yet.

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/weather/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1126564442135951.xml&storylist=hurricane
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:59 PM
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42. And this
As bodies recovered, reporters are told 'no photos, no stories'
- Cecilia M. Vega, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 13, 2005



New Orleans -- A long caravan of white vans led by an Army humvee rolled Monday through New Orleans' Bywater district, a poor, mostly black neighborhood, northeast of the French Quarter.

Recovery team members wearing white protective suits and black boots stopped at houses with spray painted markings on the doors designating there were dead bodies inside.

Outside one house on Kentucky Street, a member of the Army 82nd Airborne Division summoned a reporter and photographer standing nearby and told them that if they took pictures or wrote a story about the body recovery process, he would take away their press credentials and kick them out of the state.

"No photos. No stories," said the man, wearing camouflage fatigues and a red beret.

On Saturday, after being challenged in court by CNN, the Bush administration agreed not to prevent the news media from following the effort to recover the bodies of Hurricane Katrina victims.

But on Monday, in the Bywater district, that assurance wasn't being followed. The 82nd Airborne soldier told reporters the Army had a policy that requires media to be 300 meters -- more than three football fields in length -- away from the scene of body recoveries in New Orleans. If reporters wrote stories or took pictures of body recoveries, they would be reported and face consequences, he said, including a loss of access for up-close coverage of certain military operations

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/13/MNG3HEMQHG1.DTL&type=printable
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:27 PM
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43. KICK
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44. add
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:40 PM
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:49 PM
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46. Over 50 Evacuees Have Died in TX
Over 50 Katrina evacuees have died in TX
Sep 14, 2005, 11:50 AM


HOUSTON (AP) - Medical examiners says at least 53 Hurricane Katrina evacuees from the New Orleans area have died since coming to Texas.

In Harris County, which includes Houston, most of the 35 deaths were from natural causes, including several heart attacks and complications from cancer. Two refugees killed themselves since an estimated 240-thousand Gulf Coast residents fled to Texas because of the August 29th storm.

There was one dead fetus, and ages of the adult dead ranged from 20 to 104. Many were elderly living in hospitals, hospice centers and nursing homes.

A 71-year-old man from New Orleans died inside the mass shelter at the Astrodome, and a 90-year-old woman died in the stadium parking lot.


snip


http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3849680&nav=EyAz...
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