Howard Dean Nails It - Not Racism, But Economic Elitism...

[Peter Frank]

Video: Dean Calls for moral leadership --

(Scroll down & click on the donkey)

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/09/dean-calls-for-moral-leadership/

[madfloridian]

1. I was looking for that portion tonight.

To post in another thread. Thank you.

[Peter Frank]

19. madfloridian -- I Called St. Pete Home for 20 Years...

...If only our federal government had the same Sunshine Law.

[madfloridian]

22. Jeb has been gutting the Sunshine Laws.

I do a lot of genealogical research, and that is how I discovered it really. We began to realize more and more databases were being closed to family research after 9/11.

There has not been a lot of coverage about it. We did a lot of activism about it through our family research communities, but I have not seen too much outrage elsewhere.

Every once in a while our paper carries something about a new database they have restricted. Not much, though.

I am almost afraid to find out just what they now closed. Since the Republicans control everything here, they just do whatever they want.

[Peter Frank]

23. I'm Very Sorry to Hear That...

...I was always proud of the way Florida conducted its business.

I guess the decline of open democracy might be as pervasive as I've feared to believe.

Dean is a refreshing contrast though. He gets it.

[madfloridian]

36. There used to be a great Florida research site, Whose Florida.

But it appears to be down now. I did find a note from the owner, but he just has the 2003, 2004 archives still up.

That is how we kept up with a lot of it, there and through the genealogy forums.

We will only later find out how much damage they have really done.

[catzies]

2. Um, I never gradgidated from college

but isn't "economic elitism" really just a euphemism for class war?

[linazelle]

12. It is but it goes to the heart of the RW who like to call liberals elitist

Kind of a right-back-at-ya for them. I like the wording.

[Peter Frank]

20. It Doesn't Have to Come to That... n/t

[Carolab]

3. Excellent.

Thanks for sharing that. As usual, Dean NAILS IT.

[ClayZ]

4. "Its time for MORAL DICISION MAKING in this country..."

WHOOO HOOOO HOWARD DEAN!

:kick:

Howard speaks for me! Kicked and Nominated!

[Peter Frank]

32. So Much For...

...one party owning "Family values."

Clinton may have covered up his personal screwups; but it's quite another thing to intentionally deceive an entire nation.

Dean has a right to the moral high ground, as long as he holds both Democrat & Republican feet to the fire.

Right now, Republicans dominate all three branches of our government. Who wouldn't want a man like Howard Dean to continue being his outspoken self (except for those who like their thinking done for them)?

True Conservatives are rugged individualists, like Dean.

[thefloyd]

5. I like the way Dean

frames class. Dean should call a spade a spade and just say feudilism

[Peter Frank]

7. Calling a Spade a Spade...

...our government is fast becoming a fascist oligarchy (wrapped in a wafer thin veneer of morally superior nationalism).

[LittleClarkie]

33. Whoa. You might want to rephrase that laddie.

You know... spades... race issues... ahem.

[Tatiana]

6. He totally nailed it.

"Do you agree with the first lady?"

"No. I do not think that this President cares about everyone in America."

"The truth is that Americans have suffered deeply under this President. I think there is an indifference in the Republican party towards people who aren't at the very top of the income level."

IT'S TIME FOR MORAL DECISION-MAKING IN AMERICA.

(I love that!)

[202 456]

8. Okay thats it....

...I give up I think its racism but everytime it happens to be a black victim there is always someone who wants to call it something else... *throws hands up* ...If my own party can't call it what it is, I give up there is no passing with ANYONE from both parties on this matter.

[Tatiana]

9. You know, it's one of those things that is hard to see

unless you are in those shoes.

I watched the movie "Crash" last night and wished everyone in the country could see that movie. It presents racism in a realistic manner, and shows how many of us harbor elements of racism within ourselves without realizing it.

It's very hard for people who are not of color to talk about discrimination against people of color because they haven't been a victim of it. Howard Dean wasn't a black man trying to evacuate on foot out of Orleans and coming face to face with an automatic rifle and police telling him he couldn't take refuge in a neighboring parish. If he had been there, he'd probably be singing a different tune.

So many people are afraid of being accused of "playing the race card."

[Peter Frank]

11. No One's Denying That Racism...

...is not endemic in the Republican power structure; but the problem is far larger than ethnic bias alone.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

13. I know. Dean also said that thing about 'low income housing'

being cleaned up. ALSO, he did mention that issue about Bill Frist and the "Estate Tax"!

[Peter Frank]

17. People Can Say What They Want...

...but Dean went to the heart of the matter.

Bush's financial (if not ideological) base is ...his own words, "...the haves, and the have mores."

Hideously un-American!!!

[madfloridian]

14. He said race, age, and economic factors were involved.

in who survived there. Think about it. Whatever other factors figure in, those 3 do for sure.

[Peter Frank]

15. There's Also the Arrogance and Exclusion...

...that goes with the "good old boy" network.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

10. Dean hit it!!

[DarkTirade]

16. Nice.

If I had enough posts to recommend this thread, I would. :)

[Peter Frank]

18. ...

...bookmark & kick.

[Peter Frank]

21. Kick...

:kick:

[Peter Frank]

24. Kick for Honest Leadership...

:kick:

[Peter Frank]

25. Watch Dean Tell It LikeIt Is...

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/09/dean-calls-for-moral-leadership/
:kick:

[LittleClarkie]

26. But not to long ago he said race played a part

So has he changed that position?

[Peter Frank]

27. Quote Your Source... n/t

[LittleClarkie]

28. There ya go

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9247380/

MIAMI - Race was a factor in the death toll from Hurricane Katrina, Howard Dean told members of the National Baptist Convention of America on Wednesday at the group’s annual meeting.

Dean, chairman of the Democratic Party, made the comments to the Baptists’ Political and Social Justice Commission. The National Baptist Convention, with an estimated 3.5 million members, is one of the largest black religious groups in the country.

“We must ... come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a deadly role in who survived and who did not,” Dean

Dean said Americans have a moral responsibility to not ignore the devastating damage caused by Hurricane Katrina when it struck the Gulf Coast.

[Peter Frank]

29. How Does This Differ From Dean's Own Words...

...in the video I posted?

-- and what I said in post #11:

"No One's Denying That Racism...
...is not endemic in the Republican power structure; but the problem is far larger than ethnic bias alone."

???

[LittleClarkie]

30. I'm at work, and can't watch the video

and post 11 is your opinion, not necessarily Dean's. I was just wondering if he'd changed his mind about the main motivation, racism or economic elitism. I would say that race was more of a factor than economics, considering all the Republicans around me making welfare jokes about the evacuees.

I will try to watch the video when I get home.

[Peter Frank]

31. It's a Video Worth Watching...

...and when you see it, you'll understand my objections to your statements.

I'm not really a Dean fan. But this video made me respect the man's willingness to take the heat for speaking his mind. He's shown the balls to openly say what most professional Democrats skirt around.

...What a breath of fresh air.

[ladylibertee]

34. AMEN. Howard Dean knows what he is talking about

[Peter Frank]

35. More Like -- He's Willing to Talk About the Stuff He Knows... n/t

[Cha]

40. And he knows some damn

good stuff!

Thanks for this..from a Dean fan :D!

[Peter Frank]

41. As I Said Earlier...

...I've never been what you'd call a Dean fan; but with all the rampant and destructive subtrifuge going on in D.C. -- he'semerged as one handful of prominent leaders who face this head on, and expose it for what it is ...without blinking.

I like Biden for the same reason.

[jsamuel]

37. Dean takes a position to the RIGHT OF BUSH!

Bush just said racism caused it...

[Peter Frank]

39. I Suggest You Revisit:

...post #11-- (No One's Denying That Racism...
...is not endemic in the Republican power structure; but the problem is far larger than ethnic bias alone.

...and #26 through #30.

[Fozzledick]

38. Is there anything bush* wouldn't do to keep black people from voting?

THAT'S the rhetorical question that needs to be asked!

[Peter Frank]

42. Not True. He Didn't Try to Stop Clarance Thomas ;-) n/t