Clarification please: joke or news re levee explosives?

[wiggs]

Heard on the news segment between Stephanie Miller and Al Franken that explosive residue has been found at one of the levee breech sites and that testing has already determined that it's of high military grade.

Sounded like news but I have not seen or heard of it anywhere else, including DU, so I am suspicious....

Thanks

[HEAVYHEART]

1. I'd love to know too

Kick!!

[ohio_liberal]

2. Me too!

Wow, I've been away from TV, radio, and internet for a day and a half and I've not heard anything about this.

[Southsideirish]

3. Maybe the rumors are true....

[Land Shark]

25. Explosive on Louisiana levees is most certainly true HISTORY; See

See
http://www.salon.com/april97/columnists/carville970407.html
(review of book of history written in 1997)

Also true is the practice of locals patrolling during floods, sometimes shooting on sight those who might be a threat to their levees.

It seems that, consistent with floodwaters being known as the "common enemy", there's a huge incentive to blow levees to save one area from flooding, at the expense of another, or for other motives.

[The Magistrate]

4. It Is A Fantasy, Sir

It is being circulated on some ultra-right hate sites, and seems to have originated oin those fevered swamps....

[slaveplanet]

18. Is ABC

an ultra right hate sight?

One mr Davis Muir (abc news) the one who presented the WITNESS account of one Mr Joe Edwards.

What about ABC's Nightly news interview with one mr Keith Anderson?
Is that Ultra right wing too?
Please qualify your statemant that these are Ultra right sources



On the ABC nightly news this evening they had an
interview with a guy from the 9th ward of New Orleans. He had a semi cab, no trailer
and when the hurricane was winding down he was out inspecting and heard a loud
explosion and saw water pouring through the levee down the street from his house. He
grabbed as many friends as he could and they hauled butt up on a bridge that spans
the canal the levee was holding back. During the interview they were looking down on
the 9th ward from the bridge and you could see...

[The Magistrate]

22. That, Sir, Is Merely Unreliable

The rupture would have made a loud and shocking noise, that in the startlement and confusion of the moment could well have struck someone as "an explosion". Reports like this are very common: people call police over gunb-sjoys that are anuything from fire-crackers to a car driving over a steel plate shielding a stage of re-paving work. That last, in my own experience, sounds devilishly like a hand-gun let off nearby.

The report of explosives residue founbd, etc., originayes as described above.

[slaveplanet]

23. So then we are to believe

That an inner city truck driver is so green that he cannot distinguish
the report from a glock vs the report from an M-80 vs the report from an explosion significant enough to destroy a 2 ft. thick concrete wall?

thanks for clearing it all up

[The Magistrate]

24. You Know, Sir

That is not what was said. An explosion is something of a very different order than a gunshot, and the sudden rupture of two feet of reinforced concrete of a very different order than that: it is a sound it is safe to say almost no one has ever heard before. An isolated statement like this falls so far short of proof that what some desire to be true is an actual fact that it is not really worth further engagement.

[woo me with science]

5. conspiracy theory

They all come out after a rain.

[libertypirate]

27. Do you even know what that means?

Because I am a conspiracy theorist aren't you?

If you aren't then how did 9/11 happen. More than one person conspires to accomplish a crime, makes it a conspiracy.

A theory only exists because the proof is unseen or refused.

[The Magistrate]

29. Actually, Sir

A theory is a framework for organizing facts in relation to one another. One theory is prefered over another because it does this in a way that proves to have predictive value, or because it fits well with other accepted theories in similar matters, or because it is a more efficient form of organization than another.

It is always an error to begin with a "theory" and hunt up "facts" that will support it. It is also necessary to examine the actual existance of facts cited in "support" of a theory, to determine whether they are reliable enough to be fit for incorporating into a framework of organization. In a great many instances, what are claimed to be facts are not actually facts, but anything from mistakes in perception to outright speculations and even fabrications.

[libertypirate]

30. Welcome to reality "determine whether they are reliable enough"

Your words themselves define the actual issue. The issue isn't with a theory the issue is the lack of clarity about the details. Clarity and reliability are enforced by the networking of information over many stories. Only specific publications are determined to be "official" or "reliable" and they all are protected by their corporate seals.

Facts in publications that are excluded from the list of reliable are consistently labeled a nutty theory. Does ignorance aid in justice or aid the un-just?

[The Magistrate]

31. The Unreliable, Sir

Are unreliable: it is not a tautology but a conclusion from long examination. Persons who wish to consider the delusions of racists and reactionaries and various self-promotors reliable are free to do so, but they cannot expect anyone else to share their tastes, nor can they impose on other people to further their circulation to a wider audience.

"It ain't what you don't know, it's what you know that ain't so."

[libertypirate]

34. The audience and a persons personal bent is not my doing so why

should I use them to limit my own perception.

Personally I would rather the source be something else, but I am an idiot to turn off the weirdo types for the suit types.

"delusions of racists and reactionaries and various self-promoters reliable are free to do so, but they cannot expect anyone else to share their tastes, nor can they impose on other people to further their circulation to a wider audience."

Sounds like you are talking about fucktard followers; isn't that what they have done forced their perception of the world upon us?

If the voting system is as "fixed" as I theorize or believe it to be, it doesn't matter because as you stated above we are all beholden to credibility imposed by systematic repression. The system will assimilate as a function of credibility the anointment of credibility to those it accepts. In a nutshell credibility is control it is prescribed to others by those that already have some credibility. I find this very un-American to believe that credibility doesn't exist in truth/fact but rather in the perception that one who tells the story is credible.

I want to be clear a belief is a perception of reality minus the facts that can prove it true or false. Similar to a theory lacking evidence that it is true or false is the belief that it is one way or the other. In essence you can believe you know something false and just as easily believe something true that is not.

Thank you, Sir... Formality is lost in our world of desperation!

[Roland99]

6. BULLSH*T

[electropop]

7. Somebody posted on that here.

Supposedly the poster had a friend who was a Navy diver, working on the levee. According to the post, this diver noticed burn marks on rubble, slipped a piece in his pocket, and sent it secretly to a buddy at a military lab, who found 2 types of high-grade explosive on it. I can't vouch for it any more than to repeat it.

[wiggs]

10. That's what I heard. Glad to hear it's not likely. nt

[Silverhair]

35. Let's see now...An internet poster (anonymous) has a friend

(anonymous) who had a friend in a lab (anamouns)... And we are expected to believe a CT based on that?

[CanOfWhoopAss]

8. I've heard but haven't found anything that substantiates it yet...

I know the levees were strategically blown in the 20s (1927?) to redirect flooding from affluent areas of NOLA to less desirable areas.

It's rumored to have occured again. If I find any links I'll post them.

[woo me with science]

9. A thread on this was already removed.

C'mon people...This is why I invest in Reynolds Wrap.

[Land Shark]

26. So interesting that simple uncontested HISTORY is removed, based

apparently only on its ability to create an inference that PERHAPS it happened again, consistent with Bush's later attempt to distinguish his comment about no one expecting "breach" of the levees as meaning a "hole" in the levees, as opposed to swamping or overtopping the levees.

Here's the link, yet again to the HISTORY, written by James CArville in a review of a book of history in 1997. Let's hope mere HISTORY is not censored.

http://www.salon.com/april97/columnists/carville970407.html

Now, no investigator approaches a case like a few posters above who ALREADY KNOW SIMPLY BASED ON THE TYPE OF IDEA BEING POSITED what the truth is. Let's have a real investigation, not rule things out based on media reports or uncertainty about how much sound was created.

[Name removed]

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[jsamuel]

11. did they actually repeat this on AAR?

[wiggs]

13. They did but I did not hear the preamble

Perhaps they qualified this beforehand as rumour or debunked story...don't know. But they did tell the story.

[truedelphi]

12. A friend in Missouri states that he saw a TV news reporter

Interviewing someone in New Orleans. This was on the Monday when the levee first went down. (Aug 28th I believe)

That someone was stating that he had heard an eplosion at the levee.

the reporter took this seriously, but it was one of those TV clips, that are so informative, and then are never seen or refered to again. (Not even to say "Ah, no one else heard an explosion. Or the person we interviewed says he was mistaken." Etc.)

No update ever.

[mike_c]

14. that's a mangled version of a real occurrance....

What they actually found was debris from a Boeing 747 all over the breach site, but NO ONE ACTUALLY SAW THE AIRPLANE IN FLIGHT and the initial penetration zone appears to be more consistent with a cruise missle strike.

I'm withholding judgement and keeping an open mind until more information is available.

[jsamuel]

15. um, that sounds like the Pentagon... not the levees

[mike_c]

16. ya think...?

Only the driest witticisms are served here, always shaken, never stirred.

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[slaveplanet]

20. Now that's an Ultra right hate sight

But the ABC report is real ... I saw it when it ran

[mike_c]

21. new tombstones sprouting like mushrooms around here these days....

:rofl:

[libertypirate]

32. Mail&Guardian --> Explosions rock flooded New Orleans

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=249856#


Massive explosions rocked the New Orleans riverfront a few kilometres south of the French Quarter before dawn on Friday.

At about 4.35am, the huge blasts jolted the residents of this hurricane-devastated city awake. The extent of any possible damage was not immediately known.

An initial explosion sent flames of red and orange shooting into the sky. A series of smaller blasts followed, and then acrid, black smoke could be seen even in the dark. The vibrations were felt all the way downtown.

[TNOE]

33. I've read those reports too

with this criminal bunch - anything is possible and not to be ruled out without a complete investigation - yeah, like that is going to happen.

[applegrove]

36. Psy - ops. They are desperate to divide us into chunks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. All too familiar RW tactic

Something similar happened to me about a year ago on a RW dominated discussion board. A RWer made something up he supposedly had heard on AAR and got everyone all excited about it. Those of us who listened to AAR knew it was bs and challenged the RWer who posted it. But we were called liars. Many of the rabid RWers on that board used this incident to repeatedly attempt to discredit the AAR listeners on that board. I ended up leaving that discussion board over this nonsense.

So yes, trust me, be suspicious.

[wiggs]

38. Hope you do your homework

For everyone's benefit, I hope you do your homework on this morning's AAR and on any poster you suspect before you call anything a RW tactic or tell others to be suspicious....

....thanks in advance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. Just sharing my experience

helping others do THEIR homework :)